Zimmerman Trial

[houndawg]

If it happened like a proven liar said it happened. Why does an innocent man lie when he doesn't need to lie?

Who is going to say it didn't happen like that? Trayvon, the thug wannabe with a record of disciplinary problems? You must convict when you have no doubt in your mind. This case was full of doubt from day one and the Prosecution never proved it.

I didn't say the jury didn't get the verdict right based on the evidence. I'm just saying that Zimm got away with achieving his heart's desire. Better a guilty man go free than an innocent one be convicted, but I think I'd hang on to that Kevlar vest for a while until I made it up to northern Idaho, though....

[Chizzang]

Who is going to say it didn't happen like that? Trayvon, the thug wannabe with a record of disciplinary problems? You must convict when you have no doubt in your mind. This case was full of doubt from day one and the Prosecution never proved it.

I didn't say the jury didn't get the verdict right based on the evidence. I'm just saying that Zimm got away with achieving his heart's desire. Better a guilty man go free than an innocent one be convicted, but I think I'd hang on to that Kevlar vest for a while until I made it up to northern Idaho, though....

This is kind of the "lost point" of the whole thing...
Nothing was more joyous and fulfilling for Zimm than the prospects of offing some punk

it's a win / win
He gets to legally fulfill his dream and one less punk walks the street


(did I just say that)

[houndawg]

I didn't say the jury didn't get the verdict right based on the evidence. I'm just saying that Zimm got away with achieving his heart's desire. Better a guilty man go free than an innocent one be convicted, but I think I'd hang on to that Kevlar vest for a while until I made it up to northern Idaho, though....

This is kind of the "lost point" of the whole thing...
Nothing was more joyous and fulfilling for Zimm than the prospects of offing some punk

it's a win / win
He gets to legally fulfill his dream and one less punk walks the street


(did I just say that)

And two of the lies he got caught in pointed toward premeditation. He was living for the day he could be Clint Eastwood and show those cops who rejected him that he was the real deal.

[Baldy]

This is kind of the "lost point" of the whole thing...
Nothing was more joyous and fulfilling for Zimm than the prospects of offing some punk

it's a win / win
He gets to legally fulfill his dream and one less punk walks the street


(did I just say that)

And two of the lies he got caught in pointed toward premeditation. He was living for the day he could be Clint Eastwood and show those cops who rejected him that he was the real deal.

So, Zimm called the cops and described the guy he was gong to kill just mere minutes before he killed said guy.......

Makes sense to me.

[Chizzang]

And two of the lies he got caught in pointed toward premeditation. He was living for the day he could be Clint Eastwood and show those cops who rejected him that he was the real deal.

So, Zimm called the cops and described the guy he was gong to kill just mere minutes before he killed said guy.......

Makes sense to me.

Well if he hadn't called the cops he'd likely be in jail right now...
It's not a bad idea

I'll tell you what though...
People following people in the state of Florida better be prepared for a full on Gun Fight now
because the Florida courts have just set a Legal Precedent

[Baldy]

So, Zimm called the cops and described the guy he was gong to kill just mere minutes before he killed said guy.......

Makes sense to me.

Well if he hadn't called the cops he'd likely be in jail right now...
It's not a bad idea

I'll tell you what though...
People following people in the state of Florida better be prepared for a full on Gun Fight now
because the Florida courts have just set a Legal Precedent

Actually it's a horrible idea.
All he would have to do is not call the police and just say that he was walking around the neighborhood got jumped by the guy and was getting mugged.
That's probably more believable than what actually happened.

[Baldy]

The moral of this story is: Kill the evidence and you can use "stand your ground"



The Black Community now has historical case precedence
If somebody tracks you: Kill them and use "stand your ground" / Case closed

In her case, she couldn't use "Stand Your Ground" because she kept going back to the guy time and time and time again. PLUS....being arrested multiple times for domestic violence herself didn't help her case at all.

.....and for the umteenth time. Zimmy didn't use "Stand Your Ground" in his defense, so your point is moot.

[Chizzang]

The moral of this story is: Kill the evidence and you can use "stand your ground"



The Black Community now has historical case precedence
If somebody tracks you: Kill them and use "stand your ground" / Case closed

In her case, she couldn't use "Stand Your Ground" because she kept going back to the guy time and time and time again. PLUS....being arrested multiple times for domestic violence herself didn't help her case at all.

.....and for the umteenth time. Zimmy didn't use "Stand Your Ground" in his defense, so your point is moot.

How is my point moot...?
Did the state of Florida not just set a legal precedent..?

[DSUrocks07]

Point needs to be made again here...

- TMart walks home...none of this happens.

- TMart calls police instead of his buddy, Zimmerman gets charged with stalking and intimidation.

Fact is that although Zimmerman followed him, TMart escalated the situation by initiating the confrontation.

[DSUrocks07]

In her case, she couldn't use "Stand Your Ground" because she kept going back to the guy time and time and time again. PLUS....being arrested multiple times for domestic violence herself didn't help her case at all.

.....and for the umteenth time. Zimmy didn't use "Stand Your Ground" in his defense, so your point is moot.

How is my point moot...?
Did the state of Florida not just set a legal precedent..?

That you have a reasonable right to defend yourself when you are in a physical altercation and feared for your life? Absolutely they did.

People keep acting like Zim ran up to Martin and shot him in the back.

[DSUrocks07]

Somebody explain this...
a) Same State
b) Same law

(CBS News) JACKSONVILLE, Fla. - A Florida woman who fired warning shots against her abusive husband has been sentenced to 20 years in prison.

Marissa Alexander of Jacksonville had said the state's "Stand Your Ground" law should apply to her because she was defending herself against her allegedly abusive husband when she fired warning shots inside her home

She walked out of the house after a verbal argument, went into her car and returned to the house, at no point calling 911 in-between, and then aimed her loaded gun in the direction of her husband AND two children before firing "warning" shots.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/89763383/Stat ... r-Immunity" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

^this

SYG and any self-defense law states that if you find yourself in a situation where you fear for your life you have the right to defend yourself. If you find yourself in a situation, leave to where you are safe and then return to it WITH a weapon, self defense doesn't apply and it then falls under pre-meditation.

I wish all of these "legal scholars" actually knew what the hell they were talking about.

[Chizzang]

How is my point moot...?
Did the state of Florida not just set a legal precedent..?

That you have a reasonable right to defend yourself when you are in a physical altercation and feared for your life? Absolutely they did.

People keep acting like Zim ran up to Martin and shot him in the back.

No... I'm not acting like Zimm shot anybody in the back
But Florida set a precedent / Mark my words / They set a precedent
And nobody's going to like where it goes from here

The knife cuts both ways

[Ibanez]

Trip, Chizzy left out those details for a reason.

No... The details are just as sh!tty as the Zimmerman details
But she did nothing even close to killing somebody
and got 20 years (right?)

20 years vs. Zero is a HUGE difference

If she were smart she would have just killed him and told any story she wanted... (and walked)
The moral of this story is: Kill the evidence and you can use "stand your ground"



The Black Community now has historical case precedence
If somebody tracks you: Kill them and use "stand your ground" / Case closed

I had a uber long, JSO-esque post typed but I said 'fuck it" and deleted it. Facts (or the lack thereof) are facts and some people will ignore them. As with a religious or political discussion, most people are more EMOTIONAL and less INTELLIGENT on the topic. Emotional people cannot be reasoned with. Emotional people will ignore anything, facts be damned, if it doesn't support their belief or opinion.

[JohnStOnge]

Watching CNN. Would people PLEASE stop referring to Martin as a "child." First of all, a 17 year old is not a "child" even in a general sense. A 17 year old is a "teen." Secondly, Martin was not small and he was an athlete. In all likelihood he was physically superior to Zimmerman.

[Chizzang]

No... The details are just as sh!tty as the Zimmerman details
But she did nothing even close to killing somebody
and got 20 years (right?)

20 years vs. Zero is a HUGE difference

If she were smart she would have just killed him and told any story she wanted... (and walked)
The moral of this story is: Kill the evidence and you can use "stand your ground"



The Black Community now has historical case precedence
If somebody tracks you: Kill them and use "stand your ground" / Case closed

I had a uber long, JSO-esque post typed but I said 'fuck it" and deleted it. Facts (or the lack thereof) are facts and some people will ignore them. As with a religious or political discussion, most people are more EMOTIONAL and less INTELLIGENT on the topic. Emotional people cannot be reasoned with. Emotional people will ignore anything, facts be damned, if it doesn't support their belief or opinion.

So you think people are not going to respond emotionally to this..?
and you think this case isn't going to have some strange consequences..?

An entire community of people are going to come to a completely different conclusion than you came to and they very well might respond in a way you find "unintelligent"



I'm playing devils advocate sure... but play this out in your head a little

[TheDancinMonarch]

Watching CNN. Would people PLEASE stop referring to Martin as a "child." .

Hey! Up to 26 years olds on their parents insurance as children. It's a new world.

[DSUrocks07]

Meanwhile in New Orleans, the world keeps on spinning.

http://www.nola.com/crime/index.ssf/201 ... urday.html

Just another day in the hood, and the world stays silent.

[Chizzang]

Watching CNN. Would people PLEASE stop referring to Martin as a "child." .

Hey! Up to 26 years olds on their parents insurance as children. It's a new world.

WTF..!!! (really)


sad yet also somehow funny

[YoUDeeMan]

And the SYG law was not invoked by the defense...not ONE. mention of it inside the trial...

Just the liberal media and their patsies, trying to toss out a straw man argument...

Duck and weave...duck and weave...

No... The details are just as sh!tty as the Zimmerman details
But she did nothing even close to killing somebody
and got 20 years (right?)

20 years vs. Zero is a HUGE difference

If she were smart she would have just killed him and told any story she wanted... (and walked)
The moral of this story is: Kill the evidence and you can use "stand your ground"



The Black Community now has historical case precedence
If somebody tracks you: Kill them and use "stand your ground" / Case closed

Why bother with, "if somebody tracks you?"

You seem to be stuck on that...when it had nothing to do with the trial.

Geez, chizz, you are not on your game tonight. WTF are you drinking?

[YoUDeeMan]

Point needs to be made again here...

- TMart walks home...none of this happens.

- TMart calls police instead of his buddy, Zimmerman gets charged with stalking and intimidation.

Fact is that although Zimmerman followed him, TMart escalated the situation by initiating the confrontation.

DSU, you are a sell-out!

houndawg is welcome in the hood more than you (ignore the fact that dawg is probably a better customer for the drug dealers).

[Chizzang]

No... The details are just as sh!tty as the Zimmerman details
But she did nothing even close to killing somebody
and got 20 years (right?)

20 years vs. Zero is a HUGE difference

If she were smart she would have just killed him and told any story she wanted... (and walked)
The moral of this story is: Kill the evidence and you can use "stand your ground"



The Black Community now has historical case precedence
If somebody tracks you: Kill them and use "stand your ground" / Case closed

Why bother with, "if somebody tracks you?"

You seem to be stuck on that...when it had nothing to do with the trial.

Geez, chizz, you are not on your game tonight. WTF are you drinking?

The point I'm trying (poorly) to make is...
This Zimm case will come up again and again and nobody's going to like that
especially when it's the Neighborhood watch guy who gets capped

Drinking..? I haven't had a drink in years (literally like 5) it's nice -

[Baldy]

In her case, she couldn't use "Stand Your Ground" because she kept going back to the guy time and time and time again. PLUS....being arrested multiple times for domestic violence herself didn't help her case at all.

.....and for the umteenth time. Zimmy didn't use "Stand Your Ground" in his defense, so your point is moot.

How is my point moot...?
Did the state of Florida not just set a legal precedent..?

People have killed in the name of self defense for untold years now. How is this some sort of legal precedent?

[Chizzang]

How is my point moot...?
Did the state of Florida not just set a legal precedent..?

People have killed in the name of self defense for untold years now. How is this some sort of legal precedent?

Guy armed with a gun
following an unarmed 17 year old
Guys kills unarmed 17 year old who commenced to beating his ass

That's unique to say the least
Getting your ass kicked by a 170 pound teenager is grounds to kill him..?

Nice...

I'm open to the idea that good may come of this case
Generally speaking we need to take back the night from criminals and this case takes steps in that direction
but it's still an odd ruling
and will have consequences

[BDKJMU]

And the SYG law was not invoked by the defense...not ONE. mention of it inside the trial...

Just the liberal media and their patsies, trying to toss out a straw man argument...

Duck and weave...duck and weave...

No... The details are just as sh!tty as the Zimmerman details
But she did nothing even close to killing somebody
and got 20 years (right?)

20 years vs. Zero is a HUGE difference

If she were smart she would have just killed him and told any story she wanted... (and walked)
The moral of this story is: Kill the evidence and you can use "stand your ground"



The Black Community now has historical case precedence
If somebody tracks you: Kill them and use "stand your ground" / Case closed

God you are thick. As the Col already pointed out, "stand your ground" WAS NOT USED by the Zimmerman defense. Never mentioned once. It has zero to do with the Zimmerman case. There is no as you put it "The moral of this story is: Kill the evidence and you can use "stand your ground"". The Zimmerman case changes nothing in regard to FL's stand your ground.

[YoUDeeMan]

Guy armed with a gun
following an unarmed 17 year old
Guys kills unarmed 17 year old who commenced to beating his ass

That's unique to say the least
Getting your ass kicked by a 170 pound teenager is grounds to kill him..?

Nice...

Chiz, when I was 17, I would have kicked my own ass after I turned 30 (and I was in great shape at 30...and at 17). I could have easily beaten someone to death. Once a fight started (I never started the physical confrontation), I did not stop until the person was physically disabled.

A teenage mind, especially an angry one...is not a pretty thing. Consequences are not always clear...or cared about.