There wouldn't have been a story if Trayvon didn't take a little bud to school and get suspended for it.houndawg wrote:Dildobie.Gil Dobie wrote:
Attila the Hundog rule #1, guilty until proven innocent.
If he did like he was advised and didn't follow the kid, (and then lie about it), there is no story.
At this point a trial said that was not true, but I'm not sure the court system is as smart as the liberal media lynch mob.dbackjon wrote:As opposed to Zimmerman, who was judge, jury and executioner of a boy walking home from the store.Gil Dobie wrote:
Only the people involved(Martin & Zimmerman), and the Liberal media and it's sheeple know what happened for sure. Vengence is mine sayeth the Hundog.
It's a travesty that Trayvon lost his life, and it would be a bigger travesty if the liberal lynch mob was the judge, jury and executioner of a human being who made a terrible mistake.
got it.
Both people had rights, and both made mistakes with a terrible result.houndawg wrote:Right. But the kid didn't have a right to stand his ground.Gil Dobie wrote:
Did you read the part where I stated he made a terrible mistake? Not falling for your spiral gyro.
So if you get killed while standing your ground, too bad?Gil Dobie wrote:Both people had rights, and both made mistakes with a terrible result.houndawg wrote:
Right. But the kid didn't have a right to stand his ground.
As I stated, it was a terrible result if both were standing their ground.houndawg wrote:So if you get killed while standing your ground, too bad?Gil Dobie wrote:
Both people had rights, and both made mistakes with a terrible result.
Gil Dobie wrote:As I stated, it was a terrible result if both were standing their ground.houndawg wrote:
So if you get killed while standing your ground, too bad?
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/ ... 4-06-36-06" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;Protesters angered by the acquittal of George Zimmerman held largely peaceful demonstrations in three California cities, but broke windows and started small street fires Oakland, police said.
dbackjon wrote: As opposed to Zimmerman, who was judge, jury and executioner of a boy walking home from the store.
got it.
DSUrocks07 wrote:Funny how this warrants hours upon hours of constant national media coverage, but no word about any of this?
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nationa ... -1.1033062
http://www.wbaltv.com/news/maryland/bal ... index.html
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/1 ... 74015.html
http://www.cnn.com/2013/03/22/us/georgia-baby-killed
Guess they don't "move the meter" enough...
No, don't jump somebody...oops "stand your ground" armed with only Skittles and Arizona Iced Tea.houndawg wrote:So if you get killed while standing your ground, too bad?Gil Dobie wrote:
Both people had rights, and both made mistakes with a terrible result.
It really is better to be black in America than white. Truly it is. Blacks may feel victimized, but whites are disenfranchised by the law due to people like Sharpton. I can't defend myself against a black or Hispanic mugger without being called a racists. It is MY fault that he has to mug me. I made him mug me by being white. You think DWB (driving while black) is bad try LWW (living while white.)ALPHAGRIZ1 wrote:Blacks are always the victim.............of themselves
A heartless mugger robbed an elderly blind man twice in his Queensbridge Houses apartment within two weeks — and the most recent of the vicious home invasion attacks left the victim unconscious, police said.
I'm sure this would be right up his alley then...Ibanez wrote:DSUrocks07 wrote:Funny how this warrants hours upon hours of constant national media coverage, but no word about any of this?
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nationa ... -1.1033062
http://www.wbaltv.com/news/maryland/bal ... index.html
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/1 ... 74015.html
http://www.cnn.com/2013/03/22/us/georgia-baby-killed
Guess they don't "move the meter" enough...
Al Sharpton doesn't see those as racially charged enough. Sharpton is in the business of continuing the notion that blacks are always the victim, that way he stays relevant.
A Suffolk County jury on Saturday night found a black man guilty of manslaughter for shooting of an unarmed white teenager outside the man’s house last year, ending a racially charged trial.
Gordon M. Grant for The New York Times
John White after he was convicted on Saturday night.
The jury began deliberating on Wednesday, and on Friday indicated that it was deadlocked and racked with discord. But late Saturday night, it delivered its verdict: The man, John H. White, 54, was guilty of the second-degree manslaughter charge that prosecutors had sought, and of criminal possession of a weapon. Mr. White was allowed to remain free until sentencing, when he will face a maximum term of 5 to 15 years in prison.
Mr. White was convicted of shooting Daniel Cicciaro, 17, point-blank in the face on Aug. 9, 2006. Daniel and several friends had left a party and showed up Mr. White’s house just after 11 p.m. to challenge his son Aaron, then 19, to a fight, and had used threats, profanities and racial epithets. Mr. White awoke and grabbed a loaded Beretta pistol he kept in the garage of his house in Miller Place, a predominantly white hamlet on Long Island.
“We are elated and relieved and feel that Daniel has been vindicated and that justice has been served,” said Gregg Sarra, a longtime friend of the Cicciaro family and Daniel’s godfather.
“This situation was never about race, and we hope this verdict finally dispels the notion that any racism was involved,” he said. “The defense wanted to play the race card, and there was nothing there and the jury saw through that.”
After the verdict was delivered, the victim’s parents, Daniel and Joanne Cicciaro, hugged friends and relatives and walked out of the courtroom. Mr. Cicciaro raised his fist in the air and said, “Yeah, go Dano,” and Ms. Cicciaro said, “I love you, Daniel.”
The trial’s racial overtones were obvious from the start, suggesting that the tension associated with the Deep South was alive in a New York suburb with good schools, high property values and privileged children.
The courtroom gallery during the four-week trial was often clearly divided, with blacks seated on one side and whites on the other. Each family was buffered by intimidating groups: the White family by members of the Nation of Islam and the Cicciaros by burly men with shaved heads and biker clothing.
Mr. White testified that Aaron woke him from a deep sleep the night of the shooting, yelling that that “some kids are coming here to kill me.” Mr. White said he considered the angry teenagers a “lynch mob.”
He said their racist language recalled the hatred he saw as a child visiting the segregated Deep South and stories of his grandfather’s being chased out of Alabama in the 1920s by the Ku Klux Klan.
Mr. White testified that his grandfather taught him how to shoot and bequeathed him the pistol he used.
A lawyer for Mr. White, Frederick K. Brewington, insisted in his summation that this was a “modern-day lynch mob” and that Mr. White considered it “history replaying itself.”
“Race has so much to do with this case, ladies and gentlemen, that it is painful,” Mr. Brewington said. He told the jury that to convict Mr. White would betray advances in civil rights.
Mr. Brewington said the verdict “indicates a mindset that says, ‘We’re O.K. with what happened.’” He said the jury failed to take into account that “John White and his family were scared to death.”
The lead prosecutor, James Chalifoux, said the trial did not hinge on race, but rather on the rash actions of a quick-tempered man who kept an arsenal in his house in preparation for such a situation. Mr. White admitted in court that he had not hunted in years and that the Beretta was unlicensed.
Instead of trying to calm the unarmed teenagers, or simply locking his doors and waiting for the police, Mr. White grabbed an unlicensed pistol and stormed out of his house to confront the teenagers, Mr. Chalifoux said.
The prosecutor acknowledged that the teenagers used epithets, but called Mr. White and his lawyers disingenuous in invoking a racial defense, noting that they missed few chances to embellish testimony with inflammatory references, and he said they used the “lynch mob” strategy to distract the jury from the charges.
He cited trial testimony that indicated that Mr. White fanned the gun menacingly at each teenager and that Daniel did not lunge, but rather defiantly slapped the gun away, with Mr. White retraining it on him, then shooting him point-blank in the face.
But Mr. White said the shooting happened accidentally after he began turning to retreat and Daniel lunged at the gun. He testified that he told his wife to call 911.
On Saturday jurors asked for a rereading of the trial testimony of Mr. White, his wife, Sonia, and Aaron. The jurors did not comment after the verdict was read.
Testimony throughout the trial suggested two decent lives colliding in a suburban driveway that night because of an Internet hoax.
Daniel was described as a hard-working, popular teenager who ran his own thriving car repair business. His parents adamantly insisted outside court that their son was not a racist, noting that Ms. Cicciaro is of Puerto Rican heritage, and that he had black friends, including Aaron White.
Daniel apparently believed a false rumor that Aaron was responsible for a message on an Internet chat room that threatened the rape of a girl they all knew. He showed up at the Whites’ house that night to defend the girl’s honor, his parents said, and he crossed paths with Mr. White, a hard-working father of three who had spent a lifetime striving to better his family’s lot by continually moving to better neighborhoods. Mr. White had finally bought his “dream house” in Miller Place in 2005, he testified, where his son could attend a good high school. It was there that Aaron White met Daniel Cicciaro and his friends.
Ibanez wrote:It really is better to be black in America than white. Truly it is. Blacks may feel victimized, but whites are disenfranchised by the law due to people like Sharpton. I can't defend myself against a black or Hispanic mugger without being called a racists. It is MY fault that he has to mug me. I made him mug me by being white. You think DWB (driving while black) is bad try LWW (living while white.)ALPHAGRIZ1 wrote:Blacks are always the victim.............of themselves
http://www.dnainfo.com/new-york/2013071 ... s-cops-say" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
A heartless mugger robbed an elderly blind man twice in his Queensbridge Houses apartment within two weeks — and the most recent of the vicious home invasion attacks left the victim unconscious, police said.
Ibanez wrote:It really is better to be black in America than white. Truly it is. Blacks may feel victimized, but whites are disenfranchised by the law due to people like Sharpton. I can't defend myself against a black or Hispanic mugger without being called a racists. It is MY fault that he has to mug me. I made him mug me by being white. You think DWB (driving while black) is bad try LWW (living while white.)ALPHAGRIZ1 wrote:Blacks are always the victim.............of themselves
http://www.dnainfo.com/new-york/2013071 ... s-cops-say" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
A heartless mugger robbed an elderly blind man twice in his Queensbridge Houses apartment within two weeks — and the most recent of the vicious home invasion attacks left the victim unconscious, police said.
houndawg wrote:Gil Dobie wrote:
As I stated, it was a terrible result if both were standing their ground.
The result is that now you can go looking for trouble in FL, just don't leave any witnesses.
ALPHAGRIZ1 wrote:Ibanez wrote: It really is better to be black in America than white. Truly it is. Blacks may feel victimized, but whites are disenfranchised by the law due to people like Sharpton. I can't defend myself against a black or Hispanic mugger without being called a racists. It is MY fault that he has to mug me. I made him mug me by being white. You think DWB (driving while black) is bad try LWW (living while white.)
http://www.dnainfo.com/new-york/2013071 ... s-cops-say" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
I usually hate 100% of what you post but you are spot on here.
Well done.........(who helped you?)
Bison Fan in NW MN wrote:houndawg wrote:
The result is that now you can go looking for trouble in FL, just don't leave any witnesses.
Nope....the result is that you can defend yourself in America.
Chizzang wrote:He did follow the kid though right..? (probably just short of stalking him)
and the Police did say Not to follow the kid (right?)
and now the Kid is dead and it's the kids fault..?
I might be over simplifying this (I haven't paid too close attention actually) but can you follow a guy and then kill him... and that's defending yourself..?
That is correct. Don't jump people. Period. Just go home and leave the wannabe cops behind.Baldy wrote:No, don't jump somebody...oops "stand your ground" armed with only Skittles and Arizona Iced Tea.houndawg wrote:
So if you get killed while standing your ground, too bad?
Ibanez wrote:It really is better to be black in America than white. Truly it is. Blacks may feel victimized, but whites are disenfranchised by the law due to people like Sharpton. I can't defend myself against a black or Hispanic mugger without being called a racists. It is MY fault that he has to mug me. I made him mug me by being white. You think DWB (driving while black) is bad try LWW (living while white.)ALPHAGRIZ1 wrote:Blacks are always the victim.............of themselves
http://www.dnainfo.com/new-york/2013071 ... s-cops-say" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
A heartless mugger robbed an elderly blind man twice in his Queensbridge Houses apartment within two weeks — and the most recent of the vicious home invasion attacks left the victim unconscious, police said.
