Zimmerman Trial

[Ibanez]

I didn't say that.

but you strongly implied it or else you wouldn't have brought it up...

No, what I said was that just because someone disagrees with Klean, that does not make them a Republican.

[Ibanez]

She's being berated (by me at least) because she has no sense of courtroom decorum, was disrespectful to the defense attorney, can't understand that "cracker" is a racist term, among dozens of other things I don't care to list.

If she is the future of America then we are truly fucked. I don't care how many languages were spoken in all the baby momma homes she was raised in. I just wish she'd have laid off the cheesy poofs and learned some manners.

I'm white. Cracker isn't a racist term. It may hurt "white feel feels" but it has nowhere near the historical and social implications of the n word. If you don't believe me, referring to said word as "the n word" makes people know what word I'm talking about almost universally. When you say the C word, not so much.

When blacks call people crackers it's different than when whites call blacks the n word, because blacks are suspicious of whites because white culture/society has done all it can to marginalize them at any given chance to this day. So, in that sense its justified. Now, when white people call blacks the n word, it's done with a little more social power and the social acceptance of it contributes to the mindset of a society that has blacks stopped and frisked in New York something like 10 times more likely than their white counterparts, gives whites with with a felony offense a higher probability of getting called back for a job than their black counterparts, and has blacks being more probable to be arrested for drug offenses than their white counterparts who are more likely to use drugs....and other such instances of racial discrimination.

TL;DR the n word is offense because whites have social and economic power, blacks don't, so when they use the term cracker it isn't racist. It's like a 3 year old picking a fight with a pro MMA fighter. the pro MMA fighter picking a fight with the child would be seen as bullying/oppressive/what have you but if the child does it, it's literally nothing in the grand scheme of things.

cracker isn't offensive, get over it.

Blacks use that word to ridicule a white person. Racist or not, it's wrong. I think it is racist because it is shows prejudice against a race. You can't assign degrees of prejudice to words. You can't say, "Wop is bad, but not as bad a Kike. It's definitely better than saying nigger." They are all equal. They are used to show prejudice against another race/ethnicity.

[youngterrier]

By the way there's a difference hating a race and being racist. You can't be the former without the latter, but you can be the latter without the former.

Society is racist in that it is racially chauvinistic (usually when civil rights leaders such as Al Sharpton, Cornell West, and Jessie Jackson use the term racist, they operate it under the definition of racism as racially chauvinistic.)

One of the ways the racism of the institution survives is that it deludes us white folk into thinking we have to hate a race to be racist, when that isn't the point. The point is that society is very racially chauvinistic and has double standards in expectation for people based on race (as well as gender and sexuality, but that's another conversation).

The reason this trial is about race is because members within the Black Community are still extremely skeptical of the white establishment (and they should be, given all of the statistics out there) and when a teenage boy gets profiled in the way he was (and he was profiled, regardless of whether or not Z-man intended to murder, he did profile Martin), it's very reflective of our society, and if people can get off with that with the result being dead teenagers, one wouldn't feel safe living in this society as a black person.

We don't live in a post-racial society.

[Ibanez]

By the way there's a difference hating a race and being racist. You can't be the former without the latter, but you can be the latter without the former.

Society is racist in that it is racially chauvinistic (usually when civil rights leaders such as Al Sharpton, Cornell West, and Jessie Jackson use the term racist, they operate it under the definition of racism as racially chauvinistic.)

One of the ways the racism of the institution survives is that it deludes us white folk into thinking we have to hate a race to be racist, when that isn't the point. The point is that society is very racially chauvinistic and has double standards in expectation for people based on race (as well as gender and sexuality, but that's another conversation).

The reason this trial is about race is because members within the Black Community are still extremely skeptical of the white establishment (and they should be, given all of the statistics out there) and when a teenage boy gets profiled in the way he was (and he was profiled, regardless of whether or not Z-man intended to murder, he did profile Martin), it's very reflective of our society, and if people can get off with that with the result being dead teenagers, one wouldn't feel safe living in this society as a black person.

We don't live in a post-racial society.

This trial is about a white looking person shooting a black kid.

[youngterrier]

Cracker is not a racist term. The word Cracker is an old slave term for a mean overseer. "Mr. Charlie cracks the whip hard." A cracker can be black or white. Male or Female. Ever heard of the Atlanta Black Crackers, Negro Baseball Team.

Cracker is racist. You aren't using it as a term of endearment. You are using it to ridicule a certain person. A cracker, in today's society, is a derogatory term for a white person. Essentially, you are calling a white person a slave owner. It's offensive.

racism against white people=hurt white feelings

racism against black people=slavery, Jim Crow, segregation, drug wars, voter suppression, stop and frisk, lynchings, employment discrimination, hurt feelings.

Pardon me if i don't think those are equal^^^ and that stomping out the latter as more important than stomping out the former. Racism against blacks is the injustice as "racism" against whites is a result of racism against blacks....

[youngterrier]

By the way there's a difference hating a race and being racist. You can't be the former without the latter, but you can be the latter without the former.

Society is racist in that it is racially chauvinistic (usually when civil rights leaders such as Al Sharpton, Cornell West, and Jessie Jackson use the term racist, they operate it under the definition of racism as racially chauvinistic.)

One of the ways the racism of the institution survives is that it deludes us white folk into thinking we have to hate a race to be racist, when that isn't the point. The point is that society is very racially chauvinistic and has double standards in expectation for people based on race (as well as gender and sexuality, but that's another conversation).

The reason this trial is about race is because members within the Black Community are still extremely skeptical of the white establishment (and they should be, given all of the statistics out there) and when a teenage boy gets profiled in the way he was (and he was profiled, regardless of whether or not Z-man intended to murder, he did profile Martin), it's very reflective of our society, and if people can get off with that with the result being dead teenagers, one wouldn't feel safe living in this society as a black person.

We don't live in a post-racial society.

This trial is about a white looking person shooting a black kid.

and an overzealous white guy profiling a black guy has absolutely nothing to with that? come on

[youngterrier]

I'm white. Cracker isn't a racist term. It may hurt "white feel feels" but it has nowhere near the historical and social implications of the n word. If you don't believe me, referring to said word as "the n word" makes people know what word I'm talking about almost universally. When you say the C word, not so much.

When blacks call people crackers it's different than when whites call blacks the n word, because blacks are suspicious of whites because white culture/society has done all it can to marginalize them at any given chance to this day. So, in that sense its justified. Now, when white people call blacks the n word, it's done with a little more social power and the social acceptance of it contributes to the mindset of a society that has blacks stopped and frisked in New York something like 10 times more likely than their white counterparts, gives whites with with a felony offense a higher probability of getting called back for a job than their black counterparts, and has blacks being more probable to be arrested for drug offenses than their white counterparts who are more likely to use drugs....and other such instances of racial discrimination.

TL;DR the n word is offense because whites have social and economic power, blacks don't, so when they use the term cracker it isn't racist. It's like a 3 year old picking a fight with a pro MMA fighter. the pro MMA fighter picking a fight with the child would be seen as bullying/oppressive/what have you but if the child does it, it's literally nothing in the grand scheme of things.

cracker isn't offensive, get over it.

Blacks use that word to ridicule a white person. Racist or not, it's wrong. I think it is racist because it is shows prejudice against a race. You can't assign degrees of prejudice to words. You can't say, "Wop is bad, but not as bad a Kike. It's definitely better than saying nigger." They are all equal. They are used to show prejudice against another race/ethnicity.

They may be equal in a metaphysical sense, but history does play a factor. Ignoring history and this thing called "reality" in that people of color have a harder time walking around in America puts it in a better context.

I honestly don't care if she's racist against white people, we've given her enough reason to.

[93henfan]

She's being berated (by me at least) because she has no sense of courtroom decorum, was disrespectful to the defense attorney, can't understand that "cracker" is a racist term, among dozens of other things I don't care to list.

If she is the future of America then we are truly fucked. I don't care how many languages were spoken in all the baby momma homes she was raised in. I just wish she'd have laid off the cheesy poofs and learned some manners.

I'm white. Cracker isn't a racist term. It may hurt "white feel feels" but it has nowhere near the historical and social implications of the n word. If you don't believe me, referring to said word as "the n word" makes people know what word I'm talking about almost universally. When you say the C word, not so much.

When blacks call people crackers it's different than when whites call blacks the n word, because blacks are suspicious of whites because white culture/society has done all it can to marginalize them at any given chance to this day. So, in that sense its justified. Now, when white people call blacks the n word, it's done with a little more social power and the social acceptance of it contributes to the mindset of a society that has blacks stopped and frisked in New York something like 10 times more likely than their white counterparts, gives whites with with a felony offense a higher probability of getting called back for a job than their black counterparts, and has blacks being more probable to be arrested for drug offenses than their white counterparts who are more likely to use drugs....and other such instances of racial discrimination.

TL;DR the n word is offense because whites have social and economic power, blacks don't, so when they use the term cracker it isn't racist. It's like a 3 year old picking a fight with a pro MMA fighter. the pro MMA fighter picking a fight with the child would be seen as bullying/oppressive/what have you but if the child does it, it's literally nothing in the grand scheme of things.

cracker isn't offensive, get over it.

You're wrong. Cracker is a racist term.

[Ibanez]

This trial is about a white looking person shooting a black kid.

and an overzealous white guy profiling a black guy has absolutely nothing to with that? come on

Did I say that? C'mon dude.

[Ibanez]

Blacks use that word to ridicule a white person. Racist or not, it's wrong. I think it is racist because it is shows prejudice against a race. You can't assign degrees of prejudice to words. You can't say, "Wop is bad, but not as bad a Kike. It's definitely better than saying nigger." They are all equal. They are used to show prejudice against another race/ethnicity.

They may be equal in a metaphysical sense, but history does play a factor. Ignoring history and this thing called "reality" in that people of color have a harder time walking around in America puts it in a better context.

I honestly don't care if she's racist against white people, we've given her enough reason to.

With all due respect, fuck your metaphysical sense. Dion on the street corner isn't using cracker in a metaphysical sense. He's calling a white person a cracker out of a deep seeded hate. You have so much to learn, don't allow a year of college make you think you're a wise in the ways of the world.

[Ibanez]

I'm white. Cracker isn't a racist term. It may hurt "white feel feels" but it has nowhere near the historical and social implications of the n word. If you don't believe me, referring to said word as "the n word" makes people know what word I'm talking about almost universally. When you say the C word, not so much.

When blacks call people crackers it's different than when whites call blacks the n word, because blacks are suspicious of whites because white culture/society has done all it can to marginalize them at any given chance to this day. So, in that sense its justified. Now, when white people call blacks the n word, it's done with a little more social power and the social acceptance of it contributes to the mindset of a society that has blacks stopped and frisked in New York something like 10 times more likely than their white counterparts, gives whites with with a felony offense a higher probability of getting called back for a job than their black counterparts, and has blacks being more probable to be arrested for drug offenses than their white counterparts who are more likely to use drugs....and other such instances of racial discrimination.

TL;DR the n word is offense because whites have social and economic power, blacks don't, so when they use the term cracker it isn't racist. It's like a 3 year old picking a fight with a pro MMA fighter. the pro MMA fighter picking a fight with the child would be seen as bullying/oppressive/what have you but if the child does it, it's literally nothing in the grand scheme of things.

cracker isn't offensive, get over it.

You're wrong. Cracker is a racist term.

Fundamentally, yes. It is a racist term. YT is trying to get philosophical on us. Philosophy only gets you so far.

[youngterrier]

I'm white. Cracker isn't a racist term. It may hurt "white feel feels" but it has nowhere near the historical and social implications of the n word. If you don't believe me, referring to said word as "the n word" makes people know what word I'm talking about almost universally. When you say the C word, not so much.

When blacks call people crackers it's different than when whites call blacks the n word, because blacks are suspicious of whites because white culture/society has done all it can to marginalize them at any given chance to this day. So, in that sense its justified. Now, when white people call blacks the n word, it's done with a little more social power and the social acceptance of it contributes to the mindset of a society that has blacks stopped and frisked in New York something like 10 times more likely than their white counterparts, gives whites with with a felony offense a higher probability of getting called back for a job than their black counterparts, and has blacks being more probable to be arrested for drug offenses than their white counterparts who are more likely to use drugs....and other such instances of racial discrimination.

TL;DR the n word is offense because whites have social and economic power, blacks don't, so when they use the term cracker it isn't racist. It's like a 3 year old picking a fight with a pro MMA fighter. the pro MMA fighter picking a fight with the child would be seen as bullying/oppressive/what have you but if the child does it, it's literally nothing in the grand scheme of things.

cracker isn't offensive, get over it.

You're wrong. Cracker is a racist term.

perhaps it is, but its not nearly as bad as the n word.

[youngterrier]

and an overzealous white guy profiling a black guy has absolutely nothing to with that? come on

Did I say that? C'mon dude.

Well you said it was about a white dude killing a black dude as a means to disqualify my statement, which only makes you imply as much.

[93henfan]

Cracker is racist. You aren't using it as a term of endearment. You are using it to ridicule a certain person. A cracker, in today's society, is a derogatory term for a white person. Essentially, you are calling a white person a slave owner. It's offensive.

racism against white people=hurt white feelings

racism against black people=slavery, Jim Crow, segregation, drug wars, voter suppression, stop and frisk, lynchings, employment discrimination, hurt feelings.

Pardon me if i don't think those are equal^^^ and that stomping out the latter as more important than stomping out the former. Racism against blacks is the injustice as "racism" against whites is a result of racism against blacks....

The media has conditioned you well. Black people are not enslaved. They haven't been for 150 years. They need to stop using it as a crutch. White people are discriminated against for employment and educational opportunity by affirmative action. It has happened to me twice. Reverse racism and discrimination is rampant in this country and apparently acceptable to people like you.

You're a great parrot of the liberal crap you've been fed. I hope you can start thinking for yourself when you get old enough to know better.

[youngterrier]

They may be equal in a metaphysical sense, but history does play a factor. Ignoring history and this thing called "reality" in that people of color have a harder time walking around in America puts it in a better context.

I honestly don't care if she's racist against white people, we've given her enough reason to.

With all due respect, fuck your metaphysical sense. Dion on the street corner isn't using cracker in a metaphysical sense. He's calling a white person a cracker out of a deep seeded hate. You have so much to learn, don't allow a year of college make you think you're a wise in the ways of the world.

No, I've actually talked to black people who have used that term. this isn't philosophy or some academic assertion (I mean, yeah it is, but that's not the source of it all).

They have a deep-seeded hatred of white people because white people have treated them so unjustly.

[youngterrier]

You're wrong. Cracker is a racist term.

Fundamentally, yes. It is a racist term. YT is trying to get philosophical on us. Philosophy only gets you so far.

This isn't philosophy as much as it is understanding why people think the way they do. Philosophy only makes it understandable for those of us who don't experience institutionalized racism

[youngterrier]

racism against white people=hurt white feelings

racism against black people=slavery, Jim Crow, segregation, drug wars, voter suppression, stop and frisk, lynchings, employment discrimination, hurt feelings.

Pardon me if i don't think those are equal^^^ and that stomping out the latter as more important than stomping out the former. Racism against blacks is the injustice as "racism" against whites is a result of racism against blacks....

The media has conditioned you well. Black people are not enslaved. They haven't been for 150 years. They need to stop using it as a crutch. White people are discriminated against for employment and educational opportunity by affirmative action. It has happened to me twice. Reverse racism and discrimination is rampant in this country and apparently acceptable to people like you.

You're a great parrot of the liberal crap you've been fed. I hope you can start thinking for yourself when you get old enough to know better.

Affirmative action as an institutional INITIATIVE (not law, initiative) is a response to the stuff I'm talking about. Most merit scholarships go to white men. people of color have much much more higher unemployment numbers than white people. All of this is well documented and you can look it up.That's why scholarships for minorities and affirmative action exist, to counteract unconscious bias within culture.

You think I'm a product of the liberal media and I find that funny because I hate the media and ironically only find myself watching Fox if I ever watch the news.

I hope you start thinking for yourself soon.

[youngterrier]

by the way if you think slavery is over, I suggest you do more research about the prison industrial complex. It's essentially the same thing...

and guess who's effected more by it? Black men...

[93henfan]

The media has conditioned you well. Black people are not enslaved. They haven't been for 150 years. They need to stop using it as a crutch. White people are discriminated against for employment and educational opportunity by affirmative action. It has happened to me twice. Reverse racism and discrimination is rampant in this country and apparently acceptable to people like you.

You're a great parrot of the liberal crap you've been fed. I hope you can start thinking for yourself when you get old enough to know better.

Affirmative action as an institutional INITIATIVE (not law, initiative) is a response to the stuff I'm talking about. Most merit scholarships go to white men. people of color have much much more higher unemployment numbers than white people. All of this is well documented and you can look it up.That's why scholarships for minorities and affirmative action exist, to counteract unconscious bias within culture.

You think I'm a product of the liberal media and I find that funny because I hate the media and ironically only find myself watching Fox if I ever watch the news.

I hope you start thinking for yourself soon.

You are so naive it's comical. Actually it's more sad than comical. I stand corrected.

[93henfan]

by the way if you think slavery is over, I suggest you do more research about the prison industrial complex. It's essentially the same thing...

and guess who's effected more by it? Black men...

Oh please, stop. I used to think you were intelligent. Boy, they really got ahold of you.

[ASUMountaineer]

Blacks use that word to ridicule a white person. Racist or not, it's wrong. I think it is racist because it is shows prejudice against a race. You can't assign degrees of prejudice to words. You can't say, "Wop is bad, but not as bad a Kike. It's definitely better than saying n*****." They are all equal. They are used to show prejudice against another race/ethnicity.

They may be equal in a metaphysical sense, but history does play a factor. Ignoring history and this thing called "reality" in that people of color have a harder time walking around in America puts it in a better context.

I honestly don't care if she's racist against white people, we've given her enough reason to.

I've given her no reason to be.

[youngterrier]

Affirmative action as an institutional INITIATIVE (not law, initiative) is a response to the stuff I'm talking about. Most merit scholarships go to white men. people of color have much much more higher unemployment numbers than white people. All of this is well documented and you can look it up.That's why scholarships for minorities and affirmative action exist, to counteract unconscious bias within culture.

You think I'm a product of the liberal media and I find that funny because I hate the media and ironically only find myself watching Fox if I ever watch the news.

I hope you start thinking for yourself soon.

You are so naive it's comical. Actually it's more sad than comical. I stand corrected.

You know, the funny thing is that you haven't really presented any facts into this discussion, all you've done is call me dronish and naive. That's weird because I thought presenting facts and well-thought opinions was the opposite of that.

On the contrary, you've basically regurgitated the mainstream opinion. Most people don't agree with me. As a matter of fact, an overwhelming majority don't. Yet, I'm the drone?

[youngterrier]

They may be equal in a metaphysical sense, but history does play a factor. Ignoring history and this thing called "reality" in that people of color have a harder time walking around in America puts it in a better context.

I honestly don't care if she's racist against white people, we've given her enough reason to.

I've given her no reason to be.

Perhaps not, but why should she trust you when she has no reason to?

[youngterrier]

by the way if you think slavery is over, I suggest you do more research about the prison industrial complex. It's essentially the same thing...

and guess who's effected more by it? Black men...

Oh please, stop. I used to think you were intelligent. Boy, they really got ahold of you.

Oh yeah, let's not be critical of anything, that would be drone-ish of us wouldn't it? Just be apologetic to the institution and all it does....shhhhh

(what's funny is that this isn't really reported on by the mainstream media, so idk where you're getting this...)

[93henfan]

They may be equal in a metaphysical sense, but history does play a factor. Ignoring history and this thing called "reality" in that people of color have a harder time walking around in America puts it in a better context.

I honestly don't care if she's racist against white people, we've given her enough reason to.

I've given her no reason to be.

Me either. I've involuntarily been denied opportunities in life so lesser qualified blacks could take the opportunity. My son with special needs gets less resources than a black kid in Head Start. I have black people make racist comments in front if me at work on a daily basis and I just have to bite my tongue. Saying anything would implicate me as a racist. I watch black managers hire disproportionate numbers of black employees. Hmmmm. I guess I've given black people so many reasons to hate me.