Obamacare Mandate Delayed until 2015

[AZGrizFan]

I'm no fan of Obamacare either but one could make the argument that our system is in a state of collapse as well. It's not as if our for-profit insurance companies are highly efficient and keep costs down.

True Dat!!!!

With government intervention, they're about to become EXPERTS at NOT keeping costs down.

[93henfan]

Just for grins and giggles with the reporting of gas prices earlier in the thread, I checked the historic prices here:
http://www.eia.gov/petroleum/gasdiesel/ ... gvwall.xls

Some eye opening snapshots in history:

Price per gallon of regular unleaded, national average, with % change from previous data point

Clinton
Feb 22, 1999 - $0.885
Mar 13, 2000 - $1.511 (+70.7%)
Dec 17, 2001 - $1.042 (-31.0%)
Bush
Mar 24, 2003 - $1.626 (+56.0%)
Sep 5, 2005 - $3.037 (+86.8%)
Nov 28, 2005 - $2.124 (-30.0%)
Jul 14, 2008 - $4.054 (+90.9%)
Dec 29, 2008 - $1.590 (-60.8%)
Obama
May 9, 2011 - $3.907 (+245.7%)
Jul 1, 2013 - $3.410 (-19.6%)

[grizzaholic]

Just for grins and giggles with the reporting of gas prices earlier in the thread, I checked the historic prices here:
http://www.eia.gov/petroleum/gasdiesel/ ... gvwall.xls

Some eye opening snapshots in history:

Price per gallon of regular unleaded, national average, with % change from previous data point

Clinton
Feb 22, 1999 - $0.885
Mar 13, 2000 - $1.511 (+70.7%)
Dec 17, 2001 - $1.042 (-31.0%)
Bush
Mar 24, 2003 - $1.626 (+56.0%)
Sep 5, 2005 - $3.037 (+86.8%)
Nov 28, 2005 - $2.124 (-30.0%)
Jul 14, 2008 - $4.054 (+90.9%)
Dec 29, 2008 - $1.590 (-60.8%)
Obama
May 9, 2011 - $3.907 (+245.7%)
Jul 1, 2013 - $3.410 (-19.6%)

Change was right

[ASUG8]

Buncha negative Nancy's. What happened to the $8/gallon gasoline we were going to get because of Obama's policies?

I'm still waiting on that open tap of Kuwaiti and Iraqi oil to drive US prices back down to a buck.

[Ibanez]

Just for grins and giggles with the reporting of gas prices earlier in the thread, I checked the historic prices here:
http://www.eia.gov/petroleum/gasdiesel/ ... gvwall.xls

Some eye opening snapshots in history:

Price per gallon of regular unleaded, national average, with % change from previous data point

Clinton
Feb 22, 1999 - $0.885
Mar 13, 2000 - $1.511 (+70.7%)
Dec 17, 2001 - $1.042 (-31.0%)
Bush
Mar 24, 2003 - $1.626 (+56.0%)
Sep 5, 2005 - $3.037 (+86.8%)
Nov 28, 2005 - $2.124 (-30.0%)
Jul 14, 2008 - $4.054 (+90.9%)
Dec 29, 2008 - $1.590 (-60.8%)
Obama
May 9, 2011 - $3.907 (+245.7%)
Jul 1, 2013 - $3.410 (-19.6%)

where in the hell was it close to $1.59?

Hey,look at that, gas is down almost 20% from when he took office.

[Ibanez]

Buncha negative Nancy's. What happened to the $8/gallon gasoline we were going to get because of Obama's policies?

I'm still waiting on that open tap of Kuwaiti and Iraqi oil to drive US prices back down to a buck.

We're using that to pay for the wars. DUH!

[93henfan]

Just for grins and giggles with the reporting of gas prices earlier in the thread, I checked the historic prices here:
http://www.eia.gov/petroleum/gasdiesel/ ... gvwall.xls

Some eye opening snapshots in history:

Price per gallon of regular unleaded, national average, with % change from previous data point

Clinton
Feb 22, 1999 - $0.885
Mar 13, 2000 - $1.511 (+70.7%)
Dec 17, 2001 - $1.042 (-31.0%)
Bush
Mar 24, 2003 - $1.626 (+56.0%)
Sep 5, 2005 - $3.037 (+86.8%)
Nov 28, 2005 - $2.124 (-30.0%)
Jul 14, 2008 - $4.054 (+90.9%)
Dec 29, 2008 - $1.590 (-60.8%)
Obama
May 9, 2011 - $3.907 (+245.7%)
Jul 1, 2013 - $3.410 (-19.6%)

where in the hell was it close to $1.59?

Hey,look at that, gas is down almost 20% from when he took office.

People have short memories. It was $1.59 in Christmas 2008 and 88 cents/gallon in Feb 1999. They don't make these numbers up. California seems to always be higher than everywhere else and I remember people rejoicing in 99 when I lived there when gas got back below $1/gal.

[GrizFanStuckInUtah]

It's almost as if nobody read the fine print when they voted it in and are now realizing that the timelines and execution of this unread program weren't feasible.

We had to pass it to figure out what it was.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KoE1R-xH5To[/youtube]

[ASUG8]

It's almost as if nobody read the fine print when they voted it in and are now realizing that the timelines and execution of this unread program weren't feasible.

We had to pass it to figure out what it was.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KoE1R-xH5To[/youtube]

Unbelievable. Look at that kool-aid inspired glossy look in her eyes and the clueless smile. California should be proud.

[Ibanez]

where in the hell was it close to $1.59?

Hey,look at that, gas is down almost 20% from when he took office.

People have short memories. It was $1.59 in Christmas 2008 and 88 cents/gallon in Feb 1999. They don't make these numbers up. California seems to always be higher than everywhere else and I remember people rejoicing in 99 when I lived there when gas got back below $1/gal.

I'm not denying it, just wish I lived where it was that low. I remember it being under $1 in the late 90's when I was in high school

[93henfan]

People have short memories. It was $1.59 in Christmas 2008 and 88 cents/gallon in Feb 1999. They don't make these numbers up. California seems to always be higher than everywhere else and I remember people rejoicing in 99 when I lived there when gas got back below $1/gal.

I'm not denying it, just wish I lived where it was that low. I remember it being under $1 in the late 90's when I was in high school

You weren't in SC then? SC usually runs below the national average.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0W_DChF0jcI[/youtube]

[mrklean]

Big Brother is comming. No more eating Burgers and Pizza. For now on, Salad and water 7 days a week.
Big Brother wants you healthy and safe

[ASUMountaineer]

Buncha negative Nancy's. What happened to the $8/gallon gasoline we were going to get because of Obama's policies?

Deflect...deflect...

[YoUDeeMan]

Big Brother is comming. No more eating Burgers and Pizza. For now on, Salad and water 7 days a week.
Big Brother wants you healthy and safe

They aren't taking my pizza without a fight.

[HI54UNI]

Does anyone know if the mandate date was part of the law approved by Congress and signed by the President or was the date an arbitrary date picked by HHS when writing the rules to implement the law? If it was the former can the president just ignore the law?

[Ibanez]

I'm not denying it, just wish I lived where it was that low. I remember it being under $1 in the late 90's when I was in high school

You weren't in SC then? SC usually runs below the national average.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0W_DChF0jcI[/youtube]

Gas is cheaper here, I just don't remember.


That video is from Aiken. Charleston is usually more expensive. I filled up for $.20 cheaper in Columbia on Sunday than I could've in Charleston.

[ASUG8]

Does anyone know if the mandate date was part of the law approved by Congress and signed by the President or was the date an arbitrary date picked by HHS when writing the rules to implement the law? If it was the former can the president just ignore the law?

A pretty good synopsis of effective dates under the plan.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patient_Pr ... e_Care_Act" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[TheDancinMonarch]

Does anyone know if the mandate date was part of the law approved by Congress and signed by the President or was the date an arbitrary date picked by HHS when writing the rules to implement the law? If it was the former can the president just ignore the law?

Would it matter? As I see it Obama is a law unto himself and will do whatever seems best for him. The rest of us be damned.

[HI54UNI]

Does anyone know if the mandate date was part of the law approved by Congress and signed by the President or was the date an arbitrary date picked by HHS when writing the rules to implement the law? If it was the former can the president just ignore the law?

Would it matter? As I see it Obama is a law unto himself and will do whatever seems best for him. The rest of us be damned.

I know. It was a serious question but I know the law doesn't apply to the Chosen One so it doesn't really matter.

[HI54UNI]

Does anyone know if the mandate date was part of the law approved by Congress and signed by the President or was the date an arbitrary date picked by HHS when writing the rules to implement the law? If it was the former can the president just ignore the law?

A pretty good synopsis of effective dates under the plan.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patient_Pr ... e_Care_Act" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Thanks. So he can just ignore the law if he doesn't like it. Just like he does with everything else he doesn't like.

[ASUG8]

A pretty good synopsis of effective dates under the plan.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patient_Pr ... e_Care_Act" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Thanks. So he can just ignore the law if he doesn't like it. Just like he does with everything else he doesn't like.

He's a constitutional scholar. So yes, he can ignore the law.

[TheDancinMonarch]

Would it matter? As I see it Obama is a law unto himself and will do whatever seems best for him. The rest of us be damned.

I know. It was a serious question but I know the law doesn't apply to the Chosen One so it doesn't really matter.

I knew that your question was serious. My answer, while appearing quite flippant, was deadly serious. Actually, sadly so.

[CID1990]

No.

Our system has its flaws as all healthcare systems do, but Obamacare is a change for the worse, and there is no amount of gussying you can put on it. Increased costs to the taxpayers, elevated costs, and almost zero choice. Precisely the opposite situation that was sold to the public.

Single payer systems around the world are in a state if virtual collapse. The only question I have is:

Why do you have such faith that our government can do it better?


Sent from the center of the universe.

I'm no fan of Obamacare either but one could make the argument that our system is in a state of collapse as well. It's not as if our for-profit insurance companies are highly efficient and keep costs down.

But when consumer costs ultimately go up in the aggregate, and employers adjust their numbers downward to avoid penalties... where's the benefit of Obamacare?

There is no logic in intentionally making our existing system worse. People can not say they weren't warned. Like Nancy said, "You've got to pass it to find out what's in it."


Sent from the center of the universe.

[mrklean]

Big Brother want you to loose weight, eat salad everyday, no more beer or soda. No more, Pizza and BBQ and you must send in your health numbers twice a year.

BIG BROTHER IS WATCHING!!!!

[93henfan]

I never knew that when Orwell wrote "brother" that he was being so literal.