NSA Whistle Blower Goes Public

[Ibanez]

The information he gave is alarming and we should know about it. My qualm is in the manner he did it. Whistleblower law doesn't state that you take the info to a foreign press agency. I understand his fear of prosecution but there are better ways. Give it to the IG. get in front of a Congressman. That's my opinion.

But you'd still have to have access to these through certain channels to get their ear. I'm guessing it's not that simple.

My strategy for a senator would be to bound his offices and find out when he would be home at an office. If you make enough noise, and target a Tea Party loyalist you can probably make some headway.

[Grizalltheway]

The information he gave is alarming and we should know about it. My qualm is in the manner he did it. Whistleblower law doesn't state that you take the info to a foreign press agency. I understand his fear of prosecution but there are better ways. Give it to the IG. get in front of a Congressman. That's my opinion.

You mean the Congress that passed the PATRIOT Act, and takes YEARS to pass a fuggin budget? Yeah, I'm sure that would be effective.

[Ibanez]

Now that it isn't your guy isn't the one doing it, its a terrible thing.


Stupid conk fvck.

Thanks for the input, D1B.

Ha. It's wrong regardless of the man in the office. At least AZ and others get that.

[Ibanez]

The information he gave is alarming and we should know about it. My qualm is in the manner he did it. Whistleblower law doesn't state that you take the info to a foreign press agency. I understand his fear of prosecution but there are better ways. Give it to the IG. get in front of a Congressman. That's my opinion.

You mean the Congress that passed the PATRIOT Act, and takes YEARS to pass a fuggin budget? Yeah, I'm sure that would be effective.

WTAG, think of the image. You are a fella with something to say. You go through the govt but they won't listen so then you go to the public. That way you can not only say that the govt is doing XYZ, but that you brought it to the IG and they ignored it. Public perception is everything.

[houndawg]

Well "the firm" has clearly profited from these practices, so forgive me if I have a hard time feeling badly for it.

This company isn't the problem. It's the coward in Hong King.

This kid is no coward. He saw what they'll do to an undercover CIA agent if her husband disagrees with them and he knows his life isn't worth a nickel unless he gets real public real fast.

What sort of activities against Americans do you take on behalf of your company, Ibanez?

[Grizalltheway]

Well "the firm" has clearly profited from these practices, so forgive me if I have a hard time feeling badly for it.

This company isn't the problem. It's the coward in Hong King.

Toe the company line if you want, but Eisenhower would be rolling over in his grave if he knew the state of the military-industrial and national security complexes.

[Ibanez]

This company isn't the problem. It's the coward in Hong King.

This kid is no coward. He saw what they'll do to an undercover CIA agent if her husband disagrees with them and he knows his life isn't worth a nickel unless he gets real public real fast.

What sort of activities against Americans do you take on behalf of your company, Ibanez?

You think BAH is the first company to hire someone that breaks the law? You think he's the first spy to go rogue? You aren't even listening to him. You're getting bogged down on the wrong thing. It's about what he's reported, not who he worked for, for 3 months. Where was he prior to that? Booz Allen isn't the problem or the enemy.

[Ibanez]

This company isn't the problem. It's the coward in Hong King.

Toe the company line if you want, but Eisenhower would be rolling over in his grave if he knew the state of the military-industrial and national security complexes.

You guys are focusing on the wrong thing. Which would you have, the government building jets, aircrafts carriers, managing it systems or contract that out to a more efficient organization?

[houndawg]

This kid is no coward. He saw what they'll do to an undercover CIA agent if her husband disagrees with them and he knows his life isn't worth a nickel unless he gets real public real fast.

What sort of activities against Americans do you take on behalf of your company, Ibanez?

You think BAH is the first company to hire someone that breaks the law? You think he's the first spy to go rogue? You aren't even listening to him. You're getting bogged down on the wrong thing. It's about what he's reported, not who he worked for, for 3 months. Where was he prior to that? Booz Allen isn't the problem or the enemy.

The problem? No, just a symptom.

The enemy? You work for the enemy, you're the enemy too.

[houndawg]

This kid is no coward. He saw what they'll do to an undercover CIA agent if her husband disagrees with them and he knows his life isn't worth a nickel unless he gets real public real fast.

What sort of activities against Americans do you take on behalf of your company, Ibanez?

You think BAH is the first company to hire someone that breaks the law? You think he's the first spy to go rogue? You aren't even listening to him. You're getting bogged down on the wrong thing. It's about what he's reported, not who he worked for, for 3 months. Where was he prior to that? Booz Allen isn't the problem or the enemy.

What he has reported doesn't make me feel good about our, or more correctly, the, government. Everybody needs a job to put food on the table bro. Hope you're eating well.

[Ibanez]

You think BAH is the first company to hire someone that breaks the law? You think he's the first spy to go rogue? You aren't even listening to him. You're getting bogged down on the wrong thing. It's about what he's reported, not who he worked for, for 3 months. Where was he prior to that? Booz Allen isn't the problem or the enemy.

What he has reported doesn't make me feel good about our, or more correctly, the, government. Everybody needs a job to put food on the table bro. Hope you're eating well.

I do alright, not $200k alright, but I survive.

[Ibanez]

You think BAH is the first company to hire someone that breaks the law? You think he's the first spy to go rogue? You aren't even listening to him. You're getting bogged down on the wrong thing. It's about what he's reported, not who he worked for, for 3 months. Where was he prior to that? Booz Allen isn't the problem or the enemy.

The problem? No, just a symptom.

The enemy? You work for the enemy, you're the enemy too.

Everyone is the enemy to you. I guess me, AZ and 93hen are evil incarnate.

[kalm]

Toe the company line if you want, but Eisenhower would be rolling over in his grave if he knew the state of the military-industrial and national security complexes.

You guys are focusing on the wrong thing. Which would you have, the government building jets, aircrafts carriers, managing it systems or contract that out to a more efficient organization?

Different topic but you can make a case that if war wasn't profitable, we wouldn't be in as many. Hell, not just Ike, but Jefferson warned us about this and banksters at the founding.

[kalm]

But you'd still have to have access to these through certain channels to get their ear. I'm guessing it's not that simple.

My strategy for a senator would be to bound his offices and find out when he would be home at an office. If you make enough noise, and target a Tea Party loyalist you can probably make some headway.

Big maybe on that one. Besides, it's not as though these guys aren't insulated from every Tom, Dick, and Ibanez that come calling about some grievance. I'm guessing this was a difficult to arrive at but very calculated move.

[kalm]

This company isn't the problem. It's the coward in Hong King.

This kid is no coward. He saw what they'll do to an undercover CIA agent if her husband disagrees with them and he knows his life isn't worth a nickel unless he gets real public real fast.

What sort of activities against Americans do you take on behalf of your company, Ibanez?

Again, check out John Kirakou's story if you want to see how patriotic whistleblowers get treated in this country.

[CID1990]

SMH at anyone who tries to downplay this.


Sent from the center of the universe.

[Ibanez]

SMH at anyone who tries to downplay this.


Sent from the center of the universe.

This should be discussed, yes. It's a deep infringement on our privacy

[Ibanez]

My strategy for a senator would be to bound his offices and find out when he would be home at an office. If you make enough noise, and target a Tea Party loyalist you can probably make some headway.

Big maybe on that one. Besides, it's not as though these guys aren't insulated from every Tom, Dick, and Ibanez that come calling about some grievance. I'm guessing this was a difficult to arrive at but very calculated move.

Yes, but perception is everything. I'm sure he has a plan, but he did this. Not Booz Allen.

[Ibanez]

You guys are focusing on the wrong thing. Which would you have, the government building jets, aircrafts carriers, managing it systems or contract that out to a more efficient organization?

Different topic but you can make a case that if war wasn't profitable, we wouldn't be in as many. Hell, not just Ike, but Jefferson warned us about this and banksters at the founding.

I agree. Look at the recovery that came With our entry into WW2.

[kalm]

Different topic but you can make a case that if war wasn't profitable, we wouldn't be in as many. Hell, not just Ike, but Jefferson warned us about this and banksters at the founding.

I agree. Look at the recovery that came With our entry into WW2.

Over-simplification and a completely different circumstance than what we've been involved with since.

[Ibanez]

I agree. Look at the recovery that came With our entry into WW2.

Over-simplification and a completely different circumstance than what we've been involved with since.

You get my point though.

[AZGrizFan]

The problem? No, just a symptom.

The enemy? You work for the enemy, you're the enemy too.

Everyone is the enemy to you. I guess me, AZ and 93hen are evil incarnate.

Don't lump me in here. I agree with houndawg on this one. BAH IS the enemy here...This kid is a fucking hero.

[houndawg]

The problem? No, just a symptom.

The enemy? You work for the enemy, you're the enemy too.

Everyone is the enemy to you. I guess me, AZ and 93hen are evil incarnate.

No, Z and 93 are cool.

[Grizalltheway]

This kid is no coward. He saw what they'll do to an undercover CIA agent if her husband disagrees with them and he knows his life isn't worth a nickel unless he gets real public real fast.

What sort of activities against Americans do you take on behalf of your company, Ibanez?

You think BAH is the first company to hire someone that breaks the law? You think he's the first spy to go rogue? You aren't even listening to him. You're getting bogged down on the wrong thing. It's about what he's reported, not who he worked for, for 3 months. Where was he prior to that? Booz Allen isn't the problem or the enemy.

All I'm saying is that I don't feel sympathy for Booz getting negative press over this when they've profited from these kinds of programs.

[AZGrizFan]

You think BAH is the first company to hire someone that breaks the law? You think he's the first spy to go rogue? You aren't even listening to him. You're getting bogged down on the wrong thing. It's about what he's reported, not who he worked for, for 3 months. Where was he prior to that? Booz Allen isn't the problem or the enemy.

All I'm saying is that I don't feel sympathy for Booz getting negative press over this when they've profited from these kinds of programs.

And there's a HUGE difference between a "spy" and a "whistleblower". This kid is no spy.