Cluck U wrote:
Things are a bit different now, kalm. Two of my in-laws are professors, as are most of my neighbors. Once they reach full professor, they suddenly teach only one, two max, classes per semester, with limited numbers of students...and they have assistants that do much of the teaching, and they all have profitable businesses on the side that are directly related to their teachings. Every...single...one...of...them...without...exception. Seriously, it is a game. They can't get fired and they go on cruise control. Once they have their classes set up the way they want to teach, they just walk through the motions and allow assitants to do the grunt work. And they find ways to limit the number of days they actually teach (finals for finals week...no way, that would mean the professor would not be able to get an early start on summer vacation).
The associate professors say they struggle with larger classes and fewer assistants. But the full professors are on easy street...no doubt about that.
Why would they need a profitable bidniz on the side when they already make astronomical pay and bennies?
Hell, I work full time and am starting to teach adjunct on the side. Why? That salary goes straight into an account that never gets touched. I work my ass off for a few years, grow a sizable savings and have some breathing room.
Hell, I work full time and am starting to teach adjunct on the side. Why? That salary goes straight into an account that never gets touched. I work my ass off for a few years, grow a sizable savings and have some breathing room.
I don't think there is anything wrong with having more than one gig. I do, as do more of us every year. CID seems to have taken the vapors over the concept though.
You matter. Unless you multiply yourself by c squared. Then you energy.
"I really love America. I just don't know how to get there anymore."John Prine
GannonFan wrote:I agree with Cluck here. Full time college professors are almost working at a retirement pace yet getting a pretty good salary. I've never considered college professors as the beaten down masses that a few have tried to paint them as here. Sure, like in any profession, there are exceptions, but a considerable majority work a ridiculously light work load and pull in large salaries. They are certainly some of the reason why colleges are vastly overpriced today and clearly part of the beneficiaries of that economic pillaging going on.
Could you define the terms "considerable majority", "ridiculously light work load", and "large salaries"?
I haven't seen anyone here trying to portray them as the beaten down masses. Just the opposite.
Gannon, the facts suggest faculty do work a ridiculous amount.... In fact, numerous surveys suggest faculty work 50+ hours per week. In many of the science fields (not sure about the humanities) summer work is mandatory to push ahead with research.
In summary:
1) Public professors make less than what the private market has dictated.
2) Professors work more than the typical American (average just over 40).
3) Most professors work over the summer for no pay.
4) Sabbaticals must be approved by department heads and deans and must be for a specific reason.
5) Salaries over 150,000 are rare (95 percentile) and are typically paid at doctoral institutions where professors "make" considerable money for the institution. Further, occupations where considerably more can be made in the private sector must be higher out of necessity.
houndawg wrote:
Could you define the terms "considerable majority", "ridiculously light work load", and "large salaries"?
I haven't seen anyone here trying to portray them as the beaten down masses. Just the opposite.
Gannon, the facts suggest faculty do work a ridiculous amount.... In fact, numerous surveys suggest faculty work 50+ hours per week. In many of the science fields (not sure about the humanities) summer work is mandatory to push ahead with research.
In summary:
1) Public professors make less than what the private market has dictated.
2) Professors work more than the typical American (average just over 40).
3) Most professors work over the summer for no pay.
4) Sabbaticals must be approved by department heads and deans and must be for a specific reason.
5) Salaries over 150,000 are rare (95 percentile) and are typically paid at doctoral institutions where professors "make" considerable money for the institution. Further, occupations where considerably more can be made in the private sector must be higher out of necessity.
You matter. Unless you multiply yourself by c squared. Then you energy.
"I really love America. I just don't know how to get there anymore."John Prine
houndawg wrote:
Could you define the terms "considerable majority", "ridiculously light work load", and "large salaries"?
I haven't seen anyone here trying to portray them as the beaten down masses. Just the opposite.
Gannon, the facts suggest faculty do work a ridiculous amount.... In fact, numerous surveys suggest faculty work 50+ hours per week. In many of the science fields (not sure about the humanities) summer work is mandatory to push ahead with research.
In summary:
1) Public professors make less than what the private market has dictated.
2) Professors work more than the typical American (average just over 40).
3) Most professors work over the summer for no pay.
4) Sabbaticals must be approved by department heads and deans and must be for a specific reason.
5) Salaries over 150,000 are rare (95 percentile) and are typically paid at doctoral institutions where professors "make" considerable money for the institution. Further, occupations where considerably more can be made in the private sector must be higher out of necessity.
Cluck U wrote:
Sure, schools terminate (or do not renew the contracts of) professors that do not have tenure. Those folks fully know they signed up for such a non-tenured, short-term position, so there is no surprise there. They aren't really "fired" in that sense.
However, tenured full professors rarely get fired...short of a murder conviction.
If you have proof that tenured full professors get routinely terminated, post your link.
What happened to "they can't be fired"?
What happened to, "Professors get fired all the time?" State your source...put up numbers. Then find out why you left off the, "once they reach full professor" part of my post.
Cluck U wrote:
Things are a bit different now, kalm. Two of my in-laws are professors, as are most of my neighbors. Once they reach full professor, they suddenly teach only one, two max, classes per semester, with limited numbers of students...and they have assistants that do much of the teaching, and they all have profitable businesses on the side that are directly related to their teachings. Every...single...one...of...them...without...exception. Seriously, it is a game. They can't get fired and they go on cruise control. Once they have their classes set up the way they want to teach, they just walk through the motions and allow assitants to do the grunt work. And they find ways to limit the number of days they actually teach (finals for finals week...no way, that would mean the professor would not be able to get an early start on summer vacation).
The associate professors say they struggle with larger classes and fewer assistants. But the full professors are on easy street...no doubt about that.
Why would they need a profitable bidniz on the side when they already make astronomical pay and bennies?
Why would a CEO making $2MM/year need a $2MM bonus?
You should probably leave this thread...you aren't really making any sense.
My father was one of those evil, twisted ivory tower residents who trained 1000's of Eastern Washington kids to become the teachers that are educating area youth to this day. He didn't get rich off it, but cared deeply about his profession, worked his ass off, and was able to own a modest home, put his kid through school, and retire with dignity. Btw, he was a moderate Dem who voted for Reagan...and I'm guessing there were tons like him at directional universities throughout the land.
The over- paid teacher meme is one of the doofiest stereotypes out there. It reeks of ignorance, ungratefullness and class warfare.
Things are a bit different now, kalm. Two of my in-laws are professors, as are most of my neighbors. Once they reach full professor, they suddenly teach only one, two max, classes per semester, with limited numbers of students...and they have assistants that do much of the teaching, and they all have profitable businesses on the side that are directly related to their teachings. Every...single...one...of...them...without...exception. Seriously, it is a game. They can't get fired and they go on cruise control. Once they have their classes set up the way they want to teach, they just walk through the motions and allow assitants to do the grunt work. And they find ways to limit the number of days they actually teach (finals for finals week...no way, that would mean the professor would not be able to get an early start on summer vacation).
The associate professors say they struggle with larger classes and fewer assistants. But the full professors are on easy street...no doubt about that.
As you move up in any job and have more responsibilities, aren't you supposed to get more pay, perks, and benefits? Isn't that the point of paying your dues and working hard in life? My great-uncle worked for years (decade?) as an associate professor and when he finally got tenured, the university reduced his number of classes and he got more assistants. Of course that also means he's doing more research and works 50+ hour weeks. In fact the last time I talked to him he seemed completely swamped with work. Despite the reduced classes/students and increased pay, I certainly don't think he's on "cruise control."
Here's some of those productive sabbaticals from Iowa -
WHITE, SUSAN C., ASSOCIATE PROFESSOR, ART & ART HISTORY, SPRING SEMESTER
Professor White completed a series of 6 large paintings on canvas, many works on paper and a
number of painted Plexiglas installations. These recent pieces are being exhibited at the Center for
Contemporary Art in Wilmington Delaware, The Kenise Barnes Gallery in NY as well as Olson
Larsen Gallery in Des Moines and Simpson College in Iowa. In 2011 she will also be exhibiting at
the John Davis Gallery in Hudson NY and at the Cheryl McGinnis Gallery in NYC. Professor White
has also been awarded a series of three commissions in Long Island at a newly built Law School
and two private commissions in Los Angeles and NYC. Traveling throughout Spain and Morocco
allowed Professor White the opportunity to make gallery contacts and collect visual resource for her
painting.
Her salary is about $80,000.
WILCOX, JONATHAN, PROFESSOR, ENGLISH, SPRING SEMESTER
Professor Wilcox researched and began writing a book on Anglo-Saxon literature titled The Letter
Made Flesh: An Extreme Material Reading of the Word in Anglo-Saxon Culture. He used the
semester of the assignment to define the precise range of the book, to formulate a prospectus, and
to write one chapter, which will also see publication as a major journal article. In addition, he worked
up a lecture that responds to the discovery of the Staffordshire Hoard, a headline-making discovery
of treasure made in central England in 2009, which he delivered both internationally and in the state
of Iowa. He also crafted an essay on the significance of Beowulf and Old English literature within a
postcolonial context. In addition to seeing publication, all this research will inform his teaching of Old
English literature in both undergraduate and graduate courses.
His Salary is about $110,000 a year.
DERRICK K. ROLLINS, PROFESSOR, CHEMICAL AND BIOLOGICAL ENGINEERING AND
STATISTICS
Professor Rollins spent spring semester 2010 in Santa Barbara, California to collaborate with
researchers in glucose modeling for type 1 diabetics. This training will enable Iowa State faculty to
run clinical trials at Iowa State University. In May, Rollins started a clinical study under an NIH grant
and data collection is nearly complete. A new study will be started soon with a Juvenile Diabetes
Research Foundation grant. Two articles are being produced from the work with the collaborators at
the University of California at Santa Barbara and the Sansum Diabetes Institute. The collaboration
with medical professionals is important to the ability to conduct research and obtain funding for Iowa
State University research.
His salary is about $135,000 a year.
I could post more but of these three which one do you think the taxpayers of Iowa may see some real benefit from?
If fascism ever comes to America, it will come in the name of liberalism. Ronald Reagan, 1975.
houndawg wrote:
What happened to "they can't be fired"?
What happened to, "Professors get fired all the time?" State your source...put up numbers. Then find out why you left off the, "once they reach full professor" part of my post.
NEA says 2% of tenured faculty every year. Where is your source that says they can't be fired?
You matter. Unless you multiply yourself by c squared. Then you energy.
"I really love America. I just don't know how to get there anymore."John Prine
blueballs wrote:I've done some deals for college professors and they are cleaning up... all over $150k/yr with full benefits. What a fucking scam...
I guess you're putting your Phd to better use, right? I have two friends who are biology professors with full Phd's and one who is the head of the philosophy department at his university, full tenure. Only the department head pulls that kind of scratch. The other two are just north of 100k. All three went to Furman, and then to rather prestigious grad programs. I have another friend who is a contract professor for a major univ. in Chicago barely making rent money. He did his Phd at an Ivy. It's a tough market out there in higher ed, and they aren't just giving those Phd's away at the "real" schools.
blueballs wrote:The only better gig I've seen is working at the post office. I pre-qualified a guy a couple of weeks ago that made $80k/yr with full benefits as a window clerk at the post office- in his own words "selling stamps." That job is worth a quarter of that in the private sector. I pre-qualified another lady who earned $88k last year delivering the mail.... and we all wonder why the USPS is broke.
No shit! My paper delivery guy makes minimum wage, and I always get my paper. My mailman has put my mail in the wrong mailbox three times this month alone.
Dear lord... please allow this dangerous combination of hair spary, bat slobber, and D.O.T. four automatic transmission fluid to excite my mind, occupy my spirits, and enrage my body, provoking me to kick any man or woman in the back of the head regardless of what he or she has or has not done unto me. All my Best, Earlie Cuyler.
blueballs wrote:I've done some deals for college professors and they are cleaning up... all over $150k/yr with full benefits. What a **** scam...
I guess you're putting your Phd to better use, right? I have two friends who are biology professors with full Phd's and one who is the head of the philosophy department at his university, full tenure. Only the department head pulls that kind of scratch. The other two are just north of 100k. All three went to Furman, and then to rather prestigious grad programs. I have another friend who is a contract professor for a major univ. in Chicago barely making rent money. He did his Phd at an Ivy. It's a tough market out there in higher ed, and they aren't just giving those Phd's away at the "real" schools.
blueballs wrote:The only better gig I've seen is working at the post office. I pre-qualified a guy a couple of weeks ago that made $80k/yr with full benefits as a window clerk at the post office- in his own words "selling stamps." That job is worth a quarter of that in the private sector. I pre-qualified another lady who earned $88k last year delivering the mail.... and we all wonder why the USPS is broke.
No ****! My paper delivery guy makes minimum wage, and I always get my paper. My mailman has put my mail in the wrong mailbox three times this month alone.
I think the softest gig out there for a college grad is banking, what could easier than moving money from this pile to that one and keeping a little for yourself? For non-college you can't beat being a fireman. 24 on 48 off. Full bennies and plenty of time to have a gig on the side... postal service gigs will be fewer and harder in the future.
You matter. Unless you multiply yourself by c squared. Then you energy.
"I really love America. I just don't know how to get there anymore."John Prine
HI54UNI wrote:Here's some of those productive sabbaticals from Iowa -
WHITE, SUSAN C., ASSOCIATE PROFESSOR, ART & ART HISTORY, SPRING SEMESTER
Professor White completed a series of 6 large paintings on canvas, many works on paper and a
number of painted Plexiglas installations. These recent pieces are being exhibited at the Center for
Contemporary Art in Wilmington Delaware, The Kenise Barnes Gallery in NY as well as Olson
Larsen Gallery in Des Moines and Simpson College in Iowa. In 2011 she will also be exhibiting at
the John Davis Gallery in Hudson NY and at the Cheryl McGinnis Gallery in NYC. Professor White
has also been awarded a series of three commissions in Long Island at a newly built Law School
and two private commissions in Los Angeles and NYC. Traveling throughout Spain and Morocco
allowed Professor White the opportunity to make gallery contacts and collect visual resource for her
painting.
Her salary is about $80,000.
WILCOX, JONATHAN, PROFESSOR, ENGLISH, SPRING SEMESTER
Professor Wilcox researched and began writing a book on Anglo-Saxon literature titled The Letter
Made Flesh: An Extreme Material Reading of the Word in Anglo-Saxon Culture. He used the
semester of the assignment to define the precise range of the book, to formulate a prospectus, and
to write one chapter, which will also see publication as a major journal article. In addition, he worked
up a lecture that responds to the discovery of the Staffordshire Hoard, a headline-making discovery
of treasure made in central England in 2009, which he delivered both internationally and in the state
of Iowa. He also crafted an essay on the significance of Beowulf and Old English literature within a
postcolonial context. In addition to seeing publication, all this research will inform his teaching of Old
English literature in both undergraduate and graduate courses.
His Salary is about $110,000 a year.
DERRICK K. ROLLINS, PROFESSOR, CHEMICAL AND BIOLOGICAL ENGINEERING AND
STATISTICS
Professor Rollins spent spring semester 2010 in Santa Barbara, California to collaborate with
researchers in glucose modeling for type 1 diabetics. This training will enable Iowa State faculty to
run clinical trials at Iowa State University. In May, Rollins started a clinical study under an NIH grant
and data collection is nearly complete. A new study will be started soon with a Juvenile Diabetes
Research Foundation grant. Two articles are being produced from the work with the collaborators at
the University of California at Santa Barbara and the Sansum Diabetes Institute. The collaboration
with medical professionals is important to the ability to conduct research and obtain funding for Iowa
State University research.
His salary is about $135,000 a year.
I could post more but of these three which one do you think the taxpayers of Iowa may see some real benefit from?
It's the cultural waste land of Iowa. You guys could use some art and a better understanding of OE.
HI54UNI wrote:Here's some of those productive sabbaticals from Iowa -
WHITE, SUSAN C., ASSOCIATE PROFESSOR, ART & ART HISTORY, SPRING SEMESTER
Professor White completed a series of 6 large paintings on canvas, many works on paper and a
number of painted Plexiglas installations. These recent pieces are being exhibited at the Center for
Contemporary Art in Wilmington Delaware, The Kenise Barnes Gallery in NY as well as Olson
Larsen Gallery in Des Moines and Simpson College in Iowa. In 2011 she will also be exhibiting at
the John Davis Gallery in Hudson NY and at the Cheryl McGinnis Gallery in NYC. Professor White
has also been awarded a series of three commissions in Long Island at a newly built Law School
and two private commissions in Los Angeles and NYC. Traveling throughout Spain and Morocco
allowed Professor White the opportunity to make gallery contacts and collect visual resource for her
painting.
Her salary is about $80,000.
WILCOX, JONATHAN, PROFESSOR, ENGLISH, SPRING SEMESTER
Professor Wilcox researched and began writing a book on Anglo-Saxon literature titled The Letter
Made Flesh: An Extreme Material Reading of the Word in Anglo-Saxon Culture. He used the
semester of the assignment to define the precise range of the book, to formulate a prospectus, and
to write one chapter, which will also see publication as a major journal article. In addition, he worked
up a lecture that responds to the discovery of the Staffordshire Hoard, a headline-making discovery
of treasure made in central England in 2009, which he delivered both internationally and in the state
of Iowa. He also crafted an essay on the significance of Beowulf and Old English literature within a
postcolonial context. In addition to seeing publication, all this research will inform his teaching of Old
English literature in both undergraduate and graduate courses.
His Salary is about $110,000 a year.
DERRICK K. ROLLINS, PROFESSOR, CHEMICAL AND BIOLOGICAL ENGINEERING AND
STATISTICS
Professor Rollins spent spring semester 2010 in Santa Barbara, California to collaborate with
researchers in glucose modeling for type 1 diabetics. This training will enable Iowa State faculty to
run clinical trials at Iowa State University. In May, Rollins started a clinical study under an NIH grant
and data collection is nearly complete. A new study will be started soon with a Juvenile Diabetes
Research Foundation grant. Two articles are being produced from the work with the collaborators at
the University of California at Santa Barbara and the Sansum Diabetes Institute. The collaboration
with medical professionals is important to the ability to conduct research and obtain funding for Iowa
State University research.
His salary is about $135,000 a year.
I could post more but of these three which one do you think the taxpayers of Iowa may see some real benefit from?
The guy that has enough teaching assistants to do the diabetes research?
You matter. Unless you multiply yourself by c squared. Then you energy.
"I really love America. I just don't know how to get there anymore."John Prine
HI54UNI wrote:Here's some of those productive sabbaticals from Iowa -
WHITE, SUSAN C., ASSOCIATE PROFESSOR, ART & ART HISTORY, SPRING SEMESTER
Professor White completed a series of 6 large paintings on canvas, many works on paper and a
number of painted Plexiglas installations. These recent pieces are being exhibited at the Center for
Contemporary Art in Wilmington Delaware, The Kenise Barnes Gallery in NY as well as Olson
Larsen Gallery in Des Moines and Simpson College in Iowa. In 2011 she will also be exhibiting at
the John Davis Gallery in Hudson NY and at the Cheryl McGinnis Gallery in NYC. Professor White
has also been awarded a series of three commissions in Long Island at a newly built Law School
and two private commissions in Los Angeles and NYC. Traveling throughout Spain and Morocco
allowed Professor White the opportunity to make gallery contacts and collect visual resource for her
painting.
Her salary is about $80,000.
WILCOX, JONATHAN, PROFESSOR, ENGLISH, SPRING SEMESTER
Professor Wilcox researched and began writing a book on Anglo-Saxon literature titled The Letter
Made Flesh: An Extreme Material Reading of the Word in Anglo-Saxon Culture. He used the
semester of the assignment to define the precise range of the book, to formulate a prospectus, and
to write one chapter, which will also see publication as a major journal article. In addition, he worked
up a lecture that responds to the discovery of the Staffordshire Hoard, a headline-making discovery
of treasure made in central England in 2009, which he delivered both internationally and in the state
of Iowa. He also crafted an essay on the significance of Beowulf and Old English literature within a
postcolonial context. In addition to seeing publication, all this research will inform his teaching of Old
English literature in both undergraduate and graduate courses.
His Salary is about $110,000 a year.
DERRICK K. ROLLINS, PROFESSOR, CHEMICAL AND BIOLOGICAL ENGINEERING AND
STATISTICS
Professor Rollins spent spring semester 2010 in Santa Barbara, California to collaborate with
researchers in glucose modeling for type 1 diabetics. This training will enable Iowa State faculty to
run clinical trials at Iowa State University. In May, Rollins started a clinical study under an NIH grant
and data collection is nearly complete. A new study will be started soon with a Juvenile Diabetes
Research Foundation grant. Two articles are being produced from the work with the collaborators at
the University of California at Santa Barbara and the Sansum Diabetes Institute. The collaboration
with medical professionals is important to the ability to conduct research and obtain funding for Iowa
State University research.
His salary is about $135,000 a year.
I could post more but of these three which one do you think the taxpayers of Iowa may see some real benefit from?
It's the cultural waste land of Iowa. You guys could use some art and a better understanding of OE.
In other words, you got nothing....
If fascism ever comes to America, it will come in the name of liberalism. Ronald Reagan, 1975.
kalm wrote:
It's the cultural waste land of Iowa. You guys could use some art and a better understanding of OE.
In other words, you got nothing....
Weren't you the one who lumped all sabbaticals together.
Of course there are wasteful sabbaticals just like there are wasted fields of study. But there are many productive ones too. It's a part of the process.
I suppose if you ran a university you would prohibit sending your prof's abroad for continued education and gleaning things from other universities that could enhance the educational process at your own.
HI54UNI wrote:
In other words, you got nothing....
Weren't you the one who lumped all sabbaticals together.
Of course there are wasteful sabbaticals just like there are wasted fields of study. But there are many productive ones too. It's a part of the process.
I suppose if you ran a university you would prohibit sending your prof's abroad for continued education and gleaning things from other universities that could enhance the educational process at your own.
I never said all sabbaticals are a waste. But a lot of them are. I gave examples of two that are waste. And the taxpayers and the students are paying for them. Should we ask our employers to raise their rates so we can have 6 months off at full pay to "research" our jobs that will provide no tangible benefit to them?
If fascism ever comes to America, it will come in the name of liberalism. Ronald Reagan, 1975.
kalm wrote:
Weren't you the one who lumped all sabbaticals together.
Of course there are wasteful sabbaticals just like there are wasted fields of study. But there are many productive ones too. It's a part of the process.
I suppose if you ran a university you would prohibit sending your prof's abroad for continued education and gleaning things from other universities that could enhance the educational process at your own.
I never said all sabbaticals are a waste. But a lot of them are. I gave examples of two that are waste. And the taxpayers and the students are paying for them. Should we ask our employers to raise their rates so we can have 6 months off at full pay to "research" our jobs that will provide no tangible benefit to them?
There you go again with a blanket statement.
And since you didn't qualify your original remark regarding sabbaticals it's easy for one to assume you were generalizing.
Btw, companies can be wasteful too, and I personally of someone who was given a year and millions to develop a new product for a high profile tech company only to have the entire idea scrapped in the end.
He'll, it even happens in private/public partnerships. Remember that one plane developed for the military that was never used? I suppose the contractor was never paid .
HI54UNI wrote:
I never said all sabbaticals are a waste. But a lot of them are. I gave examples of two that are waste. And the taxpayers and the students are paying for them. Should we ask our employers to raise their rates so we can have 6 months off at full pay to "research" our jobs that will provide no tangible benefit to them?
There you go again with a blanket statement.
And since you didn't qualify your original remark regarding sabbaticals it's easy for one to assume you were generalizing.
Btw, companies can be wasteful too, and I personally of someone who was given a year and millions to develop a new product for a high profile tech company only to have the entire idea scrapped in the end.
He'll, it even happens in private/public partnerships. Remember that one plane developed for the military that was never used? I suppose the contractor was never paid .
Private money vs. taxpayer money.
And if you want to talk about military waste that is a whole other thread.
If fascism ever comes to America, it will come in the name of liberalism. Ronald Reagan, 1975.
If it were up to me I'd radically change the higher education paradigm with an eye towards what's really necessary to prepare a person getting a degree in a certain field to function in that field.
Well, I believe that I must tell the truth
And say things as they really are
But if I told the truth and nothing but the truth
Could I ever be a star? Deep Purple: No One Came
JohnStOnge wrote:If it were up to me I'd radically change the higher education paradigm with an eye towards what's really necessary to prepare a person getting a degree in a certain field to function in that field.
Fucking brilliant! Why has this not been thought of before?
kalm wrote:
Btw, companies can be wasteful too, and I personally of someone who was given a year and millions to develop a new product for a high profile tech company only to have the entire idea scrapped in the end.
He'll, it even happens in private/public partnerships. Remember that one plane developed for the military that was never used? I suppose the contractor was never paid .
Sweet Jesus. That's called R&D. Do you honestly think EVERY product or concept ever put to paper ends up being sold at the local Walmart?
"Ah fuck. You are right." KYJelly, 11/6/12
"The future must not belong to those who slander the prophet of Islam." Barack Obama, 9/25/12
kalm wrote:
Btw, companies can be wasteful too, and I personally of someone who was given a year and millions to develop a new product for a high profile tech company only to have the entire idea scrapped in the end.
He'll, it even happens in private/public partnerships. Remember that one plane developed for the military that was never used? I suppose the contractor was never paid .
Sweet Jesus. That's called R&D. Do you honestly think EVERY product or concept ever put to paper ends up being sold at the local Walmart?
That's EXACTLY the point I was making to HI5. When private firms do it, there's waste too. But it's called R&D so it's ok. When universities do it it's called a "Sabbatical" dunh, dunh, dunnnnnnhhh. Apparently universities shouldn't try to innovate and be more competitive.
AZGrizFan wrote:
Sweet Jesus. That's called R&D. Do you honestly think EVERY product or concept ever put to paper ends up being sold at the local Walmart?
That's EXACTLY the point I was making to HI5. When private firms do it, there's waste too. But it's called R&D so it's ok. When universities do it it's called a "Sabbatical" dunh, dunh, dunnnnnnhhh. Apparently universities shouldn't try to innovate and be more competitive.
Again private money at a business vs. taxpayer money at a public university.
If a public university can do R&D and sell the patents and make money I'm all for it. Iowa State, for example, has been very successful at doing that.
But a sabbatical to paint 6 paintings and travel the world to show them.
If fascism ever comes to America, it will come in the name of liberalism. Ronald Reagan, 1975.
