Via Rare:
According to a National Journal survey of top Democratic and Republican insiders overwhelming majorities in both parties say that the IRS scandal has hurt President Obama. Ninety percent of Democrats and 91 percent of Republicans say that the President has suffered at least some damage while 50 percent of Democrats and 77 percent of Republicans say the scandal has done serious damage to Obama.
Stay with me now...I'm agreeing with you.Ibanez wrote:What? You think our govt solved problems?DSUrocks07 wrote:
Which goes back to your original point...
D1B wrote:Ibanez wrote: No. I know Washington. Nothing will be done. You and I both know that the real problems won't be fixed. They never are. Washington doesn't fix anything. They put a band aid on it (debt ceiling, sequestration) or they do something drastic that makes more problems (Obamacare, No Child Left Behind.)
Baldy Jr.
Ibanez wrote:Hardly. I loathe party loyalists and the mentality.D1B wrote:
Baldy Jr.
Self-loathing isn't healthy, Bald One.Baldy wrote:Ibanez wrote: Hardly. I loathe party loyalists and the mentality.
Just as I loathe the ignorant.
More and more and more will come out about this Chicago gangWe’re going to punish our enemies and reward our friends that stand with us
BHO
Republicans Mike Kelly (PA-03) and Jim Renacci (OH-16) circulated a letter Thursday requesting Treasury Secretary Jack Lew release documents detailing the process and methodology the Automotive Task Force used to shut down General Motors dealerships in 2009 during the automotive industry crisis.
It's a little delayed, but better late than never I suppose.houndawg wrote:You don't think firing the top guy is a good first move?Ibanez wrote: That does nothing. That doesn't solve the failures of the IRS. He's done nothing.Transparent my ass.
With every post you attempt to deflect back to Bush. Maybe I was incorrect before, perhaps you're the biggest partisan hack on the site.houndawg wrote:He needs to be seen as hands on right now. And even Holder is an improvement over Alberto "Torture" Gonzales.Ibanez wrote: He's too arrogant and hands off. If he cared, Holder would've been let go a long time ago.
I didn't see that. Sorry, i'm reading on my iPhone and missed that.DSUrocks07 wrote:Stay with me now...I'm agreeing with you.Ibanez wrote: What? You think our govt solved problems?
My dad, god love him, is a close minded Republican like yourself.Baldy wrote:D1B wrote:
Baldy Jr.
StickyBunz isn't that lucky.
Yeah, lets fire a guy that was stepping down in less than a month. Holder needs to fired, the IRS needs a serious makeover. I was listening to the POTUS channel on SiriusXM and there was an old British guy named Llewellyn King who made many great points one of which was that Obama never translates his speeches into action i.e. transparency, closing GITMO, ending partisan gridlock.ASUMountaineer wrote:It's a little delayed, but better late than never I suppose.houndawg wrote:
You don't think firing the top guy is a good first move?
The guy was a temp whose term was set to expire in a few weeks in June. That wasn't a firing.ASUMountaineer wrote:It's a little delayed, but better late than never I suppose.houndawg wrote:
You don't think firing the top guy is a good first move?
You can say that again.BDKJMU wrote:The guy was a temp whose term was set to expire in a few weeks in June. That wasn't a firing.ASUMountaineer wrote:
It's a little delayed, but better late than never I suppose.
This firestorm will not end until there are NUMEROUS firings AND prosecutions.
ASUMountaineer wrote:With every post you attempt to deflect back to Bush. Maybe I was incorrect before, perhaps you're the biggest partisan hack on the site.houndawg wrote:
He needs to be seen as hands on right now. And even Holder is an improvement over Alberto "Torture" Gonzales.
Que?!?houndawg wrote:ASUMountaineer wrote:
With every post you attempt to deflect back to Bush. Maybe I was incorrect before, perhaps you're the biggest partisan hack on the site.
Nah, that's just throwing Ibanez something to snivel about. Holder is a mess all on his own. And you never know, this thing gets legs and he might be the next sandbag out of the balloon.
And I'm a registered Independent since '72. Voted for Obama in '04 and Willie in '08 and long ago expressed my opinion here about lack of change, particularly in the area of civil liberties. A lot of what you're taking as trying to deflect back to Bush is meant more to point out that when you do stupid shit like the DHS and the so-called Patriot Act that it can have consequences long after you are gone. Obama can now argue that he is just using the tools that were already in place when he got to the job, as will every future President in the continuing War on Civil Liberties of the bottom 95%. The Executive Branch is like a boa constrictor, every time you finish a breath they tighten up just a little and pretty soon.....
Que que? Oh! My bad - Obama in 08 and Willie in '12...the years go by so fast now...ASUG8 wrote:Que?!?houndawg wrote:
Nah, that's just throwing Ibanez something to snivel about. Holder is a mess all on his own. And you never know, this thing gets legs and he might be the next sandbag out of the balloon.
And I'm a registered Independent since '72. Voted for Obama in '04 and Willie in '08 and long ago expressed my opinion here about lack of change, particularly in the area of civil liberties. A lot of what you're taking as trying to deflect back to Bush is meant more to point out that when you do stupid **** like the DHS and the so-called Patriot Act that it can have consequences long after you are gone. Obama can now argue that he is just using the tools that were already in place when he got to the job, as will every future President in the continuing War on Civil Liberties of the bottom 95%. The Executive Branch is like a boa constrictor, every time you finish a breath they tighten up just a little and pretty soon.....
Blaming Bush is ridiculous. Obama is the executive in chief. Even with policies from another Administration, he has the power to enact change. If he doesn't then he is liable for the damage/problems that he creates because he chose to follow the policy. One of his biggest issues is that he isn't a manager. He has mismanaged every major political event since he came in. Wall Street is up, the economy is slowly improving. He should be enjoying this time but no, he's failed leadership and mismanagement (or lack thereof) is taking the public's attention away from that because of the scandals that have hit on his watch. Rahm Emmanuel has said countless times that he will sit in meetings, nod his head but never really listen. That's a problem.houndawg wrote:ASUMountaineer wrote:
With every post you attempt to deflect back to Bush. Maybe I was incorrect before, perhaps you're the biggest partisan hack on the site.
Nah, that's just throwing Ibanez something to snivel about. Holder is a mess all on his own. And you never know, this thing gets legs and he might be the next sandbag out of the balloon.
And I'm a registered Independent since '72. Voted for Obama in '04 and Willie in '08 and long ago expressed my opinion here about lack of change, particularly in the area of civil liberties. A lot of what you're taking as trying to deflect back to Bush is meant more to point out that when you do stupid shit like the DHS and the so-called Patriot Act that it can have consequences long after you are gone. Obama can now argue that he is just using the tools that were already in place when he got to the job, as will every future President in the continuing War on Civil Liberties of the bottom 95%. The Executive Branch is like a boa constrictor, every time you finish a breath they tighten up just a little and pretty soon.....
He set an impossibly high bar for himself in '07-'08. He was too inexperienced at the time to understand what it would take to enact the kind of sweeping change he was preaching. Instead, things are about where they were when he started, with the business cycle slowly churning upward as it would have done under any president.Ibanez wrote: He has to act vice react to achieve any goals. All he does is react. I voted for him in 2008 but not in 2012. I couldn't. He wasn't the person we thought he'd be.
So, you would have preferred he serve out his term? Obviously, more needs to be done and more people will need to go. I guess I don't understand your point...should he have stayed?Ibanez wrote:Yeah, lets fire a guy that was stepping down in less than a month. Holder needs to fired, the IRS needs a serious makeover. I was listening to the POTUS channel on SiriusXM and there was an old British guy named Llewellyn King who made many great points one of which was that Obama never translates his speeches into action i.e. transparency, closing GITMO, ending partisan gridlock.ASUMountaineer wrote:
It's a little delayed, but better late than never I suppose.
So, you believe he should have served out his term? That's mighty generous of you.BDKJMU wrote:The guy was a temp whose term was set to expire in a few weeks in June. That wasn't a firing.ASUMountaineer wrote:
It's a little delayed, but better late than never I suppose.
This firestorm will not end until there are NUMEROUS firings AND prosecutions.
I couldn't agree more.houndawg wrote:ASUMountaineer wrote:
With every post you attempt to deflect back to Bush. Maybe I was incorrect before, perhaps you're the biggest partisan hack on the site.
Nah, that's just throwing Ibanez something to snivel about. Holder is a mess all on his own. And you never know, this thing gets legs and he might be the next sandbag out of the balloon.
And I'm a registered Independent since '72. Voted for Obama in '04 and Willie in '08 and long ago expressed my opinion here about lack of change, particularly in the area of civil liberties. A lot of what you're taking as trying to deflect back to Bush is meant more to point out that when you do stupid **** like the DHS and the so-called Patriot Act that it can have consequences long after you are gone. Obama can now argue that he is just using the tools that were already in place when he got to the job, as will every future President in the continuing War on Civil Liberties of the bottom 95%. The Executive Branch is like a boa constrictor, every time you finish a breath they tighten up just a little and pretty soon.....
