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Justice Department Secrectly Tapped AP Phone Lines
And in a 3rd ongoing scandal breaking on the Obama admin, it was revealed the Obama Justice Department undertook an unprecedented tapping reporters phone lines:
Gov't obtains wide AP phone records in probe
WASHINGTON (AP) - The Justice Department secretly obtained two months of telephone records of reporters and editors for The Associated Press in what the news cooperative's top executive called a "massive and unprecedented intrusion" into how news organizations gather the news.
The records obtained by the Justice Department listed outgoing calls for the work and personal phone numbers of individual reporters, for general AP office numbers in New York, Washington and Hartford, Conn., and for the main number for the AP in the House of Representatives press gallery, according to attorneys for the AP. It was not clear if the records also included incoming calls or the duration of the calls.
In all, the government seized the records for more than 20 separate telephone lines assigned to AP and its journalists in April and May of 2012. The exact number of journalists who used the phone lines during that period is unknown, but more than 100 journalists work in the offices where phone records were targeted, on a wide array of stories about government and other matters.
In a letter of protest sent to Attorney General Eric Holder on Monday, AP President and Chief Executive Officer Gary Pruitt said the government sought and obtained information far beyond anything that could be justified by any specific investigation. He demanded the return of the phone records and destruction of all copies.
"There can be no possible justification for such an overbroad collection of the telephone communications of The Associated Press and its reporters. These records potentially reveal communications with confidential sources across all of the newsgathering activities undertaken by the AP during a two-month period, provide a road map to AP's newsgathering operations and disclose information about AP's activities and operations that the government has no conceivable right to know," Pruitt said.
The government would not say why it sought the records. Officials have previously said in public testimony that the U.S. attorney in Washington is conducting a criminal investigation into who may have provided information contained in a May 7, 2012, AP story about a foiled terror plot. The story disclosed details of a CIA operation in Yemen that stopped an al-Qaida plot in the spring of 2012 to detonate a bomb on an airplane bound for the United States.
In testimony in February, CIA Director John Brennan noted that the FBI had questioned him about whether he was AP's source, which he denied. He called the release of the information to the media about the terror plot an "unauthorized and dangerous disclosure of classified information."
Prosecutors have sought phone records from reporters before, but the seizure of records from such a wide array of AP offices, including general AP switchboards numbers and an office-wide shared fax line, is unusual.
In the letter notifying the AP, which was received Friday, the Justice Department offered no explanation for the seizure, according to Pruitt's letter and attorneys for the AP. The records were presumably obtained from phone companies earlier this year although the government letter did not explain that. None of the information provided by the government to the AP suggested the actual phone conversations were monitored.
Among those whose phone numbers were obtained were five reporters and an editor who were involved in the May 7, 2012, story.
The Obama administration has aggressively investigated disclosures of classified information to the media and has brought six cases against people suspected of providing classified information, more than under all previous presidents combined.
Rep. Darrell Issa, R-Calif., chairman of the investigative House Oversight and Government Reform Committee, said on CNN, "They had an obligation to look for every other way to get it before they intruded on the freedom of the press."
The American Civil Liberties Union said the use of subpoenas for a broad swath of records has a chilling effect both on journalists and whistleblowers who want to reveal government wrongdoing. "The attorney general must explain the Justice Department's actions to the public so that we can make sure this kind of press intimidation does not happen again," said Laura Murphy, the director of ACLU's Washington legislative office.
Rules published by the Justice Department require that subpoenas of records of news organizations must be personally approved by the attorney general, but it was not known if that happened in this case. The letter notifying AP that its phone records had been obtained through subpoenas was sent Friday by Ronald Machen, the U.S. attorney in Washington.
William Miller, a spokesman for Machen, said Monday that in general the U.S. attorney follows "all applicable laws, federal regulations and Department of Justice policies when issuing subpoenas for phone records of media organizations." But he would not address questions about the specifics of the AP records. "We do not comment on ongoing criminal investigations," Miller said in an email.
The Justice Department lays out strict rules for efforts to get phone records from news organizations. A subpoena can be considered only after "all reasonable attempts" have been made to get the same information from other sources, the rules say. It was unclear what other steps, in total, the Justice Department might have taken to get information in the case.
A subpoena to the media must be "as narrowly drawn as possible" and "should be directed at relevant information regarding a limited subject matter and should cover a reasonably limited time period," according to the rules.
The reason for these constraints, the department says, is to avoid actions that "might impair the news gathering function" because the government recognizes that "freedom of the press can be no broader than the freedom of reporters to investigate and report the news."
News organizations normally are notified in advance that the government wants phone records and then they enter into negotiations over the desired information. In this case, however, the government, in its letter to the AP, cited an exemption to those rules that holds that prior notification can be waived if such notice, in the exemption's wording, might "pose a substantial threat to the integrity of the investigation."
It is unknown whether a judge or a grand jury signed off on the subpoenas.
The May 7, 2012, AP story that disclosed details of the CIA operation in Yemen to stop an airliner bomb plot occurred around the one-year anniversary of the May 2, 2011, killing of Osama bin Laden.
The plot was significant both because of its seriousness and also because the White House previously had told the public it had "no credible information that terrorist organizations, including al-Qaida, are plotting attacks in the U.S. to coincide with the (May 2) anniversary of bin Laden's death."
The AP delayed reporting the story at the request of government officials who said it would jeopardize national security. Once officials said those concerns were allayed, the AP disclosed the plot, though the Obama administration continued to request that the story be held until the administration could make an official announcement.
The May 7 story was written by reporters Matt Apuzzo and Adam Goldman with contributions from reporters Kimberly Dozier, Eileen Sullivan and Alan Fram. They and their editor, Ted Bridis, were among the journalists whose April-May 2012 phone records were seized by the government.
Brennan talked about the AP story and investigation in written testimony to the Senate. "The irresponsible and damaging leak of classified information was made ... when someone informed the Associated Press that the U.S. Government had intercepted an IED (improvised explosive device) that was supposed to be used in an attack and that the U.S. Government currently had that IED in its possession and was analyzing it," he wrote.
He also defended the White House decision to discuss the plot afterward. "Once someone leaked information about interdiction of the IED and that the IED was actually in our possession, it was imperative to inform the American people consistent with Government policy that there was never any danger to the American people associated with this al-Qa'ida plot," Brennan told senators.
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Gov't obtains wide AP phone records in probe
WASHINGTON (AP) - The Justice Department secretly obtained two months of telephone records of reporters and editors for The Associated Press in what the news cooperative's top executive called a "massive and unprecedented intrusion" into how news organizations gather the news.
The records obtained by the Justice Department listed outgoing calls for the work and personal phone numbers of individual reporters, for general AP office numbers in New York, Washington and Hartford, Conn., and for the main number for the AP in the House of Representatives press gallery, according to attorneys for the AP. It was not clear if the records also included incoming calls or the duration of the calls.
In all, the government seized the records for more than 20 separate telephone lines assigned to AP and its journalists in April and May of 2012. The exact number of journalists who used the phone lines during that period is unknown, but more than 100 journalists work in the offices where phone records were targeted, on a wide array of stories about government and other matters.
In a letter of protest sent to Attorney General Eric Holder on Monday, AP President and Chief Executive Officer Gary Pruitt said the government sought and obtained information far beyond anything that could be justified by any specific investigation. He demanded the return of the phone records and destruction of all copies.
"There can be no possible justification for such an overbroad collection of the telephone communications of The Associated Press and its reporters. These records potentially reveal communications with confidential sources across all of the newsgathering activities undertaken by the AP during a two-month period, provide a road map to AP's newsgathering operations and disclose information about AP's activities and operations that the government has no conceivable right to know," Pruitt said.
The government would not say why it sought the records. Officials have previously said in public testimony that the U.S. attorney in Washington is conducting a criminal investigation into who may have provided information contained in a May 7, 2012, AP story about a foiled terror plot. The story disclosed details of a CIA operation in Yemen that stopped an al-Qaida plot in the spring of 2012 to detonate a bomb on an airplane bound for the United States.
In testimony in February, CIA Director John Brennan noted that the FBI had questioned him about whether he was AP's source, which he denied. He called the release of the information to the media about the terror plot an "unauthorized and dangerous disclosure of classified information."
Prosecutors have sought phone records from reporters before, but the seizure of records from such a wide array of AP offices, including general AP switchboards numbers and an office-wide shared fax line, is unusual.
In the letter notifying the AP, which was received Friday, the Justice Department offered no explanation for the seizure, according to Pruitt's letter and attorneys for the AP. The records were presumably obtained from phone companies earlier this year although the government letter did not explain that. None of the information provided by the government to the AP suggested the actual phone conversations were monitored.
Among those whose phone numbers were obtained were five reporters and an editor who were involved in the May 7, 2012, story.
The Obama administration has aggressively investigated disclosures of classified information to the media and has brought six cases against people suspected of providing classified information, more than under all previous presidents combined.
Rep. Darrell Issa, R-Calif., chairman of the investigative House Oversight and Government Reform Committee, said on CNN, "They had an obligation to look for every other way to get it before they intruded on the freedom of the press."
The American Civil Liberties Union said the use of subpoenas for a broad swath of records has a chilling effect both on journalists and whistleblowers who want to reveal government wrongdoing. "The attorney general must explain the Justice Department's actions to the public so that we can make sure this kind of press intimidation does not happen again," said Laura Murphy, the director of ACLU's Washington legislative office.
Rules published by the Justice Department require that subpoenas of records of news organizations must be personally approved by the attorney general, but it was not known if that happened in this case. The letter notifying AP that its phone records had been obtained through subpoenas was sent Friday by Ronald Machen, the U.S. attorney in Washington.
William Miller, a spokesman for Machen, said Monday that in general the U.S. attorney follows "all applicable laws, federal regulations and Department of Justice policies when issuing subpoenas for phone records of media organizations." But he would not address questions about the specifics of the AP records. "We do not comment on ongoing criminal investigations," Miller said in an email.
The Justice Department lays out strict rules for efforts to get phone records from news organizations. A subpoena can be considered only after "all reasonable attempts" have been made to get the same information from other sources, the rules say. It was unclear what other steps, in total, the Justice Department might have taken to get information in the case.
A subpoena to the media must be "as narrowly drawn as possible" and "should be directed at relevant information regarding a limited subject matter and should cover a reasonably limited time period," according to the rules.
The reason for these constraints, the department says, is to avoid actions that "might impair the news gathering function" because the government recognizes that "freedom of the press can be no broader than the freedom of reporters to investigate and report the news."
News organizations normally are notified in advance that the government wants phone records and then they enter into negotiations over the desired information. In this case, however, the government, in its letter to the AP, cited an exemption to those rules that holds that prior notification can be waived if such notice, in the exemption's wording, might "pose a substantial threat to the integrity of the investigation."
It is unknown whether a judge or a grand jury signed off on the subpoenas.
The May 7, 2012, AP story that disclosed details of the CIA operation in Yemen to stop an airliner bomb plot occurred around the one-year anniversary of the May 2, 2011, killing of Osama bin Laden.
The plot was significant both because of its seriousness and also because the White House previously had told the public it had "no credible information that terrorist organizations, including al-Qaida, are plotting attacks in the U.S. to coincide with the (May 2) anniversary of bin Laden's death."
The AP delayed reporting the story at the request of government officials who said it would jeopardize national security. Once officials said those concerns were allayed, the AP disclosed the plot, though the Obama administration continued to request that the story be held until the administration could make an official announcement.
The May 7 story was written by reporters Matt Apuzzo and Adam Goldman with contributions from reporters Kimberly Dozier, Eileen Sullivan and Alan Fram. They and their editor, Ted Bridis, were among the journalists whose April-May 2012 phone records were seized by the government.
Brennan talked about the AP story and investigation in written testimony to the Senate. "The irresponsible and damaging leak of classified information was made ... when someone informed the Associated Press that the U.S. Government had intercepted an IED (improvised explosive device) that was supposed to be used in an attack and that the U.S. Government currently had that IED in its possession and was analyzing it," he wrote.
He also defended the White House decision to discuss the plot afterward. "Once someone leaked information about interdiction of the IED and that the IED was actually in our possession, it was imperative to inform the American people consistent with Government policy that there was never any danger to the American people associated with this al-Qa'ida plot," Brennan told senators.
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Yeah...and there's no WAY that our benevolent government would EVER use a gun registry database for anything other than "good".
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This is appalling. I don't see how even the most loyal donk partisan hack could defend this and/or the IRS debacle. 
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More like "Business as Usual" from Mr. Hope and Change than appalling.ASUMountaineer wrote:This is appalling. I don't see how even the most loyal donk partisan hack could defend this and/or the IRS debacle.
The White House has been using the IRS and illegal wiretaps against its political enemies since at least the Nixon administration and its so easy to do now that 24/7 surveillance is whats for dinner in these United States. If the technology exists it will be used.
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Most transparent administration ever.houndawg wrote:More like "Business as Usual" from Mr. Hope and Change than appalling.ASUMountaineer wrote:This is appalling. I don't see how even the most loyal donk partisan hack could defend this and/or the IRS debacle.![]()
The White House has been using the IRS and illegal wiretaps against its political enemies since at least the Nixon administration and its so easy to do now that 24/7 surveillance is whats for dinner in these United States. If the technology exists it will be used.
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Oh, well in that case, it's not appalling at all, and I apologize to the administration, the DOJ, and the IRS.houndawg wrote:More like "Business as Usual" from Mr. Hope and Change than appalling.ASUMountaineer wrote:This is appalling. I don't see how even the most loyal donk partisan hack could defend this and/or the IRS debacle.![]()
The White House has been using the IRS and illegal wiretaps against its political enemies since at least the Nixon administration and its so easy to do now that 24/7 surveillance is whats for dinner in these United States. If the technology exists it will be used.
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AZGrizFan wrote:Yeah...and there's no WAY that our benevolent government would EVER use a gun registry database for anything other than "good".
Fucking gullible morons....
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+6.93 on the pathetic scale.ASUMountaineer wrote:Oh, well in that case, it's not appalling at all, and I apologize to the administration, the DOJ, and the IRS.houndawg wrote:
More like "Business as Usual" from Mr. Hope and Change than appalling.![]()
The White House has been using the IRS and illegal wiretaps against its political enemies since at least the Nixon administration and its so easy to do now that 24/7 surveillance is whats for dinner in these United States. If the technology exists it will be used.![]()
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Awww...are we experiencing that not-so-fresh feeling? There there now, sweetheart....just because it isn't appalling doesn't mean it isn't wrong. But you need to buck up because it is here to stay forever; if they have the technology they will do it and there isn't anything you can do about it.ASUMountaineer wrote:Oh, well in that case, it's not appalling at all, and I apologize to the administration, the DOJ, and the IRS.houndawg wrote:
More like "Business as Usual" from Mr. Hope and Change than appalling.![]()
The White House has been using the IRS and illegal wiretaps against its political enemies since at least the Nixon administration and its so easy to do now that 24/7 surveillance is whats for dinner in these United States. If the technology exists it will be used.![]()
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Oh how ironic!!!!!
Now it will be interesting to see if the media, which has been running interference for 0bama and his criminal crony Holder (of Fast and Furious fame), will "turn on their own."
Will they continue to protect and cheerlead for the administration or will they circle the wagons and protect a member of their own ranks?
Now it will be interesting to see if the media, which has been running interference for 0bama and his criminal crony Holder (of Fast and Furious fame), will "turn on their own."
Will they continue to protect and cheerlead for the administration or will they circle the wagons and protect a member of their own ranks?
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Holder announced that he will recuse himself from the investigation.
I'm relieved. This is sure to be a fair and objective investigation. We can trust the DOJ.
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blueballs wrote: 0bama
0 vs. O.
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John Stewart said pretty much the same thing on last nights show.AZGrizFan wrote:Yeah...and there's no WAY that our benevolent government would EVER use a gun registry database for anything other than "good".
Fucking gullible morons....
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Obama isn't the first to turn on his own. Reagan did it, too....

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Holder wants to avoid "even the appearance of a conflict of interest."CitadelGrad wrote:Holder announced that he will recuse himself from the investigation.
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Perhaps he learned that from your boys on the SCOTUS.Ivytalk wrote:Holder wants to avoid "even the appearance of a conflict of interest."CitadelGrad wrote:Holder announced that he will recuse himself from the investigation.
I'm relieved. This is sure to be a fair and objective investigation. We can trust the DOJ.
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Obushma...funny how some on the left are just now seeing that. 
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What a weak response. It is appalling.houndawg wrote:Awww...are we experiencing that not-so-fresh feeling? There there now, sweetheart....just because it isn't appalling doesn't mean it isn't wrong. But you need to buck up because it is here to stay forever; if they have the technology they will do it and there isn't anything you can do about it.ASUMountaineer wrote:
Oh, well in that case, it's not appalling at all, and I apologize to the administration, the DOJ, and the IRS.![]()
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The difference between you and me is that I'm not a partisan hack. It's appalling if it happens under the watch of any politician from any party. You're child-like response ("he did it first") is a perfect example of why we are in the messes we are in. Everyone is in CYA or shift-blame mode rather than, "let's get this fixed" mode. Remove your donk blinders and look at this objectively. It is appalling and steps need to be taken to 1) punish those responsible and 2) ensure it doesn't happen again.
It's funny to think how different your response would be if Obama had an "R" beside his name.
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houndawg discredits himself every time he posts. One has to at least admire his consistency.ASUMountaineer wrote: What a weak response. It is appalling.
The difference between you and me is that I'm not a partisan hack. It's appalling if it happens under the watch of any politician from any party. You're child-like response ("he did it first") is a perfect example of why we are in the messes we are in. Everyone is in CYA or shift-blame mode rather than, "let's get this fixed" mode. Remove your donk blinders and look at this objectively. It is appalling and steps need to be taken to 1) punish those responsible and 2) ensure it doesn't happen again.
It's funny to think how different your response would be if Obama had an "R" beside his name.
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PARTIAL Transcript of D1B's first press conference:
D1B: Where's Helen Thomas at? I wanna give her a big fat French kiss on her big fat ugly mouth.
Reporter: Er, she retired three years ago after making anti-Semitic remarks.
D1B: That's OK! She was a Donk! And who needs the Joos anyway? Next?
Jonathan Karl, ABC: People in Washington have been saying that President Obama has lost control of his second-term agenda due to Benghazi, the IRS scandal, and the AP matter. What does the White House say to that?
D1B: Fuck you. Next?
Soledad O'Brien, CNN: What does the White House have to say about Kathleen Sebelius strong-arming corporations for financial support of ObamaCare?
D1B: Sibelius was one of the greatest composers who ever lived and, being a Finn, was committed to single-payer health care. And what's your phone number, sweet cheeks? I thought you were one of us! Next!
Bill O'Reilly, Fox News: Mr. D1B, rumor has it that you got your job because you had "the goods" on Jay Carney's next-door neighbor. Care to comment?
D1B: No, you Conk Faux-News piece of shit! Fuck anyone named O'Reilly, and fuck you!
Guido Sarducci, Vatican Observer: Does President Obama have any plans to visit Pope Francis I?
D1B: No, he doesn't, you worthless little child-molester. Next? [SUDDEN POWER OUTAGE]
PARTIAL Transcript of D1B's first press conference:
D1B: Where's Helen Thomas at? I wanna give her a big fat French kiss on her big fat ugly mouth.
Reporter: Er, she retired three years ago after making anti-Semitic remarks.
D1B: That's OK! She was a Donk! And who needs the Joos anyway? Next?
Jonathan Karl, ABC: People in Washington have been saying that President Obama has lost control of his second-term agenda due to Benghazi, the IRS scandal, and the AP matter. What does the White House say to that?
D1B: Fuck you. Next?
Soledad O'Brien, CNN: What does the White House have to say about Kathleen Sebelius strong-arming corporations for financial support of ObamaCare?
D1B: Sibelius was one of the greatest composers who ever lived and, being a Finn, was committed to single-payer health care. And what's your phone number, sweet cheeks? I thought you were one of us! Next!
Bill O'Reilly, Fox News: Mr. D1B, rumor has it that you got your job because you had "the goods" on Jay Carney's next-door neighbor. Care to comment?
D1B: No, you Conk Faux-News piece of shit! Fuck anyone named O'Reilly, and fuck you!
Guido Sarducci, Vatican Observer: Does President Obama have any plans to visit Pope Francis I?
D1B: No, he doesn't, you worthless little child-molester. Next? [SUDDEN POWER OUTAGE]
“I’m tired and done.” — 89Hen 3/27/22.
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Re: Justice Department Secrectly Tapped AP Phone Lines
1) IRS targeted political groups from both sides that were trying to abuse the non-profit status (i.e doing their job), following rules set down by Congress. Blame them.ASUMountaineer wrote:This is appalling. I don't see how even the most loyal donk partisan hack could defend this and/or the IRS debacle.
2) DOJ followed the rules set down by Congress. Blame them
3) Where was the fauxrage when the IRS was targeting liberal groups under Bush? Where was the Fauxrage when the Bush admin was ILLEGALLY tapping reporters phones in 2003-2006?
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Re: Justice Department Secrectly Tapped AP Phone Lines
dback duly responds to "ping" for "most loyal donk partisan hack."dbackjon wrote:1) IRS targeted political groups from both sides that were trying to abuse the non-profit status (i.e doing their job), following rules set down by Congress. Blame them.ASUMountaineer wrote:This is appalling. I don't see how even the most loyal donk partisan hack could defend this and/or the IRS debacle.
2) DOJ followed the rules set down by Congress. Blame them
3) Where was the fauxrage when the IRS was targeting liberal groups under Bush? Where was the Fauxrage when the Bush admin was ILLEGALLY tapping reporters phones in 2003-2006?
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Re: Justice Department Secrectly Tapped AP Phone Lines
Wow, deflection is your game. Dback, be better than that.dbackjon wrote:1) IRS targeted political groups from both sides that were trying to abuse the non-profit status (i.e doing their job), following rules set down by Congress. Blame them.ASUMountaineer wrote:This is appalling. I don't see how even the most loyal donk partisan hack could defend this and/or the IRS debacle.
2) DOJ followed the rules set down by Congress. Blame them
3) Where was the fauxrage when the IRS was targeting liberal groups under Bush? Where was the Fauxrage when the Bush admin was ILLEGALLY tapping reporters phones in 2003-2006?
1) The IRS has admitted to targeting conservative groups while not using the same standards against liberal groups. Additionally, the IRS provided confidential documents from conservative applicants to liberal groups.
Would you please post the rules set by Congress regarding two sets of standards based on political ideology and the disclosure of confidential information?
Do you even have a clue about what's going on?
2) The AP disagrees with your statement that has no support. So much for transparency.
3) Please link to the news reports of the IRS targeting liberal groups under Bush. If that happened, it's appalling. Any illegal wire tapping is wrong and everyone should be outraged, as I was then. I was and am against the PATRIOT Act, you know, the act Obama has done nothing to repeal.
The buck has to stop somewhere, except with Obama. Right? How is it that the president doesn't find out about these scandals until he sees news reports? He's either being untruthful, or is incompetent.
Dback, you've always been a partisan hack, but this is just sad.
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