NASCAR 2013 Discussion

[BDKJMU]

Stewart & Logano fight & post race interviews. Damn!
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DAVwqUaCanQ[/youtube]

[BDKJMU]

Just read on ESPN that Denny Hamlin suffered an L1 compression fracture in his back.

http://espn.go.com/racing/nascar/cup/st ... n-fracture

You probably saw right after the race that Logano said in reference to Hamlin wrecking, ""He probably shouldn't have done what he did last week, so that's what he gets."
Although at that point, he didn't know Hamlin was hurt that bad.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/na ... 0/2019497/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Logano has now had feuds with Harvivck, Hamlin, Stewart, and probably others. Logano better watch his back...

All this is good for NASCAR ratings....

[BDKJMU]

Results last 2 races:

Bristol:
1 Kasey Kahne
2 Kyle Busch
3 Brad Keselowski
4 Kurt Busch
5 Clint Bowyer
6 Dale Earnhardt Jr.
7 Ryan Newman
8 Brian Vickers
9 Paul Menard
10 Jamie McMurray
11 Gred Biffle
12 Martin Truex Jr.
13 A.J. Allmendinger
14 Kevin Harvick
15 Casey Mears
16 Ricky Stenhouse Jr.
17 Joey Logano
18 Carl Edwards
19 Marcus Ambrose
20 David Stremme
21 David Reagan
22 Jimmie Johnson
23 Denny Hamlin
24 David Gilliland
25 Terry Labonte
26 Josh Wise
27 J.J. Yeley
28 Danica Patrick
29 Joe Nemechek
30 Juan Pablo Montoya
31 Tony Stewart
32 Jeff Burton
33 Landon Cassill
34 Jeff Gordon
35 Matt Kenseth
36 Dave Blaney
37 Aric Almirola
38 Travis Kvapil
39 David Reutimann
40 Scott Speed
41 Bobby Labonte
42 Michael McDowell
43 Mike Bliss

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California:
1 Kyle Busch
2 Dale Earnhardt Jr.
3 Joey Logano
4 Carl Edwards
5 Kurt Busch
6 Greg Biffle
7 Matt Kenseth
8 Paul Menard
9 Kasey Kahne
10 Ryan Newman
11 Jeff Gordon
12 Jimmie Johnson
13 Kevin Harvick
14 Aric Almirola
15 Casey Mears
16 A.J. Allmendinger
17 Jeff Burton
18 Martin Truex Jr.
19 Jamie McMurray
20 Ricky Stenhouse Jr.
21 Dave Blaney
22 Tony Stewart
23 Brad Keselowski
24 David Ragan
25 Denny Hamlin
26 Danica Patrick
27 J.J. Yeley
28 Bobby Labonte
29 David Gilliland
30 Landon Cassill
31 David Stremme
32 Joe Nemechek
33 David Reutimann
34 Travis Kvapil
35 Clint Bowyer
36 Marcos Ambrose
37 Mark Martin
38 Juan Pablo Montoya
39 Timmy Hill
40 Josh Wise
41 Scott Riggs
42 Michael McDowell
43 Mike Bliss
http://nascar.speedtv.com/sprint-cup/re ... sc_id=5367" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[BDKJMU]

Standings after 5 of 24 races before Chase:
POS +/- DRIVER PTS BEHIND STARTS POLES WINS TOP 5 TOP 10
1 1 Dale Earnhardt Jr. 199 0 5 0 0 3 5
2 -1 Brad Keselowski 187 -12 5 0 0 4 4
3 0 Jimmie Johnson 183 -16 5 0 1 2 3
4 4 Carl Edwards 164 -35 5 0 1 3 3
5 0 Greg Biffle 164 -35 5 0 0 0 2
6 4 Kyle Busch 163 -36 5 1 1 3 3
7 0 Kasey Kahne 159 -40 5 0 1 2 3
8 1 Paul Menard 154 -45 5 0 0 0 3
9 3 Joey Logano 146 -53 5 0 0 1 1
10 -4 Denny Hamlin 145 -54 5 1 0 1 1
11 2 Matt Kenseth 141 -58 5 0 1 1 3
12 -1 Ricky Stenhouse Jr. 139 -60 5 0 0 0 0
13 3 Kurt Busch 137 -62 5 0 0 2 2
14 -10 Clint Bowyer 137 -62 5 0 0 1 2
15 2 Kevin Harvick 130 -69 5 0 0 0 1
16 -2 Jamie McMurray 125 -74 5 0 0 0 1
17 3 Aric Almirola 125 -74 5 0 0 0 0
18 3 Jeff Gordon 123 -76 5 0 0 0 1
19 -1 Martin Truex Jr. 122 -77 5 0 0 0 1
20 3 Ryan Newman 121 -78 5 0 0 1 3
21 1 Casey Mears 118 -81 5 0 0 0 0
22 2 Tony Stewart 108 -91 5 0 0 0 1
23 -8 Marcos Ambrose 107 -92 5 0 0 0 0
24 1 Jeff Burton 105 -94 5 0 0 0 1
25 -6 Mark Martin 102 -97 4 1 0 1 1

26-52 it really doesn't matter...
http://nascar.speedtv.com/sprint-cup/standings/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[93henfan]

Stewart & Logano fight & post race interviews. Damn!
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DAVwqUaCanQ[/youtube]

Tony Stewart is awesome.

[93henfan]

And the caution flag is out at Richmond.

Apparently somebody forgot to turn the timer off on the sprinkler system.

First time I've seen that.

[grizzaholic]

And the caution flag is out at Richmond.

Apparently somebody forgot to turn the timer off on the sprinkler system.

First time I've seen that.

Why was that? Water on the track shouldn't cause any issues...

But what about the pit guys getting into it after the Busch race and getting arrested. I heard there was a kick to the nuts by someone.

[93henfan]

And the caution flag is out at Richmond.

Apparently somebody forgot to turn the timer off on the sprinkler system.

First time I've seen that.

Why was that? Water on the track shouldn't cause any issues...

But what about the pit guys getting into it after the Busch race and getting arrested. I heard there was a kick to the nuts by someone.

I assume you're joking, but if not... NASCAR runs slicks.

[grizzaholic]

Why was that? Water on the track shouldn't cause any issues...

But what about the pit guys getting into it after the Busch race and getting arrested. I heard there was a kick to the nuts by someone.

I assume you're joking, but if not... NASCAR runs slicks.

I guess I need to start using more smilies.

[93henfan]

*BREAKING*

Danica Patrick passed Denny Hamlin in the point standings on Saturday.

Granted, Hamlin broke his back in a crash five races ago and has missed the last four starts, but Danica is now ahead of him, so this is a great achievement for women.

Make no mistake. A woman can drive a car as good as any man who has a broken back and cannot compete for over a month.

[grizzaholic]

*BREAKING*

Danica Patrick passed Denny Hamlin in the point standings on Saturday.

Granted, Hamlin broke his back in a crash five races ago and has missed the last four starts, but Danica is now ahead of him, so this is a great achievement for women.

Not sure what this "news" has to do with the actual NASCAR discussion

[93henfan]

*BREAKING*

Danica Patrick passed Denny Hamlin in the point standings on Saturday.

Granted, Hamlin broke his back in a crash five races ago and has missed the last four starts, but Danica is now ahead of him, so this is a great achievement for women.

Not sure what this "news" has to do with the actual NASCAR discussion

Do you hate women? Do you not believe in equality?

Airfare to Saudi Arabia is on special right now.

[ASUMountaineer]

*BREAKING*

Danica Patrick passed Denny Hamlin in the point standings on Saturday.

Granted, Hamlin broke his back in a crash five races ago and has missed the last four starts, but Danica is now ahead of him, so this is a great achievement for women.

Make no mistake. A woman can drive a car as good as any man who has a broken back and cannot compete for over a month.

[Ibanez]

Did anyone see Danica on the Colbert Report last week?

[BDKJMU]

NASCAR been dropping the hammer with fines & suspensions 3 and 2 races ago. Not this past weekend.

Week before last NASCAR dropped the hammer on Penske:

"Penske appeal to be heard May 1

CHARLOTTE, N.C. -- Penske Racing's appeal of penalties issued to reigning Sprint Cup champion Brad Keselowski and Joey Logano will be held on May 1.

The appeal will be heard by three members selected from the National Stock Car Racing Commission.

Keselowski and Logano were docked 25 points each when NASCAR confiscated what were deemed unapproved rear end housing parts during inspection before the April 13 Texas race.

Their crew chiefs, car chiefs and head engineers -- as well as competition director Travis Geisler -- were suspended for six points races and the May 18 All-Star race.

The crew chiefs also were fined $100,000 each.

The suspensions were put on hold pending the outcome of the appeal, which means the crews for both drivers will be intact for Saturday night's race at Richmond International Raceway as they were on Sunday at Kansas Speedway.

If the panel stands by NASCAR's ruling, Penske Racing has the option to go to the final appeal stage in which chief appellate officer John Middlebrook makes the ruling after hearing from both sides.

NASCAR has referred to the confiscated parts as unapproved because they were altered to move in a way that officials have told teams was off-limits.

Penske Racing says the parts were approved and will argue that the organization simply was working in a gray area that other teams have explored. Team officials also believe the penalties were too stiff for parts that were never used in a race.

"It's a reach based on alleged infractions that I saw,'' Walt Czarnecki, the vice chairman of Penske Racing, told ESPN.com. "I haven't heard NASCAR's rationale as to why.''

Logano said during a Tuesday during a press event promoting the May 18 All-Star race and May 26 Coca-Cola 600 at Charlotte Motor Speedway the teams are in the preliminary stages for preparing for what will happen if the suspensions stand.

"We need to prepare for the worst and hope for the best,'' he said. "We'll bring in some extra people [at Richmond] to have some overlap on our team to prepare if the appeal doesn't go the way we expect it to. We need to always do that.

"Penske racing has a lot of depth in the company. They're very strong. We'll get through this.''

Logano fell from ninth in points to 14th after the penalty. He fell to 20th after a hard crash on Sunday at Kansas left him with a 39th-place finish.

Keselowski finished sixth at Kansas to move from fourth to third in the standings.

"The teams are really dealing with it well,'' Logano said. "They understand that we want to win races and push as hard as we can to win races. Everyone's been really supportive of Penske Racing from the top to bottom.

"I'm glad to see that and no one rolling over and wanting to push harder and still wanting those wins. That's what makes a strong organization in my eyes.''"
http://espn.go.com/racing/nascar/cup/st ... no-heard-1" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

This past week they dropped the hammer on Kenseth and JGR:

"Latest on Matt Kenseth, Joe Gibbs penalties

Following his victory in the STP 400 Sprint Cup Series race at Kansas Speedway, the engine in Matt Kenseth's car was found to have a connecting rod lighter than the minimum weight specified in the rule book, and the result was an avalanche of NASCAR penalties -- including 50 points docked from the driver, a six-week suspension and $200,000 fine levied against the crew chief, and the owner's license frozen for six weeks.
As this story continues to unfold and appeal hearings are heard, be sure to check back for the latest coverage from NASCAR.com.

Appeal date set

Joe Gibbs Racing will present its case to a three-member panel at the NASCAR Research & Development Center in Concord, N.C., on May 8. Gibbs has said his organization will argue that the penalties levied for a failed post-race inspection were too harsh."
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/latest-mat ... 00467.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[BDKJMU]

Standing after 9 of 24 races before Chase:

POS +/- DRIVER PTS BEHIND STARTS POLES WINS TOP 5 TOP 10
1 0 Jimmie Johnson 343 0 9 1 2 4 6
2 4 Carl Edwards 300 -43 9 0 1 4 5
3 -1 Kasey Kahne 297 -46 9 0 1 4 5
4 1 Dale Earnhardt Jr. 297 -46 9 0 0 3 6
5 3 Clint Bowyer 290 -53 9 0 0 4 5
6 -3 Brad Keselowski 284 -59 9 0 0 4 7
7 0 Kyle Busch 278 -65 9 2 2 5 5
8 -4 Greg Biffle 272 -71 9 0 0 1 4
9 2 Kevin Harvick 271 -72 9 0 1 1 2
10 -1 Paul Menard 271 -72 9 0 0 0 4
11 1 Aric Almirola 258 -85 9 0 0 0 3
12 -2 Jamie McMurray 245 -98 9 0 0 0 3
13 1 Matt Kenseth 241 -102 9 2 2 2 5
14 1 Jeff Gordon 235 -108 9 0 0 1 2
15 -2 Martin Truex Jr. 231 -112 9 0 0 2 3
16 1 Ryan Newman 229 -114 9 0 0 1 4
17 3 Joey Logano 228 -115 9 0 0 3 3
18 0 Ricky Stenhouse Jr. 224 -119 9 0 0 0 0
19 4 Jeff Burton 218 -125 9 0 0 1 2
20 2 Kurt Busch 216 -127 9 0 0 2 3
21 -5 Mark Martin 207 -136 8 1 0 1 3
22 -1 Tony Stewart 207 -136 9 0 0 0 1
23 -4 Marcos Ambrose 195 -148 9 0 0 0 1
24 3 Juan Pablo Montoya 183 -160 9 0 0 1 1
25 -1 Casey Mears 183 -160 9 0 0 0 0
26 -1 Danica Patrick 169 -174 9 1 0 0 1
27 1 Bobby Labonte 152 -191 9 0 0 0 0
28 -2 Denny Hamlin 145 -198 5 1 0 1 1
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http://nascar.speedtv.com/sprint-cup/standings/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[93henfan]

I bet JGR penalty is reduced and Penske stays the same. Gibbs' penalty was too harsh.

[BDKJMU]

I bet JGR penalty is reduced and Penske stays the same. Gibbs' penalty was too harsh.

Agreed.

[BDKJMU]

Heck a finish to Talledega this past Sunday, with 2 big ones, a 3 1/2 hr rain delay, and Regan going from 10th with 2 laps to go to 5th with a lap to go to winning it.

Big 1 #1, lap 43, 13 cars involved:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jv6ltKpP92I[/youtube]

[BDKJMU]

The Big One #2 with 6 laps to go:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NYTPQrovA0k[/youtube]

[BDKJMU]

Final 2 laps:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S35n20PrJRk[/youtube]

[BDKJMU]

I bet JGR penalty is reduced and Penske stays the same. Gibbs' penalty was too harsh.

Yep on JGR, announced today:

"Joe Gibbs Racing team wins NASCAR penalty reduction

.........The three-member National Stock Car Racing Commission appeals panel stripped many of the most severe elements of the penalty to Matt Kenseth's team, including a reduction in points (50 to 12) and in the suspension for crew chief Jason Ratcliff (six races to one).

In addition, Kenseth's Kansas victory now will count toward Chase contention and Gibbs will be able to collect owner points for the next six races (he would have been banned from doing so had the penalty stood). The driver moves from 11th to fourth in the point standings.

Meanwhile, the appeals panel -- Dover President Denis McGlynn, Stafford Motor Speedway track operator Mark Arute and former team owner Jack Housby -- increased the penalty for manufacturer Toyota (from five to seven)..........."
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/na ... n/2144659/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[BDKJMU]

I bet JGR penalty is reduced and Penske stays the same. Gibbs' penalty was too harsh.

Wrong on Penske- they did get a slight reduction:

"Penske suspensions reduced by four races on appeal

CONCORD, N.C. — Penske Racing won a slight victory Tuesday in its final appeal of penalties to its two Sprint Cup teams, as National Stock Car Racing Chief Appellate Officer John Middlebrook reduced seven team members' suspensions from six to two races.

Middlebrook left intact the points penalties and fines to the teams of defending series champion Brad Keselowski and Joey Logano. But now the key crewmen from the Nos. 2 and 22 will miss only Saturday's Southern 500 at Darlington Raceway and the Coca-Cola 600 on May 26 at Charlotte Motor Speedway. They also will be absent from the Sprint All-Star Race, an exhibition held on May 18 at Charlotte, but can return for the June 2 race at Dover International Speedway.

Team owner Roger Penske said he was very happy with Middlebrook's decision.........."
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/na ... l/2141817/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[93henfan]

Points are all that really matters. I figured they'd reduce the point penalties on JGR and make no change to Penske and that's exactly what happened. I guarantee the teams will find a way to get the money back to the crew members in some way.