Complete Bullshit

[polsongrizz]

http://news.yahoo.com/taking-monsanto-p ... 14622.html

Fresh off a big win in Congress, the pro-GMO lobby is working its legislative magic again—this time at the state level.

If passed, an Oregon law would prevent individual towns and counties from regulating the planting, production and sale of genetically engineered crops and products. Behind Oregon's Senate Bill 633—which could come to a vote as early as the end of this week—are cleverly named advocacy groups like Oregonians for Food and Shelter, which actually are lobbyist groups for biotech giants that produce GMO seeds.

And the language of the law is tricky too. “This bill never mentions the word genetic engineering or GMO once—it’s merely a preemption about seeds,” Ivan Maluski, Policy Director for Friends of Family Farmers, tells TakePart. “It applies to county and local regulations on the display, notification, planting, and planting of seeds, as well as the products.”

Essentially, the law would limit local governments from passing any legislation relating to seeds (either vegetable or flower seeds) and their products. “Makes legislative finding and declaration that regulation of agricultural seed, flower seed and vegetable seed and products of agricultural seed, flower seed and vegetable seed be reserved to state,” is how its stated in SB 633.

“It’s actually incredibly broad. It goes way beyond GMO crops. It could affect protecting certain orchards from an invasive species. It poses a real threat to a lot of different agricultural operations where they are regulated at the local level.”

Maluski sees the state bill as a pre-emptive attack on efforts by residents of Jackson County, which is near the California stateline, to force a vote that would ban the planting of genetically engineered crops in the district.

“The reason that so many in Jackson County want to see GMO propagation criminalized is not to limit the freedoms of their fellow farmers or to jeopardize their livelihoods, it is because they want to protect and maintain their freedom to choose, and to maintain and protect their livelihoods,” wrote farmer A.J. Boulton to agriculture news website Capital Press.

Senate Bill 633, should it pass, would render any regulations on genetically modified crops—not just bans, like so many in Jackson County want to see—illegal.

[AZGrizFan]

“The reason that so many in Jackson County want to see GMO propagation criminalized is not to limit the freedoms of their fellow farmers or to jeopardize their livelihoods, it is because they want to protect and maintain their freedom to choose, and to maintain and protect their livelihoods,” wrote farmer A.J. Boulton to agriculture news website Capital Press.

Senate Bill 633, should it pass, would render any regulations on genetically modified crops—not just bans, like so many in Jackson County want to see—illegal.

THAT is the bullshit, right there. Seriously, who the fuck does that jackass think he's kidding? The attempted passage of that bill most certainly IS limiting the freedoms and in fact directly contradicts his statement that they want to maintain their freedom "to choose". They're specifically telling EVERY farming in Jackson County what they can and cannot plant. They are ELIMINATING their freedom to choose. What a jackwagon.

[Ursus A. Horribilis]

Holy shit dude (pols) as a guy that says he likes food I can't believe that you want to let the like of Monsanto and so forth get away the shit they have gotten away with for years.

That stuff is destroying the small farmers crops because it seeds on their land and takes over and then the corporate farms are able to take over their crops because it's a trademarked product.

At least I think that's what you are suggesting? It seems far away from what I would have guessed your take on it would be so I'm confused.

Heirloom man, not GMO

[polsongrizz]

Holy shit dude (pols) as a guy that says he likes food I can't believe that you want to let the like of Monsanto and so forth get away the shit they have gotten away with for years.

That stuff is destroying the small farmers crops because it seeds on their land and takes over and then the corporate farms are able to take over their crops because it's a trademarked product.

At least I think that's what you are suggesting? It seems far away from what I would have guessed your take on it would be so I'm confused.

Heirloom man, not GMO

Dude, you need a beer, I would hope every crazy person who decides to take his anger out on the American public to do some good. They should start with Monsanto, Archer Daniels, Syngenta, Foster Farms, etc. By Bullshit, I mean passing this is so fucking fucked up that it just confirms how little those in charge care about the American public these days.

[polsongrizz]

BTW, I use these guys...http://www.seedsavers.org/Catalog.html. They have shit I have never even heard of before.

[Ursus A. Horribilis]

Holy shit dude (pols) as a guy that says he likes food I can't believe that you want to let the like of Monsanto and so forth get away the shit they have gotten away with for years.

That stuff is destroying the small farmers crops because it seeds on their land and takes over and then the corporate farms are able to take over their crops because it's a trademarked product.

At least I think that's what you are suggesting? It seems far away from what I would have guessed your take on it would be so I'm confused.

Heirloom man, not GMO

Dude, you need a beer, I would hope every crazy person who decides to take his anger out on the American public to do some good. They should start with Monsanto, Archer Daniels, Syngenta, Foster Farms, etc. By Bullshit, I mean passing this is so fucking fucked up that it just confirms how little those in charge care about the American public these days.

I guess I mistook what you were saying then? I'm confused, nevermind.

[Ursus A. Horribilis]

Cool link too pols.

[polsongrizz]

Dude, you need a beer, I would hope every crazy person who decides to take his anger out on the American public to do some good. They should start with Monsanto, Archer Daniels, Syngenta, Foster Farms, etc. By Bullshit, I mean passing this is so fucking fucked up that it just confirms how little those in charge care about the American public these days.

I guess I mistook what you were saying then? I'm confused, nevermind.

I'm old so I confuse easily also That company is one of the best I have found to order seed from.

[Pwns]

If anyone tells you the right has a monopoly on going against science that clashes with their world view, kick 'em and remind them of the GMO issue.

[kalm]

If anyone tells you the right has a monopoly on going against science that clashes with their world view, kick 'em and remind them of the GMO issue.

The GMO issue is driven by the right?

[JohnStOnge]

That stuff is destroying the small farmers crops because it seeds on their land and takes over and then the corporate farms are able to take over their crops because it's a trademarked product.

I shake my head a lot at all of the paranoia about genetically modified crops. It kind of reminds me of the irradiation thing. But if THAT's true...the thing about corporate farms being able to take over other farmers crops, etc....that's pretty bad.

But is that true?

[polsongrizz]

That stuff is destroying the small farmers crops because it seeds on their land and takes over and then the corporate farms are able to take over their crops because it's a trademarked product.

I shake my head a lot at all of the paranoia about genetically modified crops. It kind of reminds me of the irradiation thing. But if THAT's true...the thing about corporate farms being able to take over other farmers crops, etc....that's pretty bad.

But is that true?

It is true. They start with the pretense that they have found GMO crops on your land, which BTW blew there from the asshole next door. That gives them the legal right to confiscate your whole crop because you are now considered a thief. When they take your crops they also take and destroy seed that is unadulterated. As time goes on you go broke.
BTW, these companies spent around 45 Million last year in CA to stop the Labeling of GMO food.

[UNI88]

I shake my head a lot at all of the paranoia about genetically modified crops. It kind of reminds me of the irradiation thing. But if THAT's true...the thing about corporate farms being able to take over other farmers crops, etc....that's pretty bad.

But is that true?

It is true. They start with the pretense that they have found GMO crops on your land, which BTW blew there from the asshole next door. That gives them the legal right to confiscate your whole crop because you are now considered a thief. When they take your crops they also take and destroy seed that is unadulterated. As time goes on you go broke.
BTW, these companies spent around 45 Million last year in CA to stop the Labeling of GMO food.

Pols is correct, this crap happens. IMO, if you have a trademarked seed it should be your responsibility to make sure the damn wind doesn't blow it onto the farm next door. You're not stealing the product, the farm where it comes from isn't containing it.

[polsongrizz]

It is true. They start with the pretense that they have found GMO crops on your land, which BTW blew there from the asshole next door. That gives them the legal right to confiscate your whole crop because you are now considered a thief. When they take your crops they also take and destroy seed that is unadulterated. As time goes on you go broke.
BTW, these companies spent around 45 Million last year in CA to stop the Labeling of GMO food.

Pols is correct, this crap happens. IMO, if you have a trademarked seed it should be your responsibility to make sure the damn wind doesn't blow it onto the farm next door. You're not stealing the product, the farm where it comes from isn't containing it.

Exactly, and how it should work is that the GMO farmer is the one who should be be sued for not only ruining his neighbors crop but for also ruining seed that is getting harder and harder to find these days.

[Ursus A. Horribilis]

Pols is correct, this crap happens. IMO, if you have a trademarked seed it should be your responsibility to make sure the damn wind doesn't blow it onto the farm next door. You're not stealing the product, the farm where it comes from isn't containing it.

Exactly, and how it should work is that the GMO farmer is the one who should be be sued for not only ruining his neighbors crop but for also ruining seed that is getting harder and harder to find these days.

Let's get that movement going. If the fucker next door is painting his house and oversprays paint onto your house is he supposed to fix it or does he now get your house.

[kalm]

Exactly, and how it should work is that the GMO farmer is the one who should be be sued for not only ruining his neighbors crop but for also ruining seed that is getting harder and harder to find these days.

Let's get that movement going. If the fucker next door is painting his house and oversprays paint onto your house is he supposed to fix it or does he now get your house.

If he has the political clout and lobbying dollars of big AG, he gets to own your house.

[CID1990]

I blew my seeds all over the college of charleston campus when I was yojnde


Sent from the center of the universe.

[Cap'n Cat]

Good section on the Monsanto GMO deal in this monumental documentary, Food, Inc.

Shameful.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6ZavVJ7YLA[/youtube]