bible...really???

[grizzaholic]

Kalm might be in trouble

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Letting people without testicles into church. Whether you've been castrated or lost one or two balls to cancer isn't important. The Bible doesn't get that specific. It just says you can't pray.

Deuteronomy 23:1 reads (this is the God's Word translation, which spells it out better), "A man whose testicles are crushed or whose penis is cut off may never join the assembly of the Lord."

Oh, and the next verse says that if you're a bastard, the child of a bastard... or even have a great-great-great-great-great-great-great-grandchild of a bastard, you can't come to church or synagogue either. Deuteronomy 23:2 reads, "No one of illegitimate birth shall enter the assembly of the Lord; none of his descendants, even to the tenth generation, shall enter the assembly of the Lord."

[Ibanez]

Do not charge a fellow Israelite interest, whether on money or food or anything else that may earn interest.

~Deuteronomy 23:19

I bet that isn't followed.

[Ibanez]

Deuteronomy really has some interesting "laws" or rules.

"Suppose a man marries a woman but she does not please him. Having discovered something wrong with her, he writes her a letter of divorce, hands it to her, and sends her away from his house."

"These are the animals you may eat: the ox, the sheep, the goat, the deer, the gazelle, the roe deer, the wild goat, the ibex, the antelope and the mountain sheep"

"You may eat any animal that has a divided hoof and that chews the cud."

[grizzaholic]

Deuteronomy really has some interesting "laws" or rules.

"Suppose a man marries a woman but she does not please him. Having discovered something wrong with her, he writes her a letter of divorce, hands it to her, and sends her away from his house."

"These are the animals you may eat: the ox, the sheep, the goat, the deer, the gazelle, the roe deer, the wild goat, the ibex, the antelope and the mountain sheep"

"You may eat any animal that has a divided hoof and that chews the cud."

This right here might be my biggest problem with the bible. The MAGICAL animal is not allowed to be consumed.

The day the pigs disappear, is the day I die.

[Ibanez]

Deuteronomy really has some interesting "laws" or rules.

"Suppose a man marries a woman but she does not please him. Having discovered something wrong with her, he writes her a letter of divorce, hands it to her, and sends her away from his house."

"These are the animals you may eat: the ox, the sheep, the goat, the deer, the gazelle, the roe deer, the wild goat, the ibex, the antelope and the mountain sheep"

"You may eat any animal that has a divided hoof and that chews the cud."

This right here might be my biggest problem with the bible. The MAGICAL animal is not allowed to be consumed.

The day the pigs disappear, is the day I die.

In Leviticus you can't marry your brothers wife or a divorced woman. In Dueterononmy, you are required to mary your brothers wife (widow) and you are allow to marry a divorced woman.

[grizzaholic]

This right here might be my biggest problem with the bible. The MAGICAL animal is not allowed to be consumed.

The day the pigs disappear, is the day I die.

In Leviticus you can't marry your brothers wife or a divorced woman. In Dueterononmy, you are required to mary your brothers wife (widow) and you are allow to marry a divorced woman.

I am talking about the magical animal and you bring up marriage and divorce??? What is wrong with you???

Read this thread then you can come back to the discussion

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[JohnStOnge]

Makes sense to me.

But, seriously guys, the idea is that the Old Testament was no longer in effect once Christ did his thing. You have to look at the New Testament and try to figure out if it's still in effect. And my bet is you'd find that having crushed testicles is no longer an exclusion.

[dbackjon]

Makes sense to me.

But, seriously guys, the idea is that the Old Testament was no longer in effect once Christ did his thing. You have to look at the New Testament and try to figure out if it's still in effect. And my bet is you'd find that having crushed testicles is no longer an exclusion.

So Jesus spoke out against divorce, said ZERO about homosexuality. But every fucking church in the South has programs and classes for divorced members and preaches HATRED against gays and lesbans.

[Ibanez]

In Leviticus you can't marry your brothers wife or a divorced woman. In Dueterononmy, you are required to mary your brothers wife (widow) and you are allow to marry a divorced woman.

I am talking about the magical animal and you bring up marriage and divorce??? What is wrong with you???

Read this thread then you can come back to the discussion

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You don't love your pigs? I thought pigs and marriage were common in your parts.

[Ibanez]

Makes sense to me.

But, seriously guys, the idea is that the Old Testament was no longer in effect once Christ did his thing. You have to look at the New Testament and try to figure out if it's still in effect. And my bet is you'd find that having crushed testicles is no longer an exclusion.

So Jesus spoke out against divorce, said ZERO about homosexuality. But every fucking church in the South has programs and classes for divorced members and preaches HATRED against gays and lesbans.

Not just the South. These churches are all over the country.

[Ibanez]

Makes sense to me.

But, seriously guys, the idea is that the Old Testament was no longer in effect once Christ did his thing. You have to look at the New Testament and try to figure out if it's still in effect. And my bet is you'd find that having crushed testicles is no longer an exclusion.

That's wrong. If the OT weren't ineffect it wouldn't be read. The 10 commandments wouldn't be followed. The parables, etc.. would be void.

[∞∞∞]

Makes sense to me.

But, seriously guys, the idea is that the Old Testament was no longer in effect once Christ did his thing. You have to look at the New Testament and try to figure out if it's still in effect. And my bet is you'd find that having crushed testicles is no longer an exclusion.

So Jesus spoke out against divorce, said ZERO about homosexuality. But every fucking church in the South has programs and classes for divorced members and preaches HATRED against gays and lesbians.

My favorite are the gay conversion "therapy" programs some of these places run. When my friend's mother was initially in denial, she sent him to one. Guess what? He's still gay and once his mom finally accepted the fact, you could feel the tense cloud around his family dissipate and see the love returning.

ps. My friend thought the guy trying to convert him was a closet homosexual.

[kalm]

"Things happen for a reason"

"God works in mysterious ways"

So God writes this mumbo jumbo in the bible and then goes and knowingly takes one of my nads?

FTS...dude has some explainin to do.

[kalm]

So Jesus spoke out against divorce, said ZERO about homosexuality. But every fucking church in the South has programs and classes for divorced members and preaches HATRED against gays and lesbians.

My favorite are the gay conversion "therapy" programs some of these places run. When my friend's mother was initially in denial, she sent him to one. Guess what? He's still gay and once his mom finally accepted the fact, you could feel the tense cloud around his family dissipate and see the love returning.

ps. My friend thought the guy trying to convert him was a closet homosexual.

I guarantee you that anyone who is that fervently anti-homosexual is projecting.

[grizzaholic]

I am talking about the magical animal and you bring up marriage and divorce??? What is wrong with you???

Read this thread then you can come back to the discussion

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You don't love your pigs? I thought pigs and marriage were common in your parts.

Pigs don't last that long around here. They end up getting butchered into goodness. Hell, even Grizo is raising a little one...but he got hungry one evening so the little guy is half the porker he once was.

[JohnStOnge]

So Jesus spoke out against divorce, said ZERO about homosexuality. But every **** church in the South has programs and classes for divorced members and preaches HATRED against gays and lesbans.

Jesus never addressed the question of homosexuality but Paul did and that's part of the New Testament.

Look...I'm not a Christian. I'm an agnostic. But I was raised in a devoutly Catholic family, went to Catholic schools, etc. Also I've been to a number of "Bible Believing" protestant churches and listened to what they have to say. Married to a woman raised in the Baptist tradition. Also listen regularly to apologist Ravi Zacharias when I'm on the way to work in the morning (he comes on at 5:30 am). You can make fun of that but what I'm talking about are tapes of him going to places like Oxford and Harvard and such being in debates with atheists, taking questions from students, etc. Anyway it is clear that there is a distinction between Old and New Testaments, that Christians do not believe that all of the law of the Old Testament is in effect, etc.

You get in a debate about stuff like that with somebody like Ravi Zacharias and you will lose. I promise you. This thing of people "on the outside" getting into things like the homosexuality debate and thinking they've REALLY got something by pointing to the laws spelled out in books like Deuteronomy and Leviticus is either intellectual dishonesty or it reflects a complete misunderstanding of how Christians view the Bible.

[JohnStOnge]

but every **** church in the South has programs and classes for divorced members and preaches HATRED against gays and lesbans.

Well, I haven't been to every church in the South but I've been to a number of them and I've never seen anyone preach hatred against homosexuals. Yes, they say homosexuality activity is sinful. But they do not preach hatred of anyone. They basically say that we are all sinners who have fallen short of the glory of God. They preach loving the sinner but hating the sin. They say that nobody deserves salvation but Jesus Christ died on the cross for our sins so we get the free gift of grace and salvation. That sort of thing. There is no hate.

I think the "hate" thing comes in when people who don't like what they have to say want to demagogue in order to marginalize them.

[CID1990]

Makes sense to me.

But, seriously guys, the idea is that the Old Testament was no longer in effect once Christ did his thing. You have to look at the New Testament and try to figure out if it's still in effect. And my bet is you'd find that having crushed testicles is no longer an exclusion.

Damn I was going to post the same thing.

I laugh at the hardcore fundamentalists who quote the Old Testament.

Big JC pretty much wiped his ass with it.


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[CID1990]

Makes sense to me.

But, seriously guys, the idea is that the Old Testament was no longer in effect once Christ did his thing. You have to look at the New Testament and try to figure out if it's still in effect. And my bet is you'd find that having crushed testicles is no longer an exclusion.

So Jesus spoke out against divorce, said ZERO about homosexuality. But every **** church in the South has programs and classes for divorced members and preaches HATRED against gays and lesbans.

No church I ever went to preached hatred against anyone, Jon. I know they are out there, but simply saying it is wrong is a conviction, and opinion. I don't suspect the bible thumpers of acting in bad faith. Try being less of a drama queen.


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[andy7171]

Makes sense to me.

But, seriously guys, the idea is that the Old Testament was no longer in effect once Christ did his thing. You have to look at the New Testament and try to figure out if it's still in effect. And my bet is you'd find that having crushed testicles is no longer an exclusion.

Damn I was going to post the same thing.

I laugh at the hardcore fundamentalists who quote the Old Testament.

Big JC pretty much wiped his ass with it.


Sent from the center of the universe.

This.

[D1B]

Damn I was going to post the same thing.

I laugh at the hardcore fundamentalists who quote the Old Testament.

Big JC pretty much wiped his ass with it.


Sent from the center of the universe.

This.

Really?

New Testament Verses Which Demand Following the Old Testament and Law Contradictions:

I hear so many Christians now a days claim that the Old Testament is defunct for Jesus was the “lamb” to clear away its rules and regulations. This is just another bullshit scapegoat that Christians use to ignore the atrocities and bizarre laws commanded by their god. Their preachers spoon feed them that the Old Testament is no longer binding so that they can excuse the majority of evil that the bible promotes. I am so tired of Christians manipulating the scriptures so that they can assign a kinder nature to their God, that I have assembled a BRIEF list of verses which clearly show that the Old Testament is not to be ignored. Its laws should indeed be adhered to, for the New Testament demands it!

1) “For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass the law until all is accomplished. Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.” (Matthew 5:18-19 RSV) Clearly the Old Testament is to be abided by until the end of human existence itself. None other then Jesus said so.

2) All of the vicious Old Testament laws will be binding forever. "It is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass away than for the smallest part of the letter of the law to become invalid." (Luke 16:17 NAB)

3) Jesus strongly approves of the law and the prophets. He hasn’t the slightest objection to the cruelties of the Old Testament. "Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. I have come not to abolish but to fulfill. Amen, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest part or the smallest part of a letter will pass from the law, until all things have taken place." (Matthew 5:17 NAB)

3b) "All scripture is inspired by God and is useful for teaching, for refutation, for correction, and for training in righteousness..." (2 Timothy 3:16 NAB)

3c) "Know this first of all, that there is no prophecy of scripture that is a matter of personal interpretation, for no prophecy ever came through human will; but rather human beings moved by the holy Spirit spoke under the influence of God." (2 Peter 20-21 NAB)

4) Jesus criticizes the Jews for not killing their disobedient children according to Old Testament law. Mark.7:9-13 "Whoever curses father or mother shall die" (Mark 7:10 NAB)

5) Jesus is criticized by the Pharisees for not washing his hands before eating. He defends himself by attacking them for not killing disobedient children according to the commandment: “He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death.” (Matthew 15:4-7)

6) Jesus has a punishment even worse than his father concerning adultery: God said the act of adultery was punishable by death. Jesus says looking with lust is the same thing and you should gouge your eye out, better a part, than the whole. The punishment under Jesus is an eternity in Hell. (Matthew 5:27)

7) Peter says that all slaves should “be subject to [their] masters with all fear,” to the bad and cruel as well as the “good and gentle.” This is merely an echo of the same slavery commands in the Old Testament. 1 Peter 2:18

8) “Did not Moses give you the law, and yet none of you keepeth the law" (John7:19) and “For the law was given by Moses,..." (John 1:17).

9) “...the scripture cannot be broken.” --Jesus Christ, John 10:35

Do your homework, catholics and christians.


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[D1B]

Damn I was going to post the same thing.

I laugh at the hardcore fundamentalists who quote the Old Testament.

Big JC pretty much wiped his ass with it.


Sent from the center of the universe.

This.

What Would Jesus Do?



Advocate child abuse and murder amongst many other cruelties.

Christians are always claiming, “he’s the lamb”, “our savior”, “the king of peace”, “the embodiment of love”, amongst the many other names they associate with a loving, merciful nature. Jesus a nice guy? Not in my book. Nor in any other person’s who is capable of compassion and rationality. Let’s examine who the hell the Jesus character really is. These verses will show not only is Jesus’ “loving” nature a joke but so are the Christians who worship him. Jesus’ real mission to come to earth:

Jesus says that he has come to destroy families by making family members hate each other. He has “come not to send peace, but a sword.” Matthew 10:34

Jesus says, “Don’t imagine that I came to bring peace on earth! No, rather a sword lf you love your father, mother, sister, brother, more than me, you are not worthy of being mine. “The real beauty of this verse is that Jesus demands people truly love him more then they love their own family. I ask you how can we love someone that we can not see or interact with? Love is an emotion pertaining to physical existence not to faithful ideologies, yet God threatens you with Death just because your love for your mother maybe stronger than your love for him. Matthew 10:34

Families will be torn apart because of Jesus. “Brother shall deliver up the brother to death, and the father the child: and the children shall rise up against their parents, and cause them to be put to death." Matthew 10:21

Jesus strongly approves of the law and the prophets. He hasn’t the slightest objection to the cruelties of the Old Testament. Matthew 5:17


Jesus advocates murder and death:

Jesus condemns entire cities to dreadful deaths and to the eternal torment of hell because they didn’t care for his preaching. Matthew 11:20

Jesus, whose clothes are dipped in blood, has a sharp sword sticking out of his mouth. Thus attired, he treads the winepress of the wrath of God. (The winepress is the actual press that humans shall be put into so that we may be ground up.) Revelations 19:13-15

The beast and the false prophet are cast alive into a lake of fire. The rest of us the unchosen will be killed with the sword of Jesus. “An all the fowls were filled with their flesh.” Revelations 19:20-21


Jesus says he is the only way to salvation yet he purposely disillusions us so that we will go to hell:

Jesus explains that the reason he speaks in parables is so that no one will understand him, “lest . . . they . . . should understand . . . and should be converted, and I should heal them.” Matthew 13:10-15

Jesus explains why he speaks in parables to confuse people so they will go to hell. Mark 4:11-12


Jesus advocates child abuse:

Jesus is criticized by the Pharisees for not washing his hands before eating. He defends himself by attacking them for not killing disobedient children according to the commandment: “He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death.” Matthew 15:4-7

Abandon your wife and children for Jesus and he’ll give your a big reward. Jesus asks that his followers abandon their children to follow him. To leave your child is abuse, it’s called neglect, pure and simple. Matthew 19:29

Jesus criticizes the Jews for not killing their disobedient children according to Old Testament law. Mark 7:9



A few other things about Jesus:

Jesus says that those who have been less fortunate in this life will have it even worse in the life to come. Mark 4:25

Jesus sends the devils into 2000 pigs, causing them to jump off a cliff and be drowned in the sea. Clearly Jesus could have simply sent the devils out, yet he chose instead to place them into pigs and kill them. This is called animal abuse. Mark 5:12-13

Jesus kills a fig tree for not bearing figs, even though it was out of season. Jesus must not be as smart as Christians would have us believe, for he was retarded enough to do something this silly. You’d think the son of god (god incarnate) would know that trees don’t bear fruit in dry season. Mark 11:13

Luke 12:47 Jesus okays beating slaves.

Andy, who do you love more, your daughters or Jesus?

[mainejeff]

I use Bibles to start my wood stove.

[D1B]

Matthew: Cruelty

Those who bear bad fruit will be cut down and burned "with unquenchable fire." 3:10, 12

Jesus strongly approves of the law and the prophets. He hasn't the slightest objection to the cruelties of the Old Testament. 5:17

Jesus recommends that to avoid sin we cut off our hands and pluck out our eyes. This advice is given immediately after he says that anyone who looks with lust at any women commits adultery. 5:29-30

Jesus says that most people will go to hell. 7:13-14

Those who fail to bear "good fruit" will be "hewn down, and cast into the fire." 7:19

"The children of the kingdom [the Jews] shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth." 8:12

Jesus tells a man who had just lost his father: "Let the dead bury the dead." 8:21

Jesus sends some devils into a herd of pigs, causing them to run off a cliff and drown in the waters below. 8:32

Cities that neither "receive" the disciples nor "hear" their words will be destroyed by God. It will be worse for them than for Sodom and Gomorrah. And you know what God supposedly did to those poor folks (see Gen 19:24). 10:14-15

Families will be torn apart because of Jesus (this is one of the few "prophecies" in the Bible that has actually come true). "Brother shall deliver up the brother to death, and the father the child: and the children shall rise up against their parents, and cause them to be put to death." 10:21

Jesus says that we should fear God who is willing and "able to destroy both soul and body in hell." 10:28

Jesus says that he has come to destroy families by making family members hate each other. He has "come not to send peace, but a sword." 10:34-36

Jesus condemns entire cities to dreadful deaths and to the eternal torment of hell because they didn't care for his preaching. 11:20-24

Jesus will send his angels to gather up "all that offend" and they "shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth." 13:41-42, 50

Jesus is criticized by the Pharisees for not washing his hands before eating. He defends himself by attacking them for not killing disobedient children according to the commandment: "He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death." (See Ex 21:15, Lev 20:9, Dt 21:18-21) So, does Jesus think that children who curse their parents should be killed? It sure sounds like it. 15:4-7

"Every plant, which my heavenly Father hath not planted, shall be rooted up." 15:13

Jesus advises his followers to mutilate themselves by cutting off their hands and plucking out their eyes. He says it's better to be "maimed" than to suffer "everlasting fire." 18:8-9

In the parable of the unforgiving servant, the king threatens to enslave a man and his entire family to pay for a debt. This practice, which was common at the time, seems not to have bothered Jesus very much. The parable ends with this: "So likewise shall my heavenly Father do also unto you." If you are cruel to others, God will be cruel to you. 18:23-35

"And his lord was wroth, and delivered him to the tormentors." 18:34

God is like a rich man who owns a vineyard and rents it to poor farmers. When he sends servants to collect the rent, the tenants beat or kill them. So he sent his son to collect the rent, and they kill him too. Then the owner comes and kills the farmers and rents the vineyard to others. 21:33-41

"Whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder." Whoever falls on "this stone" (Jesus) will be broken, and whomever the stone falls on will be ground into powder. 21:44

In the parable of the marriage feast, the king sends his servants to gather everyone they can find, both bad and good, to come to the wedding feast. One guest didn't have on his wedding garment, so the king tied him up and "cast him into the outer darkness" where "there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth." 22:1-14

The end of the world will be signaled by wars, famines, disease, and earthquakes (6-7). And that's just "the beginning of sorrows" (8). Next believers will be hated and killed by unbelievers (9), believers will hate and betray each other (10), false prophets will fool people (11), iniquity will abound and love wax cold (12). But hey, if you make through all that, you'll be saved (13).

Only one more thing will happen before the end comes: the gospel will be preached throughout the world (14). Well, that and the abomination of desolations will stand in the holy place (15), many false Christs and false prophets will show great signs and wonders (24), the sun and moon will be darkened and the stars will fall (29), the sign of the son of Man will appear in the sky, everyone on earth will mourn, and then, finally, the great and powerful son of Man will come in all his glory (30).

Oh, and all these things will happen within the lifespan of Jesus' contemporaries (34).

Or maybe not. Jesus was talking about things he knew nothing about (36). (See Mark 13:32.) 24:3-51

Jesus had no problem with the idea of drowning everyone on earth in the flood. It'll be just like that when he returns. 24:37

God will come when people least expect him and then he'll "cut them asunder." And "there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth." 24:50-51

The parable of the cruel and unjust master
The kingdom of heaven is like a rich man who distributed his wealth to his servants while he traveled. He gave five talents (a talent was a unit of money, worth about 20 years of a worker's wages) to one servant, two to another, and one to a third. When he returned, the servant with five talents had made five more, the servant with two made two more, but the servant with one talent only had the talent his master entrusted to him. The master rewarded the servants that invested his money (without his permission -- what would have happened if the stock market went down during their master's travels?) and took the talent from the single-talent servant and gave it to the one with ten talents. "For unto every one that hath shall be given .. but from him that hath not shall be taken away even that which he hath." Then the cruel and unjust master cast the servant who carefully protected his master's talent into the "outer darkness: [where] there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth." 25:14-30

The servant who kept and returned his master's talent was cast into the "outer darkness" where there will be "weeping and gnashing of teeth." 25:30

Jesus judges the nations. 25:31-46

Jesus tells us what he has planned for those that he dislikes. They will be cast into an "everlasting fire." 25:41

Jesus says the damned will be tormented forever. 25:46

More New Testament cruelty to follow.

[D1B]

Cruelty in Mark

Jesus explains why he speaks in parables: to confuse people so they will go to hell. 4:11-12

Jesus sends devils into 2000 pigs, causing them to jump off a cliff and be drowned in the sea. When the people hear about it, they beg Jesus to leave. 5:12-13

Any city that doesn't "receive" the followers of Jesus will be destroyed in a manner even more savage than that of Sodom and Gomorrah. 6:11

Jesus criticizes the Jews for not killing their disobedient children as required by Old Testament law. (See Ex 21:15, Lev 20:9, Dt 21:18-21) 7:9-10

Jesus tells us to cut off our hands and feet, and pluck out our eyes to avoid going to hell. 9:43-49

God is like a rich man who owns a vineyard and rents it to poor farmers. When he sends servants to collect the rent, the tenants beat or kill them. So he sent his son to collect the rent, and they kill him too. Then the owner comes and kills the farmers and gives the vineyard to others. 12:1-9

Jesus tells his disciples to eat his body and drink his blood. 14:22-24

Jesus says that those that believe and are baptized will be saved, while those who don't will be damned. 16:16