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But, but, but...don't you know how much these companies have to pay in R&D? :lol:

I thought conks loved competition. :ohno:
The Supreme Court oral arguments on marriage equality deserved all the attention they received — but it’s another case heard this week that will affect even more people over the course of their lifetimes. And it could cost Americans millions in prescription drug bills.

The case falls within a sadly predictable continuum for the Roberts Court, which virtually always sides with the corporate litigant over the government or individual. This time, the arguments in FTC v. Actavis revolve around an insidious tactic common to the nation’s largest drug companies, and known as “pay for delay.” As a result of the likely ruling in this case, drug companies will be able to charge consumers as much as five times the potential cost of their products. And both government regulators and consumers will watch helplessly as pharmaceutical companies bribe generic drug makers to retain their exclusive holds on the lifesaving medicines we all inevitably require.

The first thing to know here is that U.S. pharmaceuticals get a very good deal from the federal government. For every new drug they produce, they get rewarded with long-term patents that grant them exclusive rights to market and sell the product for as much as 20 years – which guarantees them billions in profits and no competitors in the marketplace. Drug companies claim that they must be allowed to profit off of products they nurtured with expensive research and development. In reality, taxpayer-funded research from academia or the National Institutes of Health account for the vast majority of vital drugs brought to market every year, and R&D is a small fraction of the overall drug company budget. What’s more, drug companies routinely use their monopoly power to jack up pharmaceutical prices, which cost far more in the U.S. than anywhere in the world....

The most surefire statement about the Supreme Court under Chief Justice John Roberts is that corporate interests will win the day. In the 2011-12 term, the Court sided with every case on which the U.S. Chamber of Commerce filed a friend-of-the-court brief, according to the Constitutional Accountability Center. In highly publicized cases like Citizens United and dozens of smaller but no less critical ones, the Court, especially the conservative wing, has tilted toward corporate concerns dramatically, at the expense of ordinary individuals.

In this case, the Chamber of Commerce did not take a position, but practically the entire pharmaceutical industry presented amici briefs in the case, as well as the National Association of Manufacturers, who claim that the FTC’s position would “have an immense impact on the economy.” And even with Alito’s recusal giving the opportunity for a deadlock, the oral arguments strongly suggested that drug companies would get their way.

Nobody lined up for three days waiting to hear arguments in FTC v. Actavis. Nobody stood outside with placards urging the justices to rule one way or the other. But the impact is undeniable. Drug companies basically try to preserve their government-granted monopolies as long as possible, and they routinely pay off their competitors to stay out of the market. The results cost you money. In a case in California over the antibiotic Cipro, the state asserted that one brand-name pill today costs $5.30, but with a generic competitor, the price would fall to $1.10. Multiply that by the size of the marketplace and you have $3.5 billion a year and counting siphoned from sick Americans, for the benefit of drug industry treasuries.
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The crux of the argument in this thread, as in the other one you cited is that prescription drugs so much higher in the US than in other countries. I wonder why your "sources" refused to give us the reason why? :?
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Kalm, I read the whole article that you cherry- picked for you anti-corporate spiel. Your quarrel may be with the patent system, which gives patent-holders a monopoly on any product, drugs or widgets, for a period of years. Within that period, holders can charge whatever the market will bear.These settlements involved in the case don't extend the patent period: they just settle often-weak challenges to the patents by the generic companies for a price. Your argument might hold water if the settlements were a payoff for extending the patent monopoly period. If even a couple of the liberals on SCOTUS see it as a settlement within the patent period, you'll have 6-2 split against the FTC. There haven't been too many 5-4 splits on business cases that get that far. :twocents:
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Ivytalk wrote:Kalm, I read the whole article that you cherry- picked for you anti-corporate spiel. Your quarrel may be with the patent system, which gives patent-holders a monopoly on any product, drugs or widgets, for a period of years. Within that period, holders can charge whatever the market will bear.These settlements involved in the case don't extend the patent period: they just settle often-weak challenges to the patents by the generic companies for a price. Your argument might hold water if the settlements were a payoff for extending the patent monopoly period. If even a couple of the liberals on SCOTUS see it as a settlement within the patent period, you'll have 6-2 split against the FTC. There haven't been too many 5-4 splits on business cases that get that far. :twocents:

I'm not anti corporate, I'm pro competition. :kisswink:

But I do appreciate your expertise. :thumb:
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kalm wrote:But, but, but...don't you know how much these companies have to pay in R&D? :lol:

I thought conks loved competition. :ohno:
The Supreme Court oral arguments on marriage equality deserved all the attention they received — but it’s another case heard this week that will affect even more people over the course of their lifetimes. And it could cost Americans millions in prescription drug bills.

The case falls within a sadly predictable continuum for the Roberts Court, which virtually always sides with the corporate litigant over the government or individual. This time, the arguments in FTC v. Actavis revolve around an insidious tactic common to the nation’s largest drug companies, and known as “pay for delay.” As a result of the likely ruling in this case, drug companies will be able to charge consumers as much as five times the potential cost of their products. And both government regulators and consumers will watch helplessly as pharmaceutical companies bribe generic drug makers to retain their exclusive holds on the lifesaving medicines we all inevitably require.

The first thing to know here is that U.S. pharmaceuticals get a very good deal from the federal government. For every new drug they produce, they get rewarded with long-term patents that grant them exclusive rights to market and sell the product for as much as 20 years – which guarantees them billions in profits and no competitors in the marketplace. Drug companies claim that they must be allowed to profit off of products they nurtured with expensive research and development. In reality, taxpayer-funded research from academia or the National Institutes of Health account for the vast majority of vital drugs brought to market every year, and R&D is a small fraction of the overall drug company budget. What’s more, drug companies routinely use their monopoly power to jack up pharmaceutical prices, which cost far more in the U.S. than anywhere in the world....

The most surefire statement about the Supreme Court under Chief Justice John Roberts is that corporate interests will win the day. In the 2011-12 term, the Court sided with every case on which the U.S. Chamber of Commerce filed a friend-of-the-court brief, according to the Constitutional Accountability Center. In highly publicized cases like Citizens United and dozens of smaller but no less critical ones, the Court, especially the conservative wing, has tilted toward corporate concerns dramatically, at the expense of ordinary individuals.

In this case, the Chamber of Commerce did not take a position, but practically the entire pharmaceutical industry presented amici briefs in the case, as well as the National Association of Manufacturers, who claim that the FTC’s position would “have an immense impact on the economy.” And even with Alito’s recusal giving the opportunity for a deadlock, the oral arguments strongly suggested that drug companies would get their way.

Nobody lined up for three days waiting to hear arguments in FTC v. Actavis. Nobody stood outside with placards urging the justices to rule one way or the other. But the impact is undeniable. Drug companies basically try to preserve their government-granted monopolies as long as possible, and they routinely pay off their competitors to stay out of the market. The results cost you money. In a case in California over the antibiotic Cipro, the state asserted that one brand-name pill today costs $5.30, but with a generic competitor, the price would fall to $1.10. Multiply that by the size of the marketplace and you have $3.5 billion a year and counting siphoned from sick Americans, for the benefit of drug industry treasuries.
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BDKJMU wrote:
kalm wrote:But, but, but...don't you know how much these companies have to pay in R&D? :lol:

I thought conks loved competition. :ohno:



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I'm calling BS on that.
Well they did qualify it with the word "vital" so you could be right. But I'm guessing the pining on about the huge cost of R&D is a bit of a conk meme. Feel free to provide evidence to the contrary.
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kalm wrote:
BDKJMU wrote:I'm calling BS on that.
Well they did qualify it with the word "vital" so you could be right. But I'm guessing the pining on about the huge cost of R&D is a bit of a conk meme. Feel free to provide evidence to the contrary.
".....Industry was the largest source of funding in 2007, representing 58 percent of the total, followed by the federal government, representing 33 percent, according to the JAMA study. Foundations, advocacy organizations and individual donors were responsible the remaining investments.......

.....New England Journal of Medicine, "Biomedical Research and Health Advances," published in February 2011, suggests that industry's share of the total investment in U.S. biomedical research has continued to grow, with industry supporting about 65 percent of investment, government (primarily NIH) responsible for 30 percent of the funds, and charities, foundations and individual donors contributing 5 percent.

Basic research that supports drug discovery received a one-time boost through the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act (ARRA), the health care reform law, which became law in February 2009. About $310 million of the $10.4 billion allocated to the National Institutes of Health (NIH) was dedicated to advancing scientific discovery. Aside from that investment meant to spur the economy during a recession, the financial crisis almost guarantees that government support for drug research will remain flat for some time.

Private Industry Investment in Pharmaceutical R&D

According to a March 2011 report issued by the industry trade group Pharmaceutical Research and Manufacturers of America (PhRMA) and Burrill & Company, biopharmaceutical research companies invested $67.4 billion in research and development of new vaccines and medicines in 2010.

The PhRMA report claims that the investment, an increase of $1.5 billion over 2009, is an industry record....."
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kalm wrote:
BDKJMU wrote:
I'm calling BS on that.
Well they did qualify it with the word "vital" so you could be right. But I'm guessing the pining on about the huge cost of R&D is a bit of a conk meme. Feel free to provide evidence to the contrary.
Depending on what one's definition of "vital" is. From the same above article:

".....A 2009 assessment of U.S. biomedical research across therapeutic areas by Dorsey et al, published in PLoS One, found the pharmaceutical industry led investments in neuroscience, cardiovascular, endocrine, gastrointestinal, respiratory and genitourinary research, while the NIH funded the majority of support for HIV/AIDS, infectious disease and oncology research....."
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I'll ask my sister about this. She works as a CRA for a major CRO.
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BDKJMU wrote:
kalm wrote:
Well they did qualify it with the word "vital" so you could be right. But I'm guessing the pining on about the huge cost of R&D is a bit of a conk meme. Feel free to provide evidence to the contrary.
Depending on what one's definition of "vital" is. From the same above article:

".....A 2009 assessment of U.S. biomedical research across therapeutic areas by Dorsey et al, published in PLoS One, found the pharmaceutical industry led investments in neuroscience, cardiovascular, endocrine, gastrointestinal, respiratory and genitourinary research, while the NIH funded the majority of support for HIV/AIDS, infectious disease and oncology research....."
Pharmaceutical oncology research has to be a big chunk of the market. Even if Pharma's self reporting on the numbers is accurate, a 30% government share of the costs of research is still significant. And yes, they spend billions in research but I would like to see the real numbers on costs/drug including R&D. I'm guessing they're doing just fine...and benefitting from government health programs everywhere.

BTW, India's Supreme Court just ruled on a similar case:

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Ivytalk wrote:Kalm, I read the whole article that you cherry- picked for you anti-corporate spiel. Your quarrel may be with the patent system, which gives patent-holders a monopoly on any product, drugs or widgets, for a period of years. Within that period, holders can charge whatever the market will bear.These settlements involved in the case don't extend the patent period: they just settle often-weak challenges to the patents by the generic companies for a price. Your argument might hold water if the settlements were a payoff for extending the patent monopoly period. If even a couple of the liberals on SCOTUS see it as a settlement within the patent period, you'll have 6-2 split against the FTC. There haven't been too many 5-4 splits on business cases that get that far. :twocents:
Agreed, not an especially strong anti-corporate piece from Kalm this time - I fear he's slipping. Railing against patents just seems odd, especially when the most liberal members of the bench tend to side with Roberts in these cases.
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