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WEST GLACIER – Automatic federal budget cuts will not delay the opening of Glacier National Park’s Going-to-the-Sun Road, but campgrounds and visitor centers will close earlier in the season, trails will receive less maintenance and some full-time positions will not be filled, park administrators announced Tuesday.

With the permanent federal spending cuts looming on the fiscal horizon last month, park officials proposed delaying the opening of the iconic Sun Road by two weeks in order to save costs. However, last-minute funding from the Glacier National Park Conservancy will allow the plow crews to run on schedule.
Great. However because of the delayed start, they'll get to the top at the beginning of snow season and have to plow themselves back! Costing taxpayers twice as much! More government waste. :ohno:
If I was trapped in the urban EC jungle like you I'd probably undervalue our majestic park system too. :ohno:
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andy7171 wrote: Great. However because of the delayed start, they'll get to the top at the beginning of snow season and have to plow themselves back! Costing taxpayers twice as much! More government waste. :ohno:
If I was trapped in the urban EC jungle like you I'd probably undervalue our majestic park system too. :ohno:
This is nothing but entertainment. Not high priority. Not essential. More waste. :ohno:
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If I was trapped in the urban EC jungle like you I'd probably undervalue our majestic park system too. :ohno:
This is nothing but entertainment. Not high priority. Not essential. More waste. :ohno:
hahaha. This coming from someone the EC(b) concrete jungle where entertainment is making it to work and back without getting shot in a gang turf battle, robbed, or getting on bus 429 and being sent to Baltimore.
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CAA Flagship wrote: This is nothing but entertainment. Not high priority. Not essential. More waste. :ohno:
hahaha. This coming from someone the EC(b) concrete jungle where entertainment is making it to work and back without getting shot in a gang turf battle, robbed, or getting on bus 429 and being sent to Baltimore.
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hahaha. This coming from someone the EC(b) concrete jungle where entertainment is making it to work and back without getting shot in a gang turf battle, robbed, or getting on bus 429 and being sent to Baltimore.
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If it matters that much to you, show up with a shovel and dig your way through.

It shouldnt cost me money so you can drive up a highway in my state. Stay in Delaware or wherever you ECPs hang out.



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ALPHAGRIZ1 wrote:If it matters that much to you, show up with a shovel and dig your way through.

It shouldnt cost me money so you can drive up a highway in my state. Stay in Delaware or wherever you ECPs hang out.



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You're proving the point. I don't want to pay to plow that road.
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kalm wrote:
If I was trapped in the urban EC jungle like you I'd probably undervalue our majestic park system too. :ohno:
This is nothing but entertainment. Not high priority. Not essential. More waste. :ohno:

Drive that road just once and tell me its waste. :nod:
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CAA Flagship wrote: This is nothing but entertainment. Not high priority. Not essential. More waste. :ohno:

Drive that road just once and tell me its waste. :nod:
:tothehand: In critical financial times, it is nothing more than entertainment. Therefore, waste. If it can't fully fund itself, then concessions should be made rather than continuing to spend money on it.
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I've stopped caring about this road.
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grizzaholic wrote:
CAA Flagship wrote: This is nothing but entertainment. Not high priority. Not essential. More waste. :ohno:
hahaha. This coming from someone the EC(b) concrete jungle where entertainment is making it to work and back without getting shot in a gang turf battle, robbed, or getting on bus 429 and being sent to Baltimore.
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CAA Flagship wrote:
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Drive that road just once and tell me its waste. :nod:
:tothehand: In critical financial times, it is nothing more than entertainment. Therefore, waste. If it can't fully fund itself, then concessions should be made rather than continuing to spend money on it.
This is some bullshit right here. :coffee:
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CAA Flagship wrote:
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Drive that road just once and tell me its waste. :nod:
:tothehand: In critical financial times, it is nothing more than entertainment. Therefore, waste. If it can't fully fund itself, then concessions should be made rather than continuing to spend money on it.
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What about the economic benefit it brings to the communities adjacent to the National Park?
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CAA Flagship wrote: :tothehand: In critical financial times, it is nothing more than entertainment. Therefore, waste. If it can't fully fund itself, then concessions should be made rather than continuing to spend money on it.
:tothehand:

What about the economic benefit it brings to the communities adjacent to the National Park?
Yeah. There will likely be colateral damage. It sucks. But at what point do you stop paying for what you can't afford?
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What about the economic benefit it brings to the communities adjacent to the National Park?
Yeah. There will likely be colateral damage. It sucks. But at what point do you stop paying for what you can't afford?
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We can no longer afford you because we can't use all of you. Churches need tax exemptions and there is nothing spiritual about the outdoors. :coffee:

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kalm wrote:
CAA Flagship wrote: Yeah. There will likely be colateral damage. It sucks. But at what point do you stop paying for what you can't afford?
Dear National Heritage,

We can no longer afford you because we can't use all of you. Churches need tax exemptions and there is nothing spiritual about the outdoors. :coffee:

And don't give me that crap about celebrating God in his church. We all know god exists in some outdated and creepy gothic structure. :tothehand:
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kalm wrote:
CAA Flagship wrote: Yeah. There will likely be colateral damage. It sucks. But at what point do you stop paying for what you can't afford?
Dear National Heritage,

We can no longer afford you because we can't use all of you. Churches need tax exemptions and there is nothing spiritual about the outdoors. :coffee:

And don't give me that crap about celebrating God in his church. We all know god exists in some outdated and creepy gothic structure. :tothehand:
I'm all for churches losing thier tax exempt status, especially when they rake in millions and billions of dollars in profits. :coffee:
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kalm wrote:
CAA Flagship wrote: Yeah. There will likely be colateral damage. It sucks. But at what point do you stop paying for what you can't afford?
Dear National Heritage,

We can no longer afford you because we can't use all of you. Churches need tax exemptions and there is nothing spiritual about the outdoors. :coffee:

And don't give me that crap about celebrating God in his church. We all know god exists in some outdated and creepy gothic structure. :tothehand:
Calling it waste is inaccurate. I would consider it discretionary spending. When you lose your job or get into financial trouble, you need to reduce your discretionary spending (restaurants, movie theaters, etc.). The federal government is in a similar situation and they also need to reduce their discretionary spending.

And we won't lose the park, it just won't be as available as it had been in the past. It doesn't mean that it will always be like that.

This notion that once the government starts doing something or providing a service, it shouldn't stop is just ludicrous. We need a nimbler, more flexible and focused government.
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andy7171 wrote:
ALPHAGRIZ1 wrote:If it matters that much to you, show up with a shovel and dig your way through.

It shouldnt cost me money so you can drive up a highway in my state. Stay in Delaware or wherever you ECPs hang out.



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You're proving the point. I don't want to pay to plow that road.

Dont tell me Im right..........do you ECB ever just mind your own business?

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ALPHAGRIZ1 wrote:
andy7171 wrote: You're proving the point. I don't want to pay to plow that road.

Dont tell me Im right..........do you ECB ever just mind your own business?

Jeez




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Here is how the EC(b) is handling a similar situation.

"The Smithsonian said it would have to trim its budget by $40 million, but the institution claims it can do so by scaling back on maintenance and new construction, as well as with a hiring freeze, the AP said."
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UNI88 wrote:
kalm wrote:
Dear National Heritage,

We can no longer afford you because we can't use all of you. Churches need tax exemptions and there is nothing spiritual about the outdoors. :coffee:

And don't give me that crap about celebrating God in his church. We all know god exists in some outdated and creepy gothic structure. :tothehand:
Calling it waste is inaccurate. I would consider it discretionary spending. When you lose your job or get into financial trouble, you need to reduce your discretionary spending (restaurants, movie theaters, etc.). The federal government is in a similar situation and they also need to reduce their discretionary spending.

And we won't lose the park, it just won't be as available as it had been in the past. It doesn't mean that it will always be like that.

This notion that once the government starts doing something or providing a service, it shouldn't stop is just ludicrous. We need a nimbler, more flexible and focused government.
I concur.
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UNI88 wrote:
kalm wrote:
Dear National Heritage,

We can no longer afford you because we can't use all of you. Churches need tax exemptions and there is nothing spiritual about the outdoors. :coffee:

And don't give me that crap about celebrating God in his church. We all know god exists in some outdated and creepy gothic structure. :tothehand:
Calling it waste is inaccurate. I would consider it discretionary spending. When you lose your job or get into financial trouble, you need to reduce your discretionary spending (restaurants, movie theaters, etc.). The federal government is in a similar situation and they also need to reduce their discretionary spending.

And we won't lose the park, it just won't be as available as it had been in the past. It doesn't mean that it will always be like that.

This notion that once the government starts doing something or providing a service, it shouldn't stop is just ludicrous. We need a nimbler, more flexible and focused government.
Sure. Same can be said for many things...wars...churches come to mind.
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kalm wrote:
UNI88 wrote: Calling it waste is inaccurate. I would consider it discretionary spending. When you lose your job or get into financial trouble, you need to reduce your discretionary spending (restaurants, movie theaters, etc.). The federal government is in a similar situation and they also need to reduce their discretionary spending.

And we won't lose the park, it just won't be as available as it had been in the past. It doesn't mean that it will always be like that.

This notion that once the government starts doing something or providing a service, it shouldn't stop is just ludicrous. We need a nimbler, more flexible and focused government.
Sure. Same can be said for many things...wars...churches come to mind.
Wars should definitely be on the block. I'm not sure how you cut back on churches though.

My wife and I were driving past a Catholic church last Saturday evening when people were leaving and traffic was all snarled up. She commented that they should have police directing traffic. I responded that I agreed as long as the church reimbursed the village for providing the service. Tax dollars should not be used to benefit a religious institution with a tax exemption.
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kalm wrote:
UNI88 wrote: Calling it waste is inaccurate. I would consider it discretionary spending. When you lose your job or get into financial trouble, you need to reduce your discretionary spending (restaurants, movie theaters, etc.). The federal government is in a similar situation and they also need to reduce their discretionary spending.

And we won't lose the park, it just won't be as available as it had been in the past. It doesn't mean that it will always be like that.

This notion that once the government starts doing something or providing a service, it shouldn't stop is just ludicrous. We need a nimbler, more flexible and focused government.
Sure. Same can be said for many things...wars...churches come to mind.

I am all for churches not getting anymore government money................... :dunce:


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