Joliet Diocese - catholic pedophile factory. Files Released

[D1B]

Geez, it took me all of 10 seconds to find a current story about abuse at a Boys Club and Girls Scout going unreported in the past.

http://www.wcvb.com/news/investigative/ ... index.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Sorry to disturb this fanatical anti-Catholic bashing, but the truth is if you placed any children's organization under the same scrutiny to which the Catholic Church has been subjected, over events 25 years ago or more, you'd have the same story.

Again, the reason why the scandal is so pernicious and widespread in the the Catholic Church is that they never have and probably will continue not to do this, from your article, Joe:

Sources said that two adult men have come forward claiming that a club employee, William Sullivan, sexually abused them. Sullivan worked at the club from 1964 to 2002 and has since died.

The Arlington Boys & Girls Club said the allegations were brought to their attention in late 2011 by a former member of the club.

The club said publicly Thursday that it disclosed its findings to the district attorney and the Arlington Police Department on Jan. 8, and that it intends to cooperate fully with both agencies, according to its executive director, Derek Curran.

It remains unclear if anyone could be prosecuted for the alleged crimes.
In an open letter from the club’s executives, they said they “promptly hired a third-party to conduct an independent investigation,” and that they were “deeply troubled to discover that similar allegations of abuse had been made concerning Mr. Sullivan.”

The letter states that “at no time during the Club’s investigation were your children at any risk associated with this situation. We are communicating with you to keep you informed, reassure you and humbly acknowledge that the trust you place in us is something we must earn every day.”

Read more: http://www.wcvb.com/news/investigative/ ... z2OD9MLMRB" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

This is how you do it, Joe. We'll give the Catholic Church another 2000 years to figure it out.


Well done, Boys and Girls Club.

[D1B]

Geez, it took me all of 10 seconds to find a current story about abuse at a Boys Club and Girls Scout going unreported in the past.

http://www.wcvb.com/news/investigative/ ... index.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Sorry to disturb this fanatical anti-Catholic bashing, but the truth is if you placed any children's organization under the same scrutiny to which the Catholic Church has been subjected, over events 25 years ago or more, you'd have the same story.

Of course there are going to be issues with all orgs, but the catholic church is a unique org with characteristics that make it a perfect environment for pedophiles, sadists and other criminals.

[D1B]

Clenz, you find any reports of a Boy's and Girl's Club employee getting caught fucking a child, then being allowed to continue to work for the Boy's and Girl's Club, for decades, in different cities with the added benefity of the Boy's and Girl's Club management not alerting each new community?

Nah....all were fired, all charged, and most put in jail by the legal system

Any reports of the Boy's and Girl's Club paying a credibly accused worker $30,000 to walk away, and not turning them in to law enforcement?

[Skjellyfetti]

(1) The time span being referenced is six decades, and at least 54 years. During that period of time, 34 priests were credibly charged by about 100 victims. Over a period of 54 years, any institution which regularly and systematically operated programs for the benefit of children would likely have a comparable number of victims.

This is some bullshit.

That's averaging more than a molesting priest every other year (.6 per year) and an average of almost 2 children molested every year.

You think any institution that operates programs for childrens averages a molesting incident every other year and 2 children molested every year?

Really?

[JoltinJoe]

(1) The time span being referenced is six decades, and at least 54 years. During that period of time, 34 priests were credibly charged by about 100 victims. Over a period of 54 years, any institution which regularly and systematically operated programs for the benefit of children would likely have a comparable number of victims.

This is some bullshit.

That's averaging more than a molesting priest every other year (.6 per year) and an average of almost 2 children molested every year.

You think any institution that operates programs for childrens averages a molesting incident every other year and 2 children molested every year?

Really?

Are you really this dumb?

[JoltinJoe]

Geez, it took me all of 10 seconds to find a current story about abuse at a Boys Club and Girls Scout going unreported in the past.

http://www.wcvb.com/news/investigative/ ... index.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Sorry to disturb this fanatical anti-Catholic bashing, but the truth is if you placed any children's organization under the same scrutiny to which the Catholic Church has been subjected, over events 25 years ago or more, you'd have the same story.

Again, the reason why the scandal is so pernicious and widespread in the the Catholic Church is that they never have and probably will continue not to do this, from your article, Joe:

Sources said that two adult men have come forward claiming that a club employee, William Sullivan, sexually abused them. Sullivan worked at the club from 1964 to 2002 and has since died.

The Arlington Boys & Girls Club said the allegations were brought to their attention in late 2011 by a former member of the club.

The club said publicly Thursday that it disclosed its findings to the district attorney and the Arlington Police Department on Jan. 8, and that it intends to cooperate fully with both agencies, according to its executive director, Derek Curran.

It remains unclear if anyone could be prosecuted for the alleged crimes.
In an open letter from the club’s executives, they said they “promptly hired a third-party to conduct an independent investigation,” and that they were “deeply troubled to discover that similar allegations of abuse had been made concerning Mr. Sullivan.”

The letter states that “at no time during the Club’s investigation were your children at any risk associated with this situation. We are communicating with you to keep you informed, reassure you and humbly acknowledge that the trust you place in us is something we must earn every day.”

Read more: http://www.wcvb.com/news/investigative/ ... z2OD9MLMRB" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

This is how you do it, Joe. We'll give the Catholic Church another 2000 years to figure it out.


Well done, Boys and Girls Club.

Yea, the guy was there for 38 years, starting in 1964. Yup, they jumped right on it.

[D1B]

Again, the reason why the scandal is so pernicious and widespread in the the Catholic Church is that they never have and probably will continue not to do this, from your article, Joe:



This is how you do it, Joe. We'll give the Catholic Church another 2000 years to figure it out.


Well done, Boys and Girls Club.

Yea, the guy was there for 38 years, starting in 1964. Yup, they jumped right on it.

First reported in late 2011. Sent to police in Jan. of 2012.

Nice work, Boy's and Girl's Club. Way to properly handle the situation.

[D1B]

This is some bullshit.

That's averaging more than a molesting priest every other year (.6 per year) and an average of almost 2 children molested every year.

You think any institution that operates programs for childrens averages a molesting incident every other year and 2 children molested every year?

Really?

Are you really this dumb?

Joe, maybe Pope Francis could visit the Boy's and Girl's Club and get some pointers on how to properly deal with pedophiles?

Probably wouldn't take too much effort and they may even be able to set up a webinar and Francis can participate without traveling?

[andy7171]

I was waiting all week for polsongriz to start smearing the name of the Stuebenville rape victim, but he never did. I guess the rapists are only innocent if they play for Montana.

Me too.



Apparently these football players aren't worth defending and calling their accuser a cunt, bitch, etc...

Rapist plays for my team = she's a whore cunt, doesn't deserve to live, was asking for it, lying bitch
Rapist plays for someone else = crickets



Notice all the people complaining about clenzy's other thead, Griz fans and hill billies.

Nah-ow pull them pants down and squeal like a pig! Don't say nothin', just do it. Weee! Wee!

[D1B]

Is 34 abusers and about 100 victims over 54 years really comparable to the "average" for similar institutions? Clenz, do you or the Better Half have any statistics from your studies on this? I'd like an independent third party to weigh in with some statistics. IMO that's 100 too many victims.

I'd have to do some digging into my past research, and could easily e-mail some old professors who do a lot of research in the sexual abuse field....but one that I do remember is from Big Brothers Big Sisters. The latest research I did on that shows that BBBSA deals with over 240,000 kids per year and face (on average) less than 10 accusations per year.

10 (on the high side) out of 240,000 is 1 child out of every 24,000.

How that translates to the catholic situation I'm not sure though

Clenz, ever see anything even remotely close to this...

"There are over 91 separate places were these sexual predators served in the Diocese of Joliet. According to our experts, that is at least 75% of the parishes the Joliet Diocese had a sexual predator priest serving in," said Terry Johnson, Rudofski's attorney.

http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?sectio ... id=9033945" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

...in a regional Boy's and Girl's Club or public school district?

[D1B]

Clenz, is it common for a loving, caring mother to have more trust in a public school gym teacher, swim coach or Boy's and Girl's Club employee than her son or daughter who tells her they were sexually assaulted?

In an October 2006 affidavit for her son's lawsuit, Patricia Rudofski said she scolded him for lying because she trusted her pastor. She said she forgot about her son's allegation until years later, when another alleged victim accused Burnett of abuse.

"I was feeling horrible thinking about my son, thinking that I'm the one who told him to do whatever the priest said," she said in the affidavit. "I mean, I'm feeling horrible, and I just — it was like a flashback. ... Oh my God, he told me."

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/loca ... ory?page=3" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[UNI88]

This is some bullshit.

That's averaging more than a molesting priest every other year (.6 per year) and an average of almost 2 children molested every year.

You think any institution that operates programs for childrens averages a molesting incident every other year and 2 children molested every year?

Really?

Are you really this dumb?

100 is too many but there isn't enough information to provide the context to be able to grasp the depth of the problem or compare it to other institutions. How many total priests were on staff in those years? How many children were in contact with those priests?

[clenz]

Are you really this dumb?

100 is too many but there isn't enough information to provide the context to be able to grasp the depth of the problem or compare it to other institutions. How many total priests were on staff in those years? How many children were in contact with those priests?

Which it's exactly why I said I can't compare it to the issues in the catholic church

Sent from the nexus of the universe

[D1B]

Are you really this dumb?

100 is too many but there isn't enough information to provide the context to be able to grasp the depth of the problem or compare it to other institutions. How many total priests were on staff in those years? How many children were in contact with those priests?

The "depth of the problem" also includes how many bishops/Cardinals/supervisors, priests, nuns, employees and lay people knew there was a problem and did not report. I guarantee you will be hard-pressed to find public school employees or YWCA teachers or Boy's and Girls Club counselors getting away with what catholic priests did. There is no where near the collusion in these orgs like there is in the catholic church.

The church literally is a pedophile's Disneyland that provided access to thousands of scared children and protection to tens of thousands of predators. The church now, finally, admits this.

[UNI88]

100 is too many but there isn't enough information to provide the context to be able to grasp the depth of the problem or compare it to other institutions. How many total priests were on staff in those years? How many children were in contact with those priests?

Which it's exactly why I said I can't compare it to the issues in the catholic church

Sent from the nexus of the universe

Your information might not have been directly comparable but it was still relevant to the discussion.

I don't want to just sit here and bash the Catholic Church. It's done a lot of good things over the years and continues to try to be a force for good in the world. It's also done some bad things and can be too rigid and defensive.

[D1B]

Which it's exactly why I said I can't compare it to the issues in the catholic church

Sent from the nexus of the universe

Your information might not have been directly comparable but it was still relevant to the discussion.

I don't want to just sit here and bash the Catholic Church. It's done a lot of good things over the years and continues to try to be a force for good in the world. It's also done some bad things and can be too rigid and defensive.

Who's bashing the church, 88? This is a fucking major scandal. So we can't comment about the church because they do good things too?

[clenz]

Which it's exactly why I said I can't compare it to the issues in the catholic church

Sent from the nexus of the universe

Your information might not have been directly comparable but it was still relevant to the discussion.

I don't want to just sit here and bash the Catholic Church. It's done a lot of good things over the years and continues to try to be a force for good in the world. It's also done some bad things and can be too rigid and defensive.

Agree completely...which is why I'm not biting on D1B's very tempting chum in the water.

The Catholic church has done millions of great things for people over the years...HOWEVER, the leadership of the religion is completely corrupt (this isn't an issue with just Catholicism, but all religions and organizations for the most part).

What makes all of the abuse completely egregiousness (not that it isn't on it's own) is the cover up of the church and the way they protect them...and yes promote them and give them raises and move them to protect them and so.

The church should be a safe haven for youth and families - in stead it is a safe haven for pedophiles.

[JoltinJoe]

Just to give some perspective, a diocese the size of Joliet probably operated something in the neighborhood of 10 high schools and 30 grammar schools, circa 1980. Each high school would have about 500 students and each grammar school about 800 (900 if there was a kindergarten). So you would have nearly 30,000 students in Catholic school in a given year. Plus, it would have another 25,000 in CCD programs.

So to claim that 2 cases of abuse a year is a lot is just ridiculous.

(I'm basing this on my first-hand knowledge of the school system of the Newark, NJ diocese (which is about twice the size of Joliet).

[JoltinJoe]

"There are over 91 separate places were these sexual predators served in the Diocese of Joliet. According to our experts, that is at least 75% of the parishes the Joliet Diocese had a sexual predator priest serving in," said Terry Johnson, Rudofski's attorney.

http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?sectio ... id=9033945" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

34 predator priests out of 850 or more priests who served over a 54-year period.

So yes, there is a pretty good chance that, over that 54-year period, a parish would have a priest who was later charged.

[D1B]

"There are over 91 separate places were these sexual predators served in the Diocese of Joliet. According to our experts, that is at least 75% of the parishes the Joliet Diocese had a sexual predator priest serving in," said Terry Johnson, Rudofski's attorney.

http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?sectio ... id=9033945" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

34 predator priests out of 850 or more priests who served over a 54-year period.

So yes, there is a pretty good chance that, over that 54-year period, a parish would have a priest who was later charged.

34 priests and hundreds of victims is outrageous. 34 is just the number that got caught. Most abuse never gets reported so the number of actual predators is much higher, especially in the catholic church where they're fiercely protected.

[D1B]

Just to give some perspective, a diocese the size of Joliet probably operated something in the neighborhood of 10 high schools and 30 grammar schools, circa 1980. Each high school would have about 500 students and each grammar school about 800 (900 if there was a kindergarten). So you would have nearly 30,000 students in Catholic school in a given year. Plus, it would have another 25,000 in CCD programs.

So to claim that 2 cases of abuse a year is a lot is just ridiculous.

(I'm basing this on my first-hand knowledge of the school system of the Newark, NJ diocese (which is about twice the size of Joliet).

34 -100+ pedophiles in a single diocese is ridiculous.

[D1B]

Just to give some perspective, in the catholic church, the people who decide what constitutes a credible accusation is are the very same people who cover up the crimes and shuffle predators in and out of the diocese. They do not and did not report all accusations to law enforcement, like a mandated reporter in a public school or Boys and Girls club would.

What you see with the church is really just the tip of the iceberg. They are a machine that delivers scared young boys to pedophiles.

[D1B]

The following list of diocesan priests has been prepared in the hope that it will further facilitate healing and closure for those who have been affected by sexual abuse. It may also encourage others who have been sexually abused to come forward.

This is the lead-in to the list of catholic predators on the Joliet Diocese website. They make it appear that they're providing a valuable, compassionate and therapeutic service, but the truth is they fought for almost a decade to keep this list secret.

One would find it very difficult to find another blatantly arrogant and evil group like the catholic church's cabal of priests, bishops and cardinals.

[D1B]

Q: Tell me about yourself and your background?

Answer: Well, I'm kinda shy. I love the church, so much so that I'm willing to take a lifelong vow of celibacy to be a priest, maybe some day. I never was really "good with the girls", I think it's just me be being shy and all. I LOVE kids though.

Response:

Boys and Girls Club or public school administrator: "Get the fuck out of here before I call the police."

Catholic Church : "Oh joy!, tell me more. Can I get you some coffee or water?"

[andy7171]

Where is Joliet?