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Been calling this one for years: That the vatican and church leadership are predominantly gay men who have figured out how to parlay the immense wealth of the catholic church and amazing stupidity and gullibility of the laity into just about the best gay life a man could have - wealth, power, secrecy and influence and good old fashioned sex :nod:. It would have worked, but their sex drive and egos' outpaced their brains as they continued to rape boys well into the information age and the rise of secularism. :dunce: Across the globe catholic priests have been raping children by the millions for centuries, all orchestrated behind the wall of the Vatican. They, like Enron, were bound to be caught and held accountable.

Questions to catholics: Why didn't the dresses tip you off? Why didn't the altar boy system tip you off? Why didn't celibacy tip you off? Why didn't the utter disdain for women tip you off?

Why? BECAUSE YOU'RE FUCKING BRAINWASHED AND THESE CRIMINALS PUT YOU TO SLEEP. :dunce: :ohno:
Italian daily La Repubblica this morning sensationally claims that Pope Benedict's resignation was at least partly prompted by an internal report prepared by three senior cardinals, alleging that various lobbies, including a gay lobby, exercise an "inappropriate influence" in internal Holy See affairs.

The newspaper suggests that such was Benedict’s dismay when presented with the details of the report on December 17th that it hardened his long-meditated decision to resign. The internal report prepared by Cardinals Julian Herranz, Josef Tomko and Salvatore De Giorgi had been commissioned by Benedict himself.

He had ordered it in response to the so-called Vatileaks scandal which culminated with the arrest and subsequent conviction last autumn of the Pope's butler, Paolo Gabriele, found guilty of having stolen confidential documents from the papal apartment.

In this morning's article, it is claimed that the cardinals reported that various lobbies within the Holy See were consistently breaking the sixth and seventh commandments, namely "thou shalt not steal" and "thou shalt not commit adultery".

The "stealing" was in particular related to the Vatican Bank, IOR, whilst the sexual offences were related to the influence of an active gay lobby within the Vatican.

Last week, when presiding over the Ash Wednesday celebrations in St. Peter's Basilica, Pope Benedict spoke of "divisions" which "besmirch" the face of the church. In a famous homily at the 2005 Via Crucis Easter celebrations in Rome, just days before the death of John Paul II, the then Cardinal Ratzinger had spoken of the "filth" in the church, a comment interpreted by many as a reference to the worldwide clerical sex abuse scandal.

However, La Repubblica claims the cardinals' 300 page report speaks of "Impropriam Influentiam" on the part of various lobbies, some of them of a "worldly nature", reflecting an "outside influence". The Rome daily recalls the figure of papal gentleman, Angelo Balducci, accused three years ago of being a member of a gay ring active within the Vatican and involving choristers and seminarians.
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The information he received from the cardinals "is all about the breach of the sixth and seven commandments," a man described as being "very close" to the authors of the report told La Repubblica.

The commandments are "thou shalt not commit adultery" and "thou shalt not steal." The cardinals were said to have uncovered an underground gay network, whose members organise sexual meetings in several venues in Rome and the Vatican City and are prone to blackmail because of their sexual orientation.

Among those mentioned in the report is Marco Simeon, a manager at state television RAI whose name was mentioned in the past in connection with one of the key VatiLeaks revelations: the plot to oust Archbishop Carlo Maria Vigano from the chairmanship of the Vatican City Governorate, following his attempts to introduce greater financial transparency.//DPA
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Even more shocking...

Breaking News: Catholic priest rapes 4 girls...aged 8-10 years old.
RAIPUR: In a shocking incident, a Catholic priest was arrested on Wednesday from a remote village in Ambikapur district of Chhattisgarh for sexually assaulting four minor tribal girls. Medical examination of the minors aged between six and eight years confirmed rape.

Confirming the arrest Ambikapur district collector R Prasanna told TOI, "Father Vincent Toppo, a priest of Latin right, has been arrested. Parents of minor girls had complained on Tuesday that their children were sexually assaulted. We sent them for a medical examination that confirmed sexual assault."

He said the girls have been shifted to a children's home under the direct supervision of district administration. Sexual assault case came to light when parents of girls came forward to lodge a complaint with the administration that their children were sexually assaulted by the priest, who was in-charge of "Ashadeep Missionary School" at a village in Dahima development block in Ambikapur district.
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Reverend Phelps, is that you?
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Pwns wrote:Reverend Phelps, is that you?
Again, asshole, I got no issue against gays, unless you're gay and you operate a multi billion dollar org whose primary message is bigotry against gays. And you're gay and you spend tens of millions of dollars a year to support legislation designed to marginalize gays. And, you 're actively involved in the world's greatest cover up of crimes predominately involving the rape of boys by gay priests and you've spent several billion in said cover up.
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VATICAN CITY
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John Hooper in Rome
The Guardian, Thursday 21 February 2013

A potentially explosive report has linked the resignation of Pope Benedict XVI to the discovery of a network of gay prelates in the Vatican, some of whom – the report said – were being blackmailed by outsiders.

The pope's spokesman declined to confirm or deny the report, which was carried by the Italian daily newspaper La Repubblica.

The paper said the pope had taken the decision on 17 December that he was going to resign – the day he received a dossier compiled by three cardinals delegated to look into the so-called "Vatileaks" affair.

Last May Pope Benedict's butler, Paolo Gabriele, was arrested and charged with having stolen and leaked papal correspondence that depicted the Vatican as a seething hotbed of intrigue and infighting.

The three-man commission of inquiry into the Vatileaks affair was headed by a Spanish cardinal, Julián Herranz. He was assisted by Cardinal Salvatore De Giorgi, a former archbishop of Palermo, and the Slovak cardinal Jozef Tomko, who once headed the Vatican's department for missionaries.

Pope Benedict has said he will stand down at the end of this month; the first pope to resign voluntarily since Celestine V more than seven centuries ago. Since announcing his departure he has twice apparently referred to machinations inside the Vatican, saying that divisions "mar the face of the church", and warned against "the temptations of power".

La Repubblica's report was the latest in a string of claims that a gay network exists in the Vatican. In 2007 a senior official was suspended from the congregation, or department, for the priesthood, after he was filmed in a "sting" organised by an Italian television programme while apparently making sexual overtures to a younger man.

In 2010 a chorister was dismissed for allegedly procuring male prostitutes for a papal gentleman-in-waiting. A few months later a weekly news magazine used hidden cameras to record priests visiting gay clubs and bars and having sex.

The Vatican does not condemn homosexuals. But it teaches that gay sex is "intrinsically disordered". Pope Benedict has barred sexually active gay men from studying for the priesthood.
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This looks like a cleanup job for Jon Cardinal Dback! :nod:
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More corruption and gay sex in the Vatican:
ROME: Pope Benedict resigned after an internal investigation informed him about a web of blackmail, corruption and gay sex in the Vatican, Italian media have reported.

Three cardinals were asked by Benedict to verify allegations of financial impropriety, cronyism and corruption exposed in the so-called VatiLeaks affair.


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Ivytalk wrote:This looks like a cleanup job for Jon Cardinal Dback! :nod:

Dback doesn't have the guts to take this on. I'm doing the work for him :nod: :ohno:
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More gay sex/blackmail in the Vatican:

VATICAN CITY
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By Joe Coscarelli

The Italian newspaper La Repubblica isn't buying that a pope resigned for the first time in more than 600 years simply because he wasn't feeling so spry anymore. Instead, a new report points to a juicy-sounding secret dossier ("two volumes of almost 300 pages — bound in red") involving a faction in the Vatican "united by sexual orientation," according to the Guardian. Those officials were supposedly subject to "external influence" from outsiders with whom they connected in a "worldly nature." A.k.a. blackmail.

The information is thought to stem from an investigation into the "Vatileaks" scandal, in which Pope Benedict XVI's butler, Paolo Gabriele, was arrested for stealing and leaking gossipy Vatican documents. The pope reportedly received the information on December 17, the day he decided to step down. According to a La Repubblica source, "Everything revolves around the non-observance of the sixth and seventh commandments," or "Thou shalt not steal" and "Thou shalt not commit adultery." Haaretz notes that the Italian paper in question has a history of exposing homosexual happenings in the Vatican.
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Pope candidate calls on Vatican to investigate gay sex and corruption in the Vatican:
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AUSTRALIA'S Cardinal George Pell yesterday called on the Vatican press office to respond "in some constructive way" to reports of an internal investigation by three senior cardinals that told Pope Benedict XVI about an insidious web of blackmail, corruption and homosexual sex inside the Vatican.

Italy's La Repubblica newspaper linked Benedict's resignation with a top secret 300-page dossier prepared by Spanish Cardinal Julian Herranz, Slovak Cardinal Jozef Tomko and Italian Cardinal Salvatore De Giorgi into the "Vatileaks" affair, which saw the Pope's former butler, Paolo Gabriele, arrested and jailed for stealing and leaking papal documents.

None of the three cardinals will take part in the conclave because they are over 80 years of age, but they are expected to brief those voting about their findings.

According to La Repubblica, the report was "an exact map of the mischief and the bad fish" inside the Holy See, with the cardinals finding that one faction of Vatican officials, "united by sexual orientation", had been subject to "external influence" from laymen with whom they had links of a "worldly nature", which the paper said was a reference to blackmail.
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Got a feeling the new pontiff is going to clean house. No sin in being gay, but no excuses to cover up the molestation of children and adolescents.
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Shits on the national news now. :coffee:
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:rofl:

You demand absolute proof for the existence of God -- he doesn't exist unless he you can see him and sit down next to him.

But you believe any unsourced accusation of scandal involving the Vatican.

:coffee:

Vatican has called the report false and defamatory. http://www.newsday.com/news/nation/vati ... -1.4698664" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

So is there proof? :coffee:
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Just to be clear:

(1) Are there gays within key positions at the Vatican? Of course there are.
(2) Are there active gays within key positions at the Vatican? Very likely.
(3) Is there a gay underground network "controlling" the Vatican? No.

However, if there were gays within the Vatican seeking to influence Church policy, why would that be a bad thing?

It's amazing how reality gets distorted when the Catholic Church is at issue. I would think the presence of a "gay lobby" would be viewed by most members of the media as a positive development inside the Church.

It all depends on how you report it, and that all depends on what the reporter's agenda is.
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JoltinJoe wrote:Just to be clear:

(1) Are there gays within key positions at the Vatican? Of course there are.
(2) Are there active gays within key positions at the Vatican? Very likely.
(3) Is there a gay underground network "controlling" the Vatican? No.

However, if there were gays within the Vatican seeking to influence Church policy, why would that be a bad thing?

It's amazing how reality gets distorted when the Catholic Church is at issue. I would think the presence of a "gay lobby" would be viewed by most members of the media as a positive development inside the Church.

It all depends on how you report it, and that all depends on what the reporter's agenda is.
The issue is cardinals fucking gay prostitutes and these prostitutes blackmailing em.

According to your church,it's only ok to fuck boys age 4-15.

National news.
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D1B wrote:
JoltinJoe wrote:Just to be clear:

(1) Are there gays within key positions at the Vatican? Of course there are.
(2) Are there active gays within key positions at the Vatican? Very likely.
(3) Is there a gay underground network "controlling" the Vatican? No.

However, if there were gays within the Vatican seeking to influence Church policy, why would that be a bad thing?

It's amazing how reality gets distorted when the Catholic Church is at issue. I would think the presence of a "gay lobby" would be viewed by most members of the media as a positive development inside the Church.

It all depends on how you report it, and that all depends on what the reporter's agenda is.
The issue is cardinals **** gay prostitutes and these prostitutes blackmailing em.

According to your church,it's only ok to **** boys age 4-15.

National news.
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You are what we call in my business a "plaintiff's juror." :lol:
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JoltinJoe wrote:
D1B wrote:
The issue is cardinals **** gay prostitutes and these prostitutes blackmailing em.

According to your church,it's only ok to **** boys age 4-15.

National news.
:lol:

You are what we call in my business a "plaintiff's juror." :lol:
According to humanity, you're a scumbag lawyer - a member of the most hated profession on earth, besides catholic priest/child molester. :lol:

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D1B wrote:
JoltinJoe wrote:
:lol:

You are what we call in my business a "plaintiff's juror." :lol:
According to humanity, you're a scumbag lawyer - a member of the most hated profession on earth, besides catholic priest/child molester. :lol:

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This guy nails it:
26 February 2013

'BE not afraid' was one of the great recurring catch-phrases of Jesus, and yet, 2,000 years on, his church persists in the shady business of fear management. When there isn't openness, transparency or accountability, then power is devoid of collective scrutiny and inevitably becomes warped and misused. We've seen it in the banks, in politics and the media. The wielding of power by the few needs to be regulated by the many.

In the case of Christ's church, we should expect better checks and balances than are found in secular institutions but, ironically, the church has no oversight structures. :lol: It is run by a clerical caste, much to the embarrassment of many decent priests and laity the world over.

Historically, the institutional church manufactured fear based on its own fears; fear of science and progress, of educated followers :nod: , of other religions, of bible reading, of change, and it is fear that drives the institution today. A humble church for the people became a church that took from the Emperor Constantine the clothes of a dying empire, parting ways with the simplicity of its early foundation.

From then on, it would be 'princes of the church' instead of fishermen in charge; Popes would run empires and start wars rather than humbly lead; those who spoke out would be deemed heretics and burned at the stake. Catholicism had truly lost its way. :coffee:

A simplistic analysis, some might say, but who can look back proudly on our history of governance and consider it enlightened? However, the resignation of Pope Benedict may be a turning point in the way this church is run. Under John Paul II, there was a return to the mystical, spiritual leader persona around the office of Pope. But Benedict has removed the veil, he says he cannot do the job of Pope anymore – something many of us Catholic observers believed but were afraid to say for fear of being labelled disloyal and modern 'heretics'.

To question the papacy even as a loyal Catholic is to bring opprobrium down on your head.

The Vatican is not the church and as an institutional centre it really has become an embarrassment for ordinary Catholics. It is steeped in clericalism. The protection of the clerical state at all costs was more important than believing children. :ohno: The Vatileaks scandal displayed to the world Vatican officials locked in power struggles. The Vatican Bank – not for the first time – was involved in allegations of corruption and money-laundering. And so it goes on and on. It's not good enough to say 'well, yes, but they're slowly getting their house in order' or 'the church moves in centuries'. The imperative of Jesus is to announce the Good News now in our times and if the Vatican is a blockage to that – and it is, in my view – then it should be removed, or reformed.

The Vatican wasn't founded by Jesus, and the modern papacy is only a construct that came into being after the French Revolution. :coffee: Popes weren't always elected by Cardinals. Lay people were involved. A lay person can technically become Pope. It doesn't have to be this way. There is a democratic tradition in the early church that has long been side-lined, and so much of the so-called tradition around the papacy as we know it is only a few hundred years old.

In the next conclave, we need a Gorbachev-style Pope to emerge who will confront those who want to maintain a medieval-style church while pretending that it is embracing modernity. We need a Catholic 'Glasnost' in the Vatican and a clearing out of the old guard. *Funny, I thought Pope JP did all that shit, right Joe? :lol:

Then start building a truly international church leadership and bureaucracy more akin to the (secular :coffee: )UN, with elected posts filled by those elected by each bishops' conference.

The Pope would be elected by bishops' conferences from around the world, he would have a retirement age, and, with electronic voting, could be elected in hours, removing the need for the medieval pageantry of Cardinals voting in the Sistine Chapel while the world awaits the white smoke.

I love the Vatican pageantry, but I love the church that Jesus founded more and would gladly sacrifice pageantry, incense and red, papal Prada shoes :ohno: for accountability, democratic (secular :coffee: )structures and a stripping of the trappings of the late and not-so-great Roman Empire and its Caesars, whose vestiges of power still waft around and haunt the Papal Monarchy.

The church has nothing to fear but fear itself.

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JoltinJoe wrote:Just to be clear:

(1) Are there gays within key positions at the Vatican? Of course there are.
(2) Are there active gays within key positions at the Vatican? Very likely.
(3) Is there a gay underground network "controlling" the Vatican? No.

However, if there were gays within the Vatican seeking to influence Church policy, why would that be a bad thing?

It's amazing how reality gets distorted when the Catholic Church is at issue. I would think the presence of a "gay lobby" would be viewed by most members of the media as a positive development inside the Church.

It all depends on how you report it, and that all depends on what the reporter's agenda is.

This is a question for dback (whom I am assuming is an active gay man) What is an inactive gay man? Is that like a gay man on the DL?
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I can't say I disagree, well except for...
D1B wrote:This guy nails it:
26 February 2013

'BE not afraid' was one of the great recurring catch-phrases of Jesus, and yet, 2,000 years on, his church persists in the shady business of fear management. When there isn't openness, transparency or accountability, then power is devoid of collective scrutiny and inevitably becomes warped and misused. We've seen it in the banks, in politics and the media. The wielding of power by the few needs to be regulated by the many.

In the case of Christ's church, we should expect better checks and balances than are found in secular institutions but, ironically, the church has no oversight structures. :lol: It is run by a clerical caste, much to the embarrassment of many decent priests and laity the world over.

Historically, the institutional church manufactured fear based on its own fears; fear of science and progress, of educated followers :nod: , of other religions, of bible reading, of change, and it is fear that drives the institution today. A humble church for the people became a church that took from the Emperor Constantine the clothes of a dying empire, parting ways with the simplicity of its early foundation.

From then on, it would be 'princes of the church' instead of fishermen in charge; Popes would run empires and start wars rather than humbly lead; those who spoke out would be deemed heretics and burned at the stake. Catholicism had truly lost its way. :coffee:

A simplistic analysis, some might say, but who can look back proudly on our history of governance and consider it enlightened? However, the resignation of Pope Benedict may be a turning point in the way this church is run. Under John Paul II, there was a return to the mystical, spiritual leader persona around the office of Pope. But Benedict has removed the veil, he says he cannot do the job of Pope anymore – something many of us Catholic observers believed but were afraid to say for fear of being labelled disloyal and modern 'heretics'.

To question the papacy even as a loyal Catholic is to bring opprobrium down on your head.

The Vatican is not the church and as an institutional centre it really has become an embarrassment for ordinary Catholics. It is steeped in clericalism. The protection of the clerical state at all costs was more important than believing children. :ohno: The Vatileaks scandal displayed to the world Vatican officials locked in power struggles. The Vatican Bank – not for the first time – was involved in allegations of corruption and money-laundering. And so it goes on and on. It's not good enough to say 'well, yes, but they're slowly getting their house in order' or 'the church moves in centuries'. The imperative of Jesus is to announce the Good News now in our times and if the Vatican is a blockage to that – and it is, in my view – then it should be removed, or reformed.

The Vatican wasn't founded by Jesus, and the modern papacy is only a construct that came into being after the French Revolution. :coffee: Popes weren't always elected by Cardinals. Lay people were involved. A lay person can technically become Pope. It doesn't have to be this way. There is a democratic tradition in the early church that has long been side-lined, and so much of the so-called tradition around the papacy as we know it is only a few hundred years old.

In the next conclave, we need a Gorbachev-style Pope to emerge who will confront those who want to maintain a medieval-style church while pretending that it is embracing modernity. We need a Catholic 'Glasnost' in the Vatican and a clearing out of the old guard. *Funny, I thought Pope JP did all that shit, right Joe? :lol:

Then start building a truly international church leadership and bureaucracy more akin to the (secular :coffee: )UN, with elected posts filled by those elected by each bishops' conference.

The Pope would be elected by bishops' conferences from around the world, he would have a retirement age, and, with electronic voting, could be elected in hours, removing the need for the medieval pageantry of Cardinals voting in the Sistine Chapel while the world awaits the white smoke.

I love the Vatican pageantry, but I love the church that Jesus founded more and would gladly sacrifice pageantry, incense and red, papal Prada shoes :ohno: for accountability, democratic (secular :coffee: )structures and a stripping of the trappings of the late and not-so-great Roman Empire and its Caesars, whose vestiges of power still waft around and haunt the Papal Monarchy.

The church has nothing to fear but fear itself.

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Ibanez wrote:
JoltinJoe wrote:Just to be clear:

(1) Are there gays within key positions at the Vatican? Of course there are.
(2) Are there active gays within key positions at the Vatican? Very likely.
(3) Is there a gay underground network "controlling" the Vatican? No.

However, if there were gays within the Vatican seeking to influence Church policy, why would that be a bad thing?

It's amazing how reality gets distorted when the Catholic Church is at issue. I would think the presence of a "gay lobby" would be viewed by most members of the media as a positive development inside the Church.

It all depends on how you report it, and that all depends on what the reporter's agenda is.

This is a question for dback (whom I am assuming is an active gay man) What is an inactive gay man? Is that like a gay man on the DL?
Joe is wrong about the gay network controlling the Vatican, and as described below, the whole church hierarchy. Here's how it works:

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The type of sexual blackmail mentioned in the Italian press and recycled worldwide, recalls the system of shared confessions and secret-keeping that enabled child abuse by priests in the first place. Under this terrible dynamic, priests who broke their vows of chastity confessed to brother clergymen who then held their secrets over their heads. Since few priests were able to maintain their vows, the clerical culture became a web of intrigue and mutual blackmail. Superiors feared disciplining criminal priests, lest their own secrets be revealed. Thus, complaints by children and parents were quietly resolved with assurances and payoffs and "father" was transferred to another parish. So it went, until the 1980s when victims began retaining lawyers and the era of scandal began.

Three decades after the first claims were made by children who were abused by a priest in Louisiana, the Catholic Church remains mired, not in sexual sin, but in the secrecy, narrow-mindedness and fear that have prevented the hierarchy from ending the scandal. The return to gay baiting shows that neither Cardinal Turkson nor certain anonymous talkers in the Curia will lead the hierarchy back to relevance. Catholics the world over pray the cardinals who select the next pope find someone with the moral maturity and courage to do the job.
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Re: Breaking: Underground gay network controlling Vatican

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How is it that one man can spend so much time talking about a subject that he has no real knowledge?

Seriously, you need to get a life.

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Re: Breaking: Underground gay network controlling Vatican

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Joe, what is an inactive gay man? Lindsey Graham?
Turns out I might be a little gay. 89Hen 11/7/17
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