I agree with Biden

[ASUG8]

Folks, any sized shot from a 12 gauge fired from inside a home to a target also inside the home will be sufficient, holy shit. Do some test shooting with #8 bird shot at say, 20 feet

Would not make much difference if it were #6, #4, single buck, double buck, triple buck, or slug, nobody is going to be able to get off the floor with a blast that close..

Jeepers!

I dunno, I've played Call of Duty and hit guys point blank with shotgun blasts and they barely flinched.

I laugh, because it happens to me all the time.

[Bronco]

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Biden’s Shotgun Advice To Wife Would Land Her In Jail On Felony Aggravated Menacing, Reckless Endangering Charges…

Via US News:
Vice President Joe Biden might want to have a talk with his son, Delaware Attorney General Beau Biden, before he makes another public statement about guns.

In a Facebook “chat” Tuesday, the vice president said that he had advised his wife, Jill, to fire a shotgun in the air from their Delaware home’s porch if she was concerned for her safety.

“I said, ‘Jill, if there’s ever a problem, just walk out on the balcony here, walk out and put that double-barrel shotgun and fire two blasts outside the house,’” Biden said.

“You don’t need an AR-15—it’s harder to aim,” he added, “it’s harder to use, and in fact you don’t need 30 rounds to protect yourself. Buy a shotgun! Buy a shotgun!”

However, Delaware law would likely make his suggestion illegal—unless the shots were fired in self-defense in a truly life-threatening situation.

A sergeant with the Wilmington, Del., police department explained to U.S. News that city residents are not allowed to fire guns on their property.

The sergeant, who preferred not to be identified, said that Wilmington residents are also not allowed to shoot trespassers. “On your property you can’t just shoot someone,” he said. “You have to really feel that your life is being threatened.”

Defense attorney John Garey—a former Delaware deputy attorney general—agreed, and added that several criminal charges might result if Jill Biden took her husband’s advice.

“In Delaware you have to be in fear of your life to use deadly force,” Garey said. “There’s nothing based on his scenario alone” indicating a reason to fear imminent death, he noted.

Garey said that under Biden’s scenario, Jill Biden could be charged with aggravated menacing, a felony, and reckless endangering in the first degree.

[Col Hogan]

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Biden’s Shotgun Advice To Wife Would Land Her In Jail On Felony Aggravated Menacing, Reckless Endangering Charges…

Via US News:
Vice President Joe Biden might want to have a talk with his son, Delaware Attorney General Beau Biden, before he makes another public statement about guns.

In a Facebook “chat” Tuesday, the vice president said that he had advised his wife, Jill, to fire a shotgun in the air from their Delaware home’s porch if she was concerned for her safety.

“I said, ‘Jill, if there’s ever a problem, just walk out on the balcony here, walk out and put that double-barrel shotgun and fire two blasts outside the house,’” Biden said.

“You don’t need an AR-15—it’s harder to aim,” he added, “it’s harder to use, and in fact you don’t need 30 rounds to protect yourself. Buy a shotgun! Buy a shotgun!”

However, Delaware law would likely make his suggestion illegal—unless the shots were fired in self-defense in a truly life-threatening situation.

A sergeant with the Wilmington, Del., police department explained to U.S. News that city residents are not allowed to fire guns on their property.

The sergeant, who preferred not to be identified, said that Wilmington residents are also not allowed to shoot trespassers. “On your property you can’t just shoot someone,” he said. “You have to really feel that your life is being threatened.”

Defense attorney John Garey—a former Delaware deputy attorney general—agreed, and added that several criminal charges might result if Jill Biden took her husband’s advice.

“In Delaware you have to be in fear of your life to use deadly force,” Garey said. “There’s nothing based on his scenario alone” indicating a reason to fear imminent death, he noted.

Garey said that under Biden’s scenario, Jill Biden could be charged with aggravated menacing, a felony, and reckless endangering in the first degree.

Dumb Donks...

[D1B]

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Biden’s Shotgun Advice To Wife Would Land Her In Jail On Felony Aggravated Menacing, Reckless Endangering Charges…

Dumb Donks...

Biden don't stay up all night in his ammo dump, jacking off and reading gun mags like you paranoid pussy gun conk fucks.

[houndawg]

At 15' you're going to catch the full load and it weighs the same as the buckshot. I don't want to kill somebody on the other side of the wall and I think there is less chance of that with smaller shot.

I understand your concern with over penetration. I would be just as heart broken shooting someone I am trying to protect as not taking down who I am protecting them from. That is why I don't use: 1). Magnum shells; 2). 3" or 3.5" shells, but rather 2.75" shells; 3). Slugs, 000, 00, or 0 size buck shot; 4). Steel shot; 5). a barrel longer than the legal minimum. All of these reduce penetration.

Since my house is 70' long, I'm not sure I will be shooting someone within 15'. The research I have done indicates that birdshot, especially #8 is not particularly effective. I have put most faith in the testing done by the FBI labs. What sources have you read that differ?

I assume that if they break into my house while I am home they are probably high and require more stopping power, and that I will be shooting in less than optimum conditions. I also would not hesitate to shoot them while they were outside trying to break in.

I also would never pull out a gun with the intention of anything less than killing someone. It is just too plain dangerous to pull a gun and not do so.

I haven't read anything that differs, but I can tell you that if I shoot a piece of cardboard from 60' with a modified choke and a 28" barrel that the pattern will be about 2 ft wide, because I have done it. About a foot wider with an improved cylinder. Thats more than twice as far as the longest sightline in my house. Listen to wedgie, if you get hit with a 12 ga. inside a home you are going down and you aren't going to be shooting back.

[LeadBolt]

I understand your concern with over penetration. I would be just as heart broken shooting someone I am trying to protect as not taking down who I am protecting them from. That is why I don't use: 1). Magnum shells; 2). 3" or 3.5" shells, but rather 2.75" shells; 3). Slugs, 000, 00, or 0 size buck shot; 4). Steel shot; 5). a barrel longer than the legal minimum. All of these reduce penetration.

Since my house is 70' long, I'm not sure I will be shooting someone within 15'. The research I have done indicates that birdshot, especially #8 is not particularly effective. I have put most faith in the testing done by the FBI labs. What sources have you read that differ?

I assume that if they break into my house while I am home they are probably high and require more stopping power, and that I will be shooting in less than optimum conditions. I also would not hesitate to shoot them while they were outside trying to break in.

I also would never pull out a gun with the intention of anything less than killing someone. It is just too plain dangerous to pull a gun and not do so.

I haven't read anything that differs, but I can tell you that if I shoot a piece of cardboard from 60' with a modified choke and a 28" barrel that the pattern will be about 2 ft wide, because I have done it. About a foot wider with an improved cylinder. Thats more than twice as far as the longest sightline in my house. Listen to wedgie, if you get hit with a 12 ga. inside a home you are going down and you aren't going to be shooting back.

My goal is to be the one to put the intruder down, not the other way around. In the mean time, I'll take the FBI recommendation over your and wedgies. No disrespect meant, but somehow I trust their opinion on munitions to be a bit more authoritative than your and wedgies.

[JohnStOnge]

No offense, I don't want to end up in 1gal. Ziplocks in your **** freezer. I'll pass.

Dude! You were a defensive end. You're big. I only weigh 180 pounds. And I'm friggin old. A 180 pound old man isn't going to put you in the freezer.

[houndawg]

I haven't read anything that differs, but I can tell you that if I shoot a piece of cardboard from 60' with a modified choke and a 28" barrel that the pattern will be about 2 ft wide, because I have done it. About a foot wider with an improved cylinder. Thats more than twice as far as the longest sightline in my house. Listen to wedgie, if you get hit with a 12 ga. inside a home you are going down and you aren't going to be shooting back.

My goal is to be the one to put the intruder down, not the other way around. In the mean time, I'll take the FBI recommendation over your and wedgies. No disrespect meant, but somehow I trust their opinion on munitions to be a bit more authoritative than your and wedgies.

No offense taken LB.

If you want to see the picture worth 1,000 words take the shotgun to the range a shoot some patterns at various distances and loads and see what this thing you have can do.

[houndawg]

No offense, I don't want to end up in 1gal. Ziplocks in your **** freezer. I'll pass.

Dude! You were a defensive end. You're big. I only weigh 180 pounds. And I'm friggin old. A 180 pound old man isn't going to put you in the freezer.

Yeah. Jeffrey Dahmer didn't look like much either.

You'll be 200-210 by the time you're done feasting on his carcass.

[Wedgebuster]

I agree with the FBI assessment on their behalf, they need more fire power. I seen cops shoot.

[LeadBolt]

My goal is to be the one to put the intruder down, not the other way around. In the mean time, I'll take the FBI recommendation over your and wedgies. No disrespect meant, but somehow I trust their opinion on munitions to be a bit more authoritative than your and wedgies.

No offense taken LB.

If you want to see the picture worth 1,000 words take the shotgun to the range a shoot some patterns at various distances and loads and see what this thing you have can do.

Why would you presume I haven't?

[Grizo406]

For home defense, I'd suggest a 700 Nitro Express.

[UNI88]

I haven't read anything that differs, but I can tell you that if I shoot a piece of cardboard from 60' with a modified choke and a 28" barrel that the pattern will be about 2 ft wide, because I have done it. About a foot wider with an improved cylinder. Thats more than twice as far as the longest sightline in my house. Listen to wedgie, if you get hit with a 12 ga. inside a home you are going down and you aren't going to be shooting back.

My goal is to be the one to put the intruder down, not the other way around. In the mean time, I'll take the FBI recommendation over your and wedgies. No disrespect meant, but somehow I trust their opinion on munitions to be a bit more authoritative than your and wedgies.

Wedgie's the subject matter expert when it comes to firearms and munitions (knowledge, experience and common sense) . I'll take his and Dawg's word for it.

[houndawg]

No offense taken LB.

If you want to see the picture worth 1,000 words take the shotgun to the range a shoot some patterns at various distances and loads and see what this thing you have can do.

Why would you presume I haven't?

Because you were talking about what you read not what you saw. If you want to test the depth of penetration put some water jugs behind the cardboard, not exactly the density of humans but not too far off.