Chuck Hagel Punnished For Views on GWB..

[kalm]

Lindsey Graham called Hagel a "radical" on one of the talk shows yesterday.

[ASUMountaineer]

Sounds like most Republicans on the Hill nowadays...well, minus the medals part. Sad state of affairs for the GOP. Today's Republicans are ruining the word "conservative." What a shame.

It was well played by Obama. He put up a "Republican", and much to Obama's pleasure the guy looked like a complete imbecile in the confirmation hearings. Once the nomination goes down the shitter, the focus won't be that Obama put up an idiot, the media will play it out that the idiot was a "Republican".

Cool. So, Obama used Hagel as a ploy to make Republicans look stupid (not that they needed any help). Any comment on my actual post, or just more ranting about Obama?

[ASUMountaineer]

Lindsey Graham called Hagel a "radical" on one of the talk shows yesterday.

There are not enough negative adjectives to accurately describe Lindsey Graham.

[Baldy]

It was well played by Obama. He put up a "Republican", and much to Obama's pleasure the guy looked like a complete imbecile in the confirmation hearings. Once the nomination goes down the shitter, the focus won't be that Obama put up an idiot, the media will play it out that the idiot was a "Republican".

Cool. So, Obama used Hagel as a ploy to make Republicans look stupid (not that they needed any help). Any comment on my actual post, or just more ranting about Obama?

Saying it was well played by Obama is a rant? Most would say it's a compliment.

It wasn't a ploy. Like many of Obama's nominees, Hagel was a horrible choice from the start. It was a win/win for him. Looking at it through the media's eyes....If Hagel is confirmed, Obama got his puppet. If Hagel isn't confirmed, it was the Republicans fault because they ate one of their own. Again, it was well played on his part.

[ASUMountaineer]

Cool. So, Obama used Hagel as a ploy to make Republicans look stupid (not that they needed any help). Any comment on my actual post, or just more ranting about Obama?

Saying it was well played by Obama is a rant? Most would say it's a compliment.

It wasn't a ploy. Like many of Obama's nominees, Hagel was a horrible choice from the start. It was a win/win for him. Looking at it through the media's eyes....If Hagel is confirmed, Obama got his puppet. If Hagel isn't confirmed, it was the Republicans fault because they ate one of their own. Again, it was well played on his part.

Cool story. It's a rant because it was irrelevant to my post.

What does that have to do with this?

Sounds like most Republicans on the Hill nowadays...well, minus the medals part. Sad state of affairs for the GOP. Today's Republicans are ruining the word "conservative." What a shame.

[Baldy]

Saying it was well played by Obama is a rant? Most would say it's a compliment.

It wasn't a ploy. Like many of Obama's nominees, Hagel was a horrible choice from the start. It was a win/win for him. Looking at it through the media's eyes....If Hagel is confirmed, Obama got his puppet. If Hagel isn't confirmed, it was the Republicans fault because they ate one of their own. Again, it was well played on his part.

Cool story. It's a rant because it was irrelevant to my post.

What does that have to do with this?

Sounds like most Republicans on the Hill nowadays...well, minus the medals part. Sad state of affairs for the GOP. Today's Republicans are ruining the word "conservative." What a shame.

What you said wasn't profound. The establishment for both parties suck balls.

[ASUMountaineer]

Cool story. It's a rant because it was irrelevant to my post.

What does that have to do with this?

What you said wasn't profound. The establishment for both parties suck balls.

Apparently profound enough for you to respond.

But please, tell us more about Obama's stupid/genius move.

[Baldy]

What you said wasn't profound. The establishment for both parties suck balls.

Apparently profound enough for you to respond.

But please, tell us more about Obama's stupid/genius move.

Interesting...according to you, I didn't respond.

Any comment on my actual post, or just more ranting about Obama?

Then again, it doesn't mean anything, I'll even respond to idiotic comments from kleany, spanos, and eagleskins.

[ASUMountaineer]

Apparently profound enough for you to respond.

But please, tell us more about Obama's stupid/genius move.

Interesting...according to you, I didn't respond.

Any comment on my actual post, or just more ranting about Obama?

Then again, it doesn't mean anything, I'll even respond to idiotic comments from kleany, spanos, and eagleskins.

Clever, I'll give you that. I said you made "no comment on my actual post." I was simply looking for a link between the two posts, but clearly there wasn't one.

So, again, please tell us more Obama's stupid/genius move.

[Baldy]

So, again, please tell us more Obama's stupid/genius move.

You're going to have to be more specific. Obama has made too many stupid moves to count, and there has yet to be one where it was a stroke of genius.

[ASUMountaineer]

So, again, please tell us more Obama's stupid/genius move.

You're going to have to be more specific. Obama has made too many stupid moves to count, and there has yet to be one where it was a stroke of genius.

Sure. You explained that it was stupid for him to nominate Hagel, yet you also explained that it was genius ("win/win") because either way the Republicans come out looking bad. Go!

[Ibanez]

Lindsey Graham called Hagel a "radical" on one of the talk shows yesterday.

You're welcome. South Carolina aims to entertain.

[BDKJMU]

Chuck Hagel is a joke. The only reason he's been nominated is that he's a RINO with a few medals. **** is as dumb as a box of rocks and couldn't find Egypt on a map.

Oh my goodness...the conk hand wringing over this one.

At least he was smart enough to speak out against the Iraq War after it went south.

What an idiot.

Charles Timothy "Chuck" Hagel (born October 4, 1946)[3] is an American politician who was a United States Senator from Nebraska from 1997 to 2009.
A recipient of two Purple Hearts while an infantry squad leader in the Vietnam War, Hagel returned home to start careers in business and politics. He co-founded Vanguard Cellular, the primary source of his personal wealth, and served as president of the McCarthy Group, an investment banking firm, and CEO of American Information Systems Inc., a computerized voting machine manufacturer. A member of the Republican Party, Hagel was first elected to the United States Senate in 1996. He was reelected in 2002, and retired in 2008. Hagel is currently a professor at the Edmund A. Walsh School of Foreign Service at Georgetown University, chairman of the Atlantic Council, and co-chairman of the President's Intelligence Advisory Board. He also serves on a number of boards of directors, including that of Chevron Corporation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chuck_Hagel" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Hagel at the start of the surge called it, “the greatest foreign policy blunder since the Vietnam War.” He was proven wrong- the 07' surge was a success. When now asked he won't admit he was wrong. He's not an idiot, but he's in denial, and he doesn't have the acumen to be Sec Def.

[GannonFan]

While I don't think Hagel is particularly bright, and he comes across often as dimwitted (you'd think McCain and him would buddies in duncery then, but for some reason not), I also think the Senate is getting in the way of a legitimate Executive Branch privilege. I'm all for the President having who they want as Cabinet members, as long as they aren't criminals or something so bad they shouldn't be in the job. The Senate should have their chance to throw stones if they want, but at the end of the day it's the President's Cabinet and these are the people he wants. The longer they delay the inevitable (and Hagel will get the job pending some ethical bombshell) they more they look out of touch. Again just a silly thing to get hung up on.

[houndawg]

While I don't think Hagel is particularly bright, and he comes across often as dimwitted (you'd think McCain and him would buddies in duncery then, but for some reason not), I also think the Senate is getting in the way of a legitimate Executive Branch privilege. I'm all for the President having who they want as Cabinet members, as long as they aren't criminals or something so bad they shouldn't be in the job. The Senate should have their chance to throw stones if they want, but at the end of the day it's the President's Cabinet and these are the people he wants. The longer they delay the inevitable (and Hagel will get the job pending some ethical bombshell) they more they look out of touch. Again just a silly thing to get hung up on.

The dems have to be looking at this as a bonus.

Five years of daily beatings have begun to show on McCain, I feel embarrassed for him when he gets on national TV.

[GannonFan]

While I don't think Hagel is particularly bright, and he comes across often as dimwitted (you'd think McCain and him would buddies in duncery then, but for some reason not), I also think the Senate is getting in the way of a legitimate Executive Branch privilege. I'm all for the President having who they want as Cabinet members, as long as they aren't criminals or something so bad they shouldn't be in the job. The Senate should have their chance to throw stones if they want, but at the end of the day it's the President's Cabinet and these are the people he wants. The longer they delay the inevitable (and Hagel will get the job pending some ethical bombshell) they more they look out of touch. Again just a silly thing to get hung up on.

The dems have to be looking at this as a bonus.

Five years of daily beatings have begun to show on McCain, I feel embarrassed for him when he gets on national TV.

They do and they don't, though, IMO. Political parties do get defined, in part, by their opponents. And Obama has been an amazingly effective politician in being able to dictate how the other party gets portrayed. He's absolutely obliterated the GOP recently and he's in the White House because of it. However, it's almost like a scorched earth kind of win (not a great metaphor, I know) because now that he's won, he's still left to deal with the GOP that he's helped to form. Granted, he's not the only one and the GOP deserves a fair amount of blame as well, but at the end of the day, we have a dysfunctional GOP that can't be worked with because that's what Obama backed them into being in the way that he's won Presidential elections. But he hasn't won the Congressional elections and that has left him an opposition party in one of the Houses that he just can't deal with. When you pillory and smear the other party so badly, and then only win part of the government, then you have a problem, and that's what we have today. The GOP that won the House is not a GOP that is ever going to bargain well with the President. And seeing how hard it is to win back control of the House (gerrymandering from both sides), I'm not sure Obama's going to get a different House to work with. And that makes the next 4 years pretty dismal in terms of what can be accomplished, namely, very little.

[Bronco]

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Real reason Obama wants him in is he feels the same way about Israel

Report: Hagel Said Israel Headed Towards Being An “Apartheid” State, Netanyahu A “Radical”…

Via Washington Free Beacon:

Secretary of defense nominee Chuck Hagel said Israel is on its way to becoming an apartheid state during an April 9, 2010, appearance at Rutgers University, according to a contemporaneous account by an attendee.

Hagel also accused Israel of violating U.N. resolutions, called for U.S.-designated terrorist organization Hamas to be included in any peace negotiations, and described Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu as a “radical,” according to the source.

[houndawg]

The dems have to be looking at this as a bonus.

Five years of daily beatings have begun to show on McCain, I feel embarrassed for him when he gets on national TV.

They do and they don't, though, IMO. Political parties do get defined, in part, by their opponents. And Obama has been an amazingly effective politician in being able to dictate how the other party gets portrayed. He's absolutely obliterated the GOP recently and he's in the White House because of it. However, it's almost like a scorched earth kind of win (not a great metaphor, I know) because now that he's won, he's still left to deal with the GOP that he's helped to form. Granted, he's not the only one and the GOP deserves a fair amount of blame as well, but at the end of the day, we have a dysfunctional GOP that can't be worked with because that's what Obama backed them into being in the way that he's won Presidential elections. But he hasn't won the Congressional elections and that has left him an opposition party in one of the Houses that he just can't deal with.When you pillory and smear the other party so badly, and then only win part of the government, then you have a problem, and that's what we have today. The GOP that won the House is not a GOP that is ever going to bargain well with the President. And seeing how hard it is to win back control of the House (gerrymandering from both sides), I'm not sure Obama's going to get a different House to work with. And that makes the next 4 years pretty dismal in terms of what can be accomplished, namely, very little.

The scorched earth tactics come straight out of Newt Gingrich and the neocons playbook GF, you know that. Now the shoe is on the other foot and the republicans aren't taking it nearly as well as they dish it out. This is a simple case of what goes around comes around.

[Grizalltheway]

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Real reason Obama wants him in is he feels the same way about Israel

Report: Hagel Said Israel Headed Towards Being An “Apartheid” State, Netanyahu A “Radical”…

Via Washington Free Beacon:

Secretary of defense nominee Chuck Hagel said Israel is on its way to becoming an apartheid state during an April 9, 2010, appearance at Rutgers University, according to a contemporaneous account by an attendee.

Hagel also accused Israel of violating U.N. resolutions, called for U.S.-designated terrorist organization Hamas to be included in any peace negotiations, and described Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu as a “radical,” according to the source.

Bebe is a Zionist radical, and plenty of people within Israel feel that way.

[GannonFan]

They do and they don't, though, IMO. Political parties do get defined, in part, by their opponents. And Obama has been an amazingly effective politician in being able to dictate how the other party gets portrayed. He's absolutely obliterated the GOP recently and he's in the White House because of it. However, it's almost like a scorched earth kind of win (not a great metaphor, I know) because now that he's won, he's still left to deal with the GOP that he's helped to form. Granted, he's not the only one and the GOP deserves a fair amount of blame as well, but at the end of the day, we have a dysfunctional GOP that can't be worked with because that's what Obama backed them into being in the way that he's won Presidential elections. But he hasn't won the Congressional elections and that has left him an opposition party in one of the Houses that he just can't deal with.When you pillory and smear the other party so badly, and then only win part of the government, then you have a problem, and that's what we have today. The GOP that won the House is not a GOP that is ever going to bargain well with the President. And seeing how hard it is to win back control of the House (gerrymandering from both sides), I'm not sure Obama's going to get a different House to work with. And that makes the next 4 years pretty dismal in terms of what can be accomplished, namely, very little.

The scorched earth tactics come straight out of Newt Gingrich and the neocons playbook GF, you know that. Now the shoe is on the other foot and the republicans aren't taking it nearly as well as they dish it out. This is a simple case of what goes around comes around.

So politics only started when Newt Gingrich came into office? Come on, this isn't anything different that's been happening for 200 years in this country, it's the same kind of politics that has always existed.

And how are Dems really making out well in this then? The Dems have the White House and they can and continue to make/let the GOP look like fools, yet they are still weighed down by a dreadful economy that is more their's everyday and they have put in place an obstinate House chamber controlled by the party they've helped to cariacuture and they can't do anything substantial without them. It's like teasing an ugly girl all through high school and calling her names and mocking her and then find out at graduation that you have to marry her. Sure, you get the diploma, but now you're sharing a bed with someone with an axe to grind. If this is winning then we need to bring Charlie Sheen back into the picture to talk about winning.

[houndawg]

The scorched earth tactics come straight out of Newt Gingrich and the neocons playbook GF, you know that. Now the shoe is on the other foot and the republicans aren't taking it nearly as well as they dish it out. This is a simple case of what goes around comes around.

So politics only started when Newt Gingrich came into office? Come on, this isn't anything different that's been happening for 200 years in this country, it's the same kind of politics that has always existed.

And how are Dems really making out well in this then? The Dems have the White House and they can and continue to make/let the GOP look like fools, yet they are still weighed down by a dreadful economy that is more their's everyday and they have put in place an obstinate House chamber controlled by the party they've helped to cariacuture and they can't do anything substantial without them. It's like teasing an ugly girl all through high school and calling her names and mocking her and then find out at graduation that you have to marry her. Sure, you get the diploma, but now you're sharing a bed with someone with an axe to grind. If this is winning then we need to bring Charlie Sheen back into the picture to talk about winning.

Wrong. Nice dodge though.


The Republicans are getting beat at their own game and they don't like it. If you didn't notice the escalation in the ideological rhetoric when the so-called neocons came into office then you weren't paying attention. The Republicans can thank the likes of Karl Rove and Grover Norquist and Newt Gingrich for turning their party into a national, no, worldwide, laughingstock.

[GannonFan]

So politics only started when Newt Gingrich came into office? Come on, this isn't anything different that's been happening for 200 years in this country, it's the same kind of politics that has always existed.

And how are Dems really making out well in this then? The Dems have the White House and they can and continue to make/let the GOP look like fools, yet they are still weighed down by a dreadful economy that is more their's everyday and they have put in place an obstinate House chamber controlled by the party they've helped to cariacuture and they can't do anything substantial without them. It's like teasing an ugly girl all through high school and calling her names and mocking her and then find out at graduation that you have to marry her. Sure, you get the diploma, but now you're sharing a bed with someone with an axe to grind. If this is winning then we need to bring Charlie Sheen back into the picture to talk about winning.

Wrong. Nice dodge though.


The Republicans are getting beat at their own game and they don't like it. If you didn't notice the escalation in the ideological rhetoric when the so-called neocons came into office then you weren't paying attention. The Republicans can thank the likes of Karl Rove and Grover Norquist and Newt Gingrich for turning their party into a national, no, worldwide, laughingstock.

Of course you think the rhetoric escalated when Newt Gingrich came aboard - you're a hardcore Dem partisan, what else would you think? To you the GOP is always at fault. That's a fine position to have, and you're free to have it. But politics has been politics for centuries - I think you're giving Karl Rove too much credit if you think he invented political mud slinging.

And like I said, what does it matter if the GOP is being beat at their own game or not? At the end of the day, Obama is stuck with a moribound economy and now an intransigent GOP controlled House that will likely stay that way throughout his last term. What has been won? To have the White House and no power to do anything truly substantial with it is nice but not what it could be. Politics might be the winner but for most of us who aren't partisans (although that's gotten less and less over time) there's not a lot of winning out here.

[Bronco]

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Bebe is a Zionist radical, and plenty of people within Israel feel that way

Searched this and didn't see any

but did find plenty of people in Israel that have Obama figured out... wonder why American Jews don't see it

[kalm]

Wrong. Nice dodge though.


The Republicans are getting beat at their own game and they don't like it. If you didn't notice the escalation in the ideological rhetoric when the so-called neocons came into office then you weren't paying attention. The Republicans can thank the likes of Karl Rove and Grover Norquist and Newt Gingrich for turning their party into a national, no, worldwide, laughingstock.

Of course you think the rhetoric escalated when Newt Gingrich came aboard - you're a hardcore Dem partisan, what else would you think? To you the GOP is always at fault. That's a fine position to have, and you're free to have it. But politics has been politics for centuries - I think you're giving Karl Rove too much credit if you think he invented political mud slinging.

And like I said, what does it matter if the GOP is being beat at their own game or not? At the end of the day, Obama is stuck with a moribound economy and now an intransigent GOP controlled House that will likely stay that way throughout his last term. What has been won? To have the White House and no power to do anything truly substantial with it is nice but not what it could be. Politics might be the winner but for most of us who aren't partisans (although that's gotten less and less over time) there's not a lot of winning out here.

So you're blaming Obama's meanness for the make up of the GOP?

[houndawg]

Wrong. Nice dodge though.


The Republicans are getting beat at their own game and they don't like it. If you didn't notice the escalation in the ideological rhetoric when the so-called neocons came into office then you weren't paying attention. The Republicans can thank the likes of Karl Rove and Grover Norquist and Newt Gingrich for turning their party into a national, no, worldwide, laughingstock.

Of course you think the rhetoric escalated when Newt Gingrich came aboard - you're a hardcore Dem partisan, what else would you think? To you the GOP is always at fault. That's a fine position to have, and you're free to have it. But politics has been politics for centuries - I think you're giving Karl Rove too much credit if you think he invented political mud slinging.

And like I said, what does it matter if the GOP is being beat at their own game or not? At the end of the day, Obama is stuck with a moribound economy and now an intransigent GOP controlled House that will likely stay that way throughout his last term. What has been won? To have the White House and no power to do anything truly substantial with it is nice but not what it could be. Politics might be the winner but for most of us who aren't partisans (although that's gotten less and less over time) there's not a lot of winning out here.

Wrong again, bro. Registered Independent since 1972.

You act like the republicans just became intransigent, that simply isn't true. And if you think the Republican's tactics didn't change with the coming of the neocons then you haven't been in touch for a while.

Nor am I a hard core democrat partisan, in fact, I would most always rather have the opposing party controlling one of the houses of Congress. I'm more of a populist and think Bernie Sanders is da man.

And I didn't venture an opinion as to whether it matters if the conks are getting beat at their own game; I'm just saying they are, that's all. Not that it isn't funny to watch them squeal, I mean these are the clowns that wanted to impeach a sitting Prez for getting some on the side, never mind that they were out soliciting in public restrooms themselves and screwing around on their dying wives.