Catholocism Inc.

[D1B]

Dead on analysis of what is and what needs to happen with that sad sack of a cult. It's no different than Enron and anyone still forcing their children to participate, donating money to it and kneeling at the command of old perverts in dresses is a fucking idiot. You've been duped by the world greatest scam.

Behold a global business in distress — incoherently managed, resistant to the modernizing forces of the Internet age, tainted by scandal and corruption. It needs to tweak its marketing, straighten out its finances, up its recruiting game and repair its battered brand. Ecce Catholicism Inc.

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[Ivytalk]

And Ivytalk Steinmetz will handle the IPO!

I've come to think that allowing male priests to marry and allowing women to become priests will be a big help. A generation ago, around 1974, people thought the Episcopal Church would go off the rails because it started to allow women priests. Now the Presiding Bishop is a woman, and most new priests are female. Men have no monopoly on spirituality.

[psychoCAT]

Dead on analysis of what is and what needs to happen with that sad sack of a cult. It's no different than Enron and anyone still forcing their children to participate, donating money to it and kneeling at the command of old perverts in dresses is a **** idiot. You've been duped by the world greatest scam.

Behold a global business in distress — incoherently managed, resistant to the modernizing forces of the Internet age, tainted by scandal and corruption. It needs to tweak its marketing, straighten out its finances, up its recruiting game and repair its battered brand. Ecce Catholicism Inc.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/18/opini ... share&_r=1&" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Like asking people for $$$ on here isn't a scam? LOL! Get a job you fat, unwashed, unshaved, shit smelling, numb nutted thimble dick you!!!

[psychoCAT]

And Ivytalk Steinmetz will handle the IPO!

I've come to think that allowing male priests to marry and allowing women to become priests will be a big help. A generation ago, around 1974, people thought the Episcopal Church would go off the rails because it started to allow women priests. Now the Presiding Bishop is a woman, and most new priests are female. Men have no monopoly on spirituality.

and this is why thousands of Anglicans have left the Episcopal church because the dykes running the show deny the orthodox Christian they once vowed to preach, push abortion as if it's a great moral and are nothing more than glorified unitarians who infiltrated a once great bastion of Christianity. "Truly they HAVE their reward..."

[Ivytalk]

And Ivytalk Steinmetz will handle the IPO!

I've come to think that allowing male priests to marry and allowing women to become priests will be a big help. A generation ago, around 1974, people thought the Episcopal Church would go off the rails because it started to allow women priests. Now the Presiding Bishop is a woman, and most new priests are female. Men have no monopoly on spirituality.

and this is why thousands of Anglicans have left the Episcopal church because the dykes running the show deny the orthodox Christian they once vowed to preach, push abortion as if it's a great moral and are nothing more than glorified unitarians who infiltrated a once great bastion of Christianity. "Truly they HAVE their reward..."

And what do you know about the Episcopal Church? Our presiding bishop is married with a daughter and worships at a "high church" in NYC. Piss off.

[D1B]

and this is why thousands of Anglicans have left the Episcopal church because the dykes running the show deny the orthodox Christian they once vowed to preach, push abortion as if it's a great moral and are nothing more than glorified unitarians who infiltrated a once great bastion of Christianity. "Truly they HAVE their reward..."

And what do you know about the Episcopal Church? Our presiding bishop is married with a daughter and worships at a "high church" in NYC. Piss off.

What's a smart guy like you doing believing in that crap? Seriously?

[psychoCAT]

and this is why thousands of Anglicans have left the Episcopal church because the dykes running the show deny the orthodox Christian they once vowed to preach, push abortion as if it's a great moral and are nothing more than glorified unitarians who infiltrated a once great bastion of Christianity. "Truly they HAVE their reward..."

And what do you know about the Episcopal Church? Our presiding bishop is married with a daughter and worships at a "high church" in NYC. Piss off.

I was episcopal for 3 months once upon a cup of coffee and actually enjoyed the liturgy and the parish I attended. Ah, Bishop Schori. Yes, she and I communicated once via email in one of my "wasn't thinking right" moments. Glad you mentioned her. I actually do owe her an apology.

You can't be totally blind to the fact that thousands are leaving ECUSA. APA and ACNA are seeing their numbers swell. That being said, I will always hold a special place in my heart for the Episcopal parish I did attend. Great rector, great choir and the men's fellowship group was a blast. No problems mate.

[Ivytalk]

And what do you know about the Episcopal Church? Our presiding bishop is married with a daughter and worships at a "high church" in NYC. Piss off.

What's a smart guy like you doing believing in that crap? Seriously?

Because if I didn't believe in the possibility of resurrection, and in something greater than ourselves, life on this planet would be pretty depressing. Good works are important, to help others less fortunate, but they're not enough for me.

[D1B]

What's a smart guy like you doing believing in that crap? Seriously?

Because if I didn't believe in the possibility of resurrection, and in something greater than ourselves, life on this planet would be pretty depressing. Good works are important, to help others less fortunate, but they're not enough for me.

Fair enough.

[kalm]

What's a smart guy like you doing believing in that crap? Seriously?

Because if I didn't believe in the possibility of resurrection, and in something greater than ourselves, life on this planet would be pretty depressing. Good works are important, to help others less fortunate, but they're not enough for me.

IT,

After his appearance on Maher a number of years ago, I picked up a book by John Shelby Spong. The guy makes the Episcopal philosophy seem very open-minded and approachable.

In the world of Christian scholarship, for example, to read the Bible literally is regarded as absurd. To call the words of the Bible "the Word of God" is more than naïve. No modern person can still believe that a star can wander through the sky so slowly that wise men can keep up with it, that God actually dictated the Ten Commandments -- all three versions, no less -- or that a multitude can be fed with five loaves and two fish. No modern person understanding genetics and reproduction can believe that virgins conceive, nor can those who understand what death does to the human body in a matter of just minutes still view the resurrection as the resuscitation of a deceased body after three days. Biblical scholars know that the accounts of the crucifixion read in Christian churches on Good Friday are not eye witness reports, but developed interpretations of Jesus' death based on a series of Old Testament texts selected to convince fellow Jews that Jesus "fulfilled the scriptures" and thus really was the "messiah." These issues and many others are assumed in the world of biblical scholars, but are viewed by many church-goers, together with the vast majority of television evangelists and radio preachers, as attacks on divine revelation that must be resisted in order to save Christianity. They thus, knowingly or unknowingly, join in a conspiracy of silence, ignoring truth when they feel they can and viewing biblical scholars, strangely enough, as the church's ultimate enemy. At the same time secular critics attack what Christian scholars know is nonsensical about both the Bible and Christianity and act as if they have discovered something new...

Christianity is, I believe, about expanded life, heightened consciousness and achieving a new humanity. It is not about closed minds, supernatural interventions, a fallen creation, guilt, original sin or divine rescue. I am tired of seeing the Bible being used, as it has been throughout history, to legitimize slavery and segregation, to subdue women, to punish homosexuals, to justify war and to oppose family planning and birth control. That is a travesty which must be challenged and changed.

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On the surface at least, Episcopalians appear to be light years ahead of catholicism.

[psychoCAT]

Spong denies the very Lord he claims to love and follow. He denies a Virgin birth, a resurrection, etc.

Spong is a unitarian that has made a good living planting deceit and discord among his fellow peers. Here is what a TRUE Episcopal Christian looks like:

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[kalm]

Spong denies the very Lord he claims to love and follow. He denies a Virgin birth, a resurrection, etc.

Spong is a unitarian that has made a good living planting deceit and discord among his fellow peers. Here is what a TRUE Episcopal Christian looks like:

http://www.anglicansunited.com/?p=14521" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Got a quote for how Spong has denied his lord?

Thanks for confirming his point. He reminds me of a christian version of the Dalai Lama

There is no need for temples, no need for complicated philosophies. My brain and my heart are my temples; my philosophy is kindness.

Dalai Lama

[Ivytalk]

As usual, the truth lies somewhere in the middle. Spong is regarded as being on the far left of the Episcopal church, both theologically and politically. And a number of conservative dioceses, as in South Carolina and Pittsburgh, have attempted to split off from the national church as well. The Anglicans are a relatively small, traditional group that broke away over the 1928 Book of Common Prayer and women priests. Lots of infighting for a Protestant church that is losing members as it is.

[kalm]

As usual, the truth lies somewhere in the middle. Spong is regarded as being on the far left of the Episcopal church, both theologically and politically. And a number of conservative dioceses, as in South Carolina and Pittsburgh, have attempted to split off from the national church as well. The Anglicans are a relatively small, traditional group that broke away over the 1928 Book of Common Prayer and women priests. Lots of infighting for a Protestant church that is losing members as it is.

IOW, Spong is on the Jesus side of the church?

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

As usual, the truth lies somewhere in the middle. Spong is regarded as being on the far left of the Episcopal church, both theologically and politically. And a number of conservative dioceses, as in South Carolina and Pittsburgh, have attempted to split off from the national church as well. The Anglicans are a relatively small, traditional group that broke away over the 1928 Book of Common Prayer and women priests. Lots of infighting for a Protestant church that is losing members as it is.

Same for the 'mainstream' Lutheran church in the US....ELCA. With their left-leaning agenda the last few years, they have created two new Lutheran entities.....LCMC and NALC, both are more conservative.

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

Dead on analysis of what is and what needs to happen with that sad sack of a cult. It's no different than Enron and anyone still forcing their children to participate, donating money to it and kneeling at the command of old perverts in dresses is a **** idiot. You've been duped by the world greatest scam.

Behold a global business in distress — incoherently managed, resistant to the modernizing forces of the Internet age, tainted by scandal and corruption. It needs to tweak its marketing, straighten out its finances, up its recruiting game and repair its battered brand. Ecce Catholicism Inc.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/18/opini ... share&_r=1&" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Well D1B, there are 1.5 billion Catholics in this world. The doctrine it preaches definitely appeals to many people.

[kalm]

Same for the 'mainstream' Lutheran church in the US....ELCA. With their left-leaning agenda the last few years,

Might have to go back to my roots sometime and check it out.

[D1B]

Dead on analysis of what is and what needs to happen with that sad sack of a cult. It's no different than Enron and anyone still forcing their children to participate, donating money to it and kneeling at the command of old perverts in dresses is a **** idiot. You've been duped by the world greatest scam.




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Well D1B, there are 1.5 billion Catholics in this world. The doctrine it preaches definitely appeals to many people.

First and foremost, people are catholic because they were born in a catholic family. This has nothing to do with anything other than being born. You, Bison, if your family was from Iran, YOU would a be a muslim. It's that simple. Religion is an accident of birth.

This aside....

Most catholics don't know the doctrine, they're just doing what they've been told to do by their parents for centuries. Atheists are more knowledgeable about the catholic church than most catholics.

A high percentage of the1.5 billion are children who were forced into the cult by their delusional and abusive parents. They don't know doctrine, nor do they care. They're doiog what their parents are forcing them to do.

Another large percentage are CINO's. They could care less about the church. They just haven't taken the next step and officially discarded the nonsense. They do show it by never going to church.

Another large percentage are catholics who, contrary to church doctrine, rarely attend church and couldn't tell what a eucharist is if their life depended on it.

Subtract all these out and there are probably only a few hundred catholics.

I disagree with your term "appeal'. The catholic church needs to and has spent trillions of dollars setting up an elaborate system of indoctrination to make sure people continue to give money and pay attention - Cultural genocide missions in other nations, schools from grade school to college and other indoctrination centers -baptism, confirmation and other cult rite of passage ceremonies, strict marriage rules, countless church groups and activities designed to monopolize your time and efforts, the Vatican spectacle, bullshit tales of miracles and saints, the saint factory, billions in public relations spending glorifying the church - not jesus - the church.

All this pales compared to the almost 1700 years where church and state were the same and they conquered whole nations, tortured, murdered and otherwise terrorized people if they didn't worship the catholic church, not jesus, the catholic church. They halted this only due to the objections of secular humanists and atheists who bravely challenged the tyranny of the church and forced it to change.

You're brainwashed sheep who inherited this disease from your well-meaning but ultimately abusive parents.



This is child abuse.

[psychoCAT]

D1B,

Have you come out and formally rejected your baptism? In the church's eyes, you're nothing more than a lapsed Catholic so why don't you tell us where YOU lost it at? You seem to call us believers diseased, messed up, etc, etc. So tell us what caused you to deny? Your father's death? A traumatic event?

What has Christ PERSONALLY done to you to cause your hatred? Those of us who would be DEAD without God and his church and are thankful daily for it have the right to know since you so eloquently love to call us out. Now, we demand the same from you. Thank you.

[D1B]

D1B,

Have you come out and formally rejected your baptism? In the church's eyes, you're nothing more than a lapsed Catholic so why don't you tell us where YOU lost it at? You seem to call us believers diseased, messed up, etc, etc. So tell us what caused you to deny? Your father's death? A traumatic event?

What has Christ PERSONALLY done to you to cause your hatred? Those of us who would be DEAD without God and his church and are thankful daily for it have the right to know since you so eloquently love to call us out. Now, we demand the same from you. Thank you.

Another BS religion ruse:

Crediting ONLY the good shit to god and giving him a pass on all the horrible shit, like your poor mental, emotional and physical health and the fact that human reproductive system is so flawed that a majority if pregnancies are spontaneously aborted.

[D1B]

D1B,

Have you come out and formally rejected your baptism? In the church's eyes, you're nothing more than a lapsed Catholic so why don't you tell us where YOU lost it at? You seem to call us believers diseased, messed up, etc, etc. So tell us what caused you to deny? Your father's death? A traumatic event?

What has Christ PERSONALLY done to you to cause your hatred? Those of us who would be DEAD without God and his church and are thankful daily for it have the right to know since you so eloquently love to call us out. Now, we demand the same from you. Thank you.

You have a very low estimation if god if you think the Catholic Church is his church.

Jesus would have been embarrassed and enraged by your travesty of a church.

[psychoCAT]

Uh...you so totally didn't answer my question but that's okay. You're never gonna change me.

[D1B]

Uh...you so totally didn't answer my question but that's okay. You're never gonna change me.

Your question is stupid.

You're a Catholic boob.

[psychoCAT]

D1B,

Have you come out and formally rejected your baptism? In the church's eyes, you're nothing more than a lapsed Catholic so why don't you tell us where YOU lost it at? You seem to call us believers diseased, messed up, etc, etc. So tell us what caused you to deny? Your father's death? A traumatic event?

What has Christ PERSONALLY done to you to cause your hatred? Those of us who would be DEAD without God and his church and are thankful daily for it have the right to know since you so eloquently love to call us out. Now, we demand the same from you. Thank you.

You have a very low estimation if god if you think the Catholic Church is his church.

Jesus would have been embarrassed and enraged by your travesty of a church.

Assuming you've actually opened up a Bible in the last few years, you do recall the parable of the flowers and weeds that grow together in the Master's garden? The church is no different. HUMANITY is no different. You yourself admit that humans are flawed then act shocked that someone in the religious community, a flawed human that YOU admit, sins and causes great pain.

I'm not condoning ONE IOTA, yet I realize the frailty of humanity. Hello, it's why we need a saviour. You admit humans are flawed, yet deny that we need a saviour......

Rejoice in the fact that even we Catholics want to see this mess cleaned up. Rejoice that people want to change and be better. D1B, no offense, but you seem to be the one who is miserable. You claim you don't believe in God, yet your entire existence on this board is to constantly besmirch and belittle those who do believe in God. Your own brother's experiences have still left you hard hearted.

Go talk to a priest. I'M BEING SERIOUS. Talk to a priest, tell him what ills you towards the church and go from there. Let go of that baggage. You are proof that atheism is in itself now a religion by your actions.

I'll be rooting for ya man.

[CID1990]

D1B,

Have you come out and formally rejected your baptism? In the church's eyes, you're nothing more than a lapsed Catholic so why don't you tell us where YOU lost it at? You seem to call us believers diseased, messed up, etc, etc. So tell us what caused you to deny? Your father's death? A traumatic event?

What has Christ PERSONALLY done to you to cause your hatred? Those of us who would be DEAD without God and his church and are thankful daily for it have the right to know since you so eloquently love to call us out. Now, we demand the same from you. Thank you.

You have a very low estimation if god if you think the Catholic Church is his church.

Jesus would have been embarrassed and enraged by your travesty of a church.

Consistency foul!

15 yards and loss of down.

I thought Jesus was a scofflaw goatherd.

(BTW this agnostic agrees)