had a guy tell me that the Tea Party is America's...

[Ibanez]

I forgot, oil was going to pay for it. Oil that didn't belong to us was going to pay for it.

OK, answer this, How much money do you think we have spent on this war, and who will pay for it?

I think it is about $1.5 trillion. And you, your kids, grandkids, great grand kids will pay for it.

[UNI88]

OK, answer this, How much money do you think we have spent on this war, and who will pay for it?

I think it is about $1.5 trillion. And you, your kids, grandkids, great grand kids will pay for it.

So the same people who will be paying for Obamacare, Social Security for other people's retirements, etc. Our government continues to spend money they haven't even raised from taxes our children and grandchildren will pay. It's the personal finance equivalent of taking out a home equity loan to pay for groceries and the electricity bill.

[ASUMountaineer]

Welcome to the conversation CID. I was dealing with the construct of BDK's point. Nevertheless, I agree with you that there were many conservatives that were anti-Bush's policies, including me. But, keep on believing that anyone critical of the Tea Party is a sheep of the "liberal media" that is only out to usher in Marxism.

See, I can throw out baseless and ridiculous generalizations too. Stick around, you may see that many of us true conservatives don't feel the need to associate with a party of any kind, especially one that accepts non-conservative extremist hacks. And, before you say it, I feel the same way about OWS.

Your question was pointed and no different than the thousands of times it has been brought up- that the tea party is only in existence because the President is black and their fiscal complaints are just a smokescreen for racism.

I never said I was affiliated with the tea party. I do sympathize with their complaints about how we are spending money.

Glad to see you hold the scepter of determining who is a true conservative and who is not. Keep up the good work.

This is where you make a false assumption.

Are there some members of the Tea Party that are not racists? Absolutely. Are there some members of the Tea Party that are racists? Probably. However, the only implication intended with my question was that the Tea Party really didn't get started until 2009, when a Democrat became president, and that a vast majority of these people never complained about runaway spending while a Republican was in office. You're telling yourself a story to support an ill-conceived argument against my post, but your story is incorrect.

If I had intended to convey that I thought the Tea Party had a racist mission, as you say, I would have just said it. I mean what I say, and say what I mean. Try again.

[CID1990]

Of COURSE their funding increased when Obama took office. Surely it had nothing to do with the most liberal, big government politician to ever sit in the White House taking office.

The foundation for the tea party was laid in 2004-ish, and it would not be quite as loud now if McCain had won, but there's a beef with him too, and there would certainly be a tea party today.

As for Bachmann, she's not necessarily the enduring face of the tea party. I'd probably say that's quickly becoming Rand Paul. Either way, the tea party is way too loosely organized to claim a titular head. That's one of the reasons the media is able to have their feeding frenzy- too many outliers in the group, and too many different "voices" of the tea party.

How could he be the "most liberal, big government politician to ever sit in the White House" if he had only been in office for less than a month?

He wasnt living in a vacuum, dude. When the Dems trotted him out in the convention 4 years prior it became quickly clear what the guy was all about. You can argue with that, but his record over the last 4 years more than backs it up.

[eagleskins]

These wars, which have benefited no Americans, will be paid by our grandchildren. Health care, which will benefit a ton of Americans, will be paid for by our grandchildren. Pubs keep spinning.

[kalm]

These wars, which have benefited no Americans, will be paid by our grandchildren. Health care, which will benefit a ton of Americans, will be paid for by our grandchildren. Pubs keep spinning.

Yes,the good folks at United Health Care and Pfizer are all our children.

[mrklean]

OK, answer this, How much money do you think we have spent on this war, and who will pay for it?

It's already been paid for with the Bush tax cuts...duh.

[mrklean]

OK, answer this, How much money do you think we have spent on this war, and who will pay for it?

I think it is about $1.5 trillion. And you, your kids, grandkids, great grand kids will pay for it.

BINGO

[Ibanez]

These wars, which have benefited no Americans, will be paid by our grandchildren. Health care, which will benefit a ton of Americans, will be paid for by our grandchildren. Pubs keep spinning.

That isn't true. Millions of Americans have benefited from the wars. I've benefited from the wars.

[Ibanez]

How could he be the "most liberal, big government politician to ever sit in the White House" if he had only been in office for less than a month?

He wasnt living in a vacuum, dude. When the Dems trotted him out in the convention 4 years prior it became quickly clear what the guy was all about. You can argue with that, but his record over the last 4 years more than backs it up.

So it was a preemptive strike?

"You haven't been in office long enough to do anything, but we're taxed enough already!"

[CID1990]

He wasnt living in a vacuum, dude. When the Dems trotted him out in the convention 4 years prior it became quickly clear what the guy was all about. You can argue with that, but his record over the last 4 years more than backs it up.

So it was a preemptive strike?

"You haven't been in office long enough to do anything, but we're taxed enough already!"

Now you are abandoning common sense.

[houndawg]

These wars, which have benefited no Americans, will be paid by our grandchildren. Health care, which will benefit a ton of Americans, will be paid for by our grandchildren. Pubs keep spinning.

That isn't true. Millions of Americans have benefited from the wars. I've benefited from the wars.

Temporarily. Long term not so much, unless you're way up the food chain.

[Ibanez]

That isn't true. Millions of Americans have benefited from the wars. I've benefited from the wars.

Temporarily. Long term not so much, unless you're way up the food chain.

We've all benefited from the wars.

[houndawg]

Temporarily. Long term not so much, unless you're way up the food chain.

We've all benefited from the wars.

Not as much as we would with no wars and higher gas prices.

[kalm]

Turns out, the Tea Party may have been around for a lot longer than we think:

In the 1980s, the study found, the tobacco industry launched a PR campaign focused around the idea that cigarette taxes, public health studies and other anti-smoking initiatives infringed on "smokers' rights." Anything that curtailed industry profits would be recast as an infringement on smokers by an intrusive government. Sound familiar?

In 1993, an ad executive working for Phillip Morris proposed that the Coalition Against Regressive Taxation form a new campaign that, 20 years later, sounds a lot like what we know today: "Grounded in the theme of 'The New American Tax Revolution' or 'The New Boston Tea Party,' the campaign should take the form of citizens representing the widest constituency base mobilized with signage and other attention-drawing accoutrements such as lapel buttons, handouts, petitions and even costumes."

The Tobacco Control study cites a 1995 memo by another tobacco strategist, calling for the industry to "quarterback behind the scenes, third-party efforts" that would support its agenda. In 2002, Citizens for a Sound Economy (CSE), which had received funding from the tobacco industry since the late Eighties, set up a website for the "US Tea Party." The tobacco-funded organization later split to become Americans for Prosperity and Freedom Works – two groups still closely associated with the Tea Party as we now know it. According to the study's authors, both groups "continue to advocate on behalf of the tobacco industry's anti-tax, anti-regulation agenda."

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[houndawg]

Turns out, the Tea Party may have been around for a lot longer than we think:

In the 1980s, the study found, the tobacco industry launched a PR campaign focused around the idea that cigarette taxes, public health studies and other anti-smoking initiatives infringed on "smokers' rights." Anything that curtailed industry profits would be recast as an infringement on smokers by an intrusive government. Sound familiar?

In 1993, an ad executive working for Phillip Morris proposed that the Coalition Against Regressive Taxation form a new campaign that, 20 years later, sounds a lot like what we know today: "Grounded in the theme of 'The New American Tax Revolution' or 'The New Boston Tea Party,' the campaign should take the form of citizens representing the widest constituency base mobilized with signage and other attention-drawing accoutrements such as lapel buttons, handouts, petitions and even costumes."

The Tobacco Control study cites a 1995 memo by another tobacco strategist, calling for the industry to "quarterback behind the scenes, third-party efforts" that would support its agenda. In 2002, Citizens for a Sound Economy (CSE), which had received funding from the tobacco industry since the late Eighties, set up a website for the "US Tea Party." The tobacco-funded organization later split to become Americans for Prosperity and Freedom Works – two groups still closely associated with the Tea Party as we now know it. According to the study's authors, both groups "continue to advocate on behalf of the tobacco industry's anti-tax, anti-regulation agenda."

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dudes weren't messing around...

[Ibanez]

How could he be the "most liberal, big government politician to ever sit in the White House" if he had only been in office for less than a month?

He wasnt living in a vacuum, dude. When the Dems trotted him out in the convention 4 years prior it became quickly clear what the guy was all about. You can argue with that, but his record over the last 4 years more than backs it up.

So the Tea Party assumed he would tax.

[CID1990]

He wasnt living in a vacuum, dude. When the Dems trotted him out in the convention 4 years prior it became quickly clear what the guy was all about. You can argue with that, but his record over the last 4 years more than backs it up.

So the Tea Party assumed he would tax.

If they had been wrong, then you'd have a point. But he has delivered in spades.