Abortion?

[YoUDeeMan]

What Ibanez said. Something like 95% of Americans aren't virgins before marriage and honestly, I would neither expect nor care if my future partner is one.

C'mon, dude...your opinion doesn't count.

Not many of us have a back up plan that includes a bunch of virgins waiting for us in the afterlife.

[89Hen]

So then you should be OK with substituting...

I think chaining your children to a desk in the basement and giving them only bread and water is wrong, but I support a parent's right to make their own decision.

I support the right for people to make a decisions regarding their lives and especially when it concerns thier reproductive rights. I support your right to free speech. I know what you're trying to do, stick to the point.

And there's the problem.

[89Hen]

So then you should be OK with substituting...

I think chaining your children to a desk in the basement and giving them only bread and water is wrong, but I support a parent's right to make their own decision.

So chaining children to a desk in the basement and giving them only bread and water is the same as a woman's right to determine what happens to her body? That's the same point? Nice analogy AZ.

You're not this dense Kalm.

[SuperHornet]

Are you guys REALLY this dumb? Do you REALLY think that every person contemplating abortion would treat those kids like animals if the murder option were removed? Are you REALLY that cynical?

That's what adoption is for, numbskulls.

Get a new bag of tricks, guys. This one is about played out....

[Vidav]

Are you guys REALLY this dumb? Do you REALLY think that every person contemplating abortion would treat those kids like animals if the murder option were removed? Are you REALLY that cynical?

That's what adoption is for, numbskulls.

Get a new bag of tricks, guys. This one is about played out....

Yeah because every unwanted child is adopted into a great home.

[Ibanez]

Gotta be careful using the KJV around here, CAT. These youngsters might not understand it. Middle English is a foreign language to them. Heck, even MODERN English is often a foreign language to youngsters who are fluent in only ONE language: textese!

You're right. Biblical Hebrew and Biblical Aramic were translated into Greek, latin, German, English, etc.. all the while distorting the books. For instance, "almah" is Hebrew for a young woman of childbearing age, however that doesn't mean virgin. The US Conference of Catholic Bishops even agrees that "almah" more accurately means a young woman vice a virgin.

If the Hebrew writers had meant "virgin" then they would've written "bethulah".



Very interesting. Words mean things and when the church fathers were designing the Church and the books, words were deliberately altered, books were deliberately chosen and discarded all in hopes of giving the idea of Christianity which they wanted.

On a different topic, I understand the point of the Bible, but how come the churches can't recognize that Jesus most likely had siblings. Mary and Joseph were man and wife. They surely would've had children.

[Ibanez]

I support the right for people to make a decisions regarding their lives and especially when it concerns thier reproductive rights. I support your right to free speech. I know what you're trying to do, stick to the point.

And there's the problem.

Are you're saying that because people can't be trusted, the Gov't must enact laws to protect them?

Btw, i'm sincere. I'm not trying to be an ass or anything.

[Ibanez]

Are you guys REALLY this dumb? Do you REALLY think that every person contemplating abortion would treat those kids like animals if the murder option were removed? Are you REALLY that cynical?

That's what adoption is for, numbskulls.

Get a new bag of tricks, guys. This one is about played out....

Who has said that? I know a few women that have had abortions. They realized that they weren't prepared at the age of 19(and one at 24); they weren't prepared and they made a mistake. One of them now has a gorgeous baby girl and is a well adjusted person. The other is doing fine, single and building a career. Kids makes mistakes. They have a tough time being a single, 20 yr old parent. Why make the kids life any tougher? I agree, if you play with fire you get burned.

[89Hen]

And there's the problem.

Are you're saying that because people can't be trusted, the Gov't must enact laws to protect them?

Btw, i'm sincere. I'm not trying to be an ass or anything.

People can't be trusted with what?

[Ibanez]

Are you're saying that because people can't be trusted, the Gov't must enact laws to protect them?

Btw, i'm sincere. I'm not trying to be an ass or anything.

People can't be trusted with what?

You bold "their lives" and say that is the problem. What is the problem?

[89Hen]

Are you guys REALLY this dumb? Do you REALLY think that every person contemplating abortion would treat those kids like animals if the murder option were removed? Are you REALLY that cynical?

That's what adoption is for, numbskulls.

Get a new bag of tricks, guys. This one is about played out....

Who has said that? I know a few women that have had abortions. They realized that they weren't prepared at the age of 19(and one at 24); they weren't prepared and they made a mistake. One of them now has a gorgeous baby girl and is a well adjusted person. The other is doing fine, single and building a career. Kids makes mistakes. They have a tough time being a single, 20 yr old parent. Why make the kids life any tougher? I agree, if you play with fire you get burned.

You really think killing them is a better option?

[Ibanez]

Who has said that? I know a few women that have had abortions. They realized that they weren't prepared at the age of 19(and one at 24); they weren't prepared and they made a mistake. One of them now has a gorgeous baby girl and is a well adjusted person. The other is doing fine, single and building a career. Kids makes mistakes. They have a tough time being a single, 20 yr old parent. Why make the kids life any tougher? I agree, if you play with fire you get burned.

You really think killing them is a better option?

Let's see:

You can either be aborted when you are a fetus. You can't breath, you can't blink. You aren't aware of anything.(I should mention that while I favor abortion, i'm not sure about late term abortion) OR you can be brought into the world, live in the ghetto or a trailer park or foster home. You can live a life that is full of struggle where from Day 1 you have zero chance. Fuck that, kill me.

I know that isn't every case, but it's the vast majority. I'm taking a shot in the dark, but I would bet you that abortion rates among the uneducated, poverty prone classess are higher than compared to middle class and up. That's not to say it doesn't happen, just that it's is far less likely.

[Ibanez]

Who has said that? I know a few women that have had abortions. They realized that they weren't prepared at the age of 19(and one at 24); they weren't prepared and they made a mistake. One of them now has a gorgeous baby girl and is a well adjusted person. The other is doing fine, single and building a career. Kids makes mistakes. They have a tough time being a single, 20 yr old parent. Why make the kids life any tougher? I agree, if you play with fire you get burned.

You really think killing them is a better option?

So, i've answered every question you have asked. Answer mine.

[89Hen]

I should mention that while I favor abortion, i'm not sure about late term abortion

[89Hen]

You really think killing them is a better option?

So, i've answered every question you have asked. Answer mine.

Which question? Why make the kids life any tougher? It doesn't get any tougher than a death sentence.

[Ibanez]

I support the right for people to make a decisions regarding their lives and especially when it concerns thier reproductive rights. I support your right to free speech. I know what you're trying to do, stick to the point.

And there's the problem.

What is the problem?

[Ibanez]

I should mention that while I favor abortion, i'm not sure about late term abortion

What? I'm a dunce because while I support abortion, I haven't reached a conclusion on later term abortion? Don't be so judgemental.

[89Hen]

And there's the problem.

What is the problem?

We're talking about killing babies. Not removing tumors.

[89Hen]

What? I'm a dunce because while I support abortion, I haven't reached a conclusion on later term abortion? Don't be so judgemental.

Yes, you are a dunce for that. If you are against late term abortions, you MUST be against them at any time. Or do you really think you can give me an exact day of pregnancy on which abortions are and aren't OK?

[Ibanez]

So, i've answered every question you have asked. Answer mine.

Which question? Why make the kids life any tougher? It doesn't get any tougher than a death sentence.

Death is easier than living in poverty. Death is easier than fighting everyday for food and diapers. Death is easier than living in fear of the criminals in your Gov't housing unit. Death is easier for many of those people. It's not like they are born with all of these expierences. They are innocent and have no concept of what is going on.

Either abort of start sterilizing people that can't be trusted to be responsibile with sex.

[89Hen]

Death is easier than living in poverty. Death is easier than fighting everyday for food and diapers. Death is easier than living in fear of the criminals in your Gov't housing unit. Death is easier for many of those people. It's not like they are born with all of these expierences. They are innocent and have no concept of what is going on.

Either abort of start sterilizing people that can't be trusted to be responsibile with sex.

Now you're getting downright scary. So it should be OK to kill homeless people without their consent.

[Ibanez]

What? I'm a dunce because while I support abortion, I haven't reached a conclusion on later term abortion? Don't be so judgemental.

Yes, you are a dunce for that. If you are against late term abortions, you MUST be against them at any time. Or do you really think you can give me an exact day of pregnancy on which abortions are and aren't OK?

There is a huge difference with aborting in the third trimester as opposed to the Plan B pill. Why should hood rats and white trash continue to have these kids they can't afford? Why should they continue to put the strain on us to pay? Because they can?

Let me ask you this: Do you believe everyone should have full control over thier reproductive rights?

[Ibanez]

Death is easier than living in poverty. Death is easier than fighting everyday for food and diapers. Death is easier than living in fear of the criminals in your Gov't housing unit. Death is easier for many of those people. It's not like they are born with all of these expierences. They are innocent and have no concept of what is going on.

Either abort of start sterilizing people that can't be trusted to be responsibile with sex.

Now you're getting downright scary. So it should be OK to kill homeless people without their consent.

No. A fetus is not a breathing, human being.

Didn't lawyers for a Catholic Hospital just win a case using the law that says a fetus isn't a person?

[D1B]

What? I'm a dunce because while I support abortion, I haven't reached a conclusion on later term abortion? Don't be so judgemental.

Yes, you are a dunce for that. If you are against late term abortions, you MUST be against them at any time. Or do you really think you can give me an exact day of pregnancy on which abortions are and aren't OK?

Any day is the exact day, according to your god. However, he especially likes to abort them young, usually within a month of fertilization.

If fetuses were so special, why do half of em end up on a tampon or flushed down the toilet?

Hen, did your priests scare you with this shit when you were in grade school?:

[89Hen]

Yes, you are a dunce for that. If you are against late term abortions, you MUST be against them at any time. Or do you really think you can give me an exact day of pregnancy on which abortions are and aren't OK?

There is a huge difference with aborting in the third trimester as opposed to the Plan B pill. Why should hood rats and white trash continue to have these kids they can't afford? Why should they continue to put the strain on us to pay? Because they can?

Let me ask you this: Do you believe everyone should have full control over thier reproductive rights?

If by "reproductive rights" you mean abortion... no, because they are not just affecting themselves.

Is there a huge difference between 179 and 180 days?