Fed Court: Obama Broke the Law

[kalm]

But the neo-conservative movement is completely and utterly a subset of the Republican Party.

They were in the last decade, because they were embraced by the GOP. It was a symbiotic relationship and it was one of convenience. But rest assured, the hawkish nature of the neocons was the only thing they had in common. Watch what happens to neoconservatives if we ever wind up with a true foreign policy conservative Republican in the White House. They'll be right back there pushing for a globalist Clinton liberal.

Could be, but many neo-cons and Republicans also share a religious fervor and support of big business monopolies tied into elitism and exceptionalism.

[CID1990]

They were in the last decade, because they were embraced by the GOP. It was a symbiotic relationship and it was one of convenience. But rest assured, the hawkish nature of the neocons was the only thing they had in common. Watch what happens to neoconservatives if we ever wind up with a true foreign policy conservative Republican in the White House. They'll be right back there pushing for a globalist Clinton liberal.

Could be, but many neo-cons and Republicans also share a religious fervor and support of big business monopolies tied into elitism and exceptionalism.

Take out the religion part (although there are some "religions" on the left as well) and you could be just as easily be describing the Democratic core. The GOP is just upfront about it.

[kalm]

Could be, but many neo-cons and Republicans also share a religious fervor and support of big business monopolies tied into elitism and exceptionalism.

Take out the religion part (although there are some "religions" on the left as well) and you could be just as easily be describing the Democratic core. The GOP is just upfront about it.

Agreed. Both parties are very similar. Too similar. BTW, the two Republican revolutions prior to the Tea Party were driven by neo-conservatism.

[CID1990]

Take out the religion part (although there are some "religions" on the left as well) and you could be just as easily be describing the Democratic core. The GOP is just upfront about it.

Agreed. Both parties are very similar. Too similar. BTW, the two Republican revolutions prior to the Tea Party were driven by neo-conservatism.

I'll give you that for the last one, but if the other one you are talking about is the Contract With America, I'll have to disagree on that one. CWA was inward focused mostly on domestic and governance issues. The neoconservative movement is more outwardly focused, as in foreign relations. That brings us right back to what ultimately drove them to the GOP, as they are very hawkish.

The core of the movement also has another predominant characteristic- they were disproportionately Jewish. Sometimes when people were throwing "neoconservative" around as an epithet it could have been interpreted as "filthy Jew" depending on who was doing the throwing. There is so much yet unwritten about the connection between the Israel lobby and the neoconservative movement. I'm not anti-Israel by any stretch, but I disagree that routing Middle Eastern countries to "facilitate" a more friendly ideology with them (and therefore more Israel friendly) is not the way to make friends anywhere.

[Ivytalk]

They were in the last decade, because they were embraced by the GOP. It was a symbiotic relationship and it was one of convenience. But rest assured, the hawkish nature of the neocons was the only thing they had in common. Watch what happens to neoconservatives if we ever wind up with a true foreign policy conservative Republican in the White House. They'll be right back there pushing for a globalist Clinton liberal.

Could be, but many neo-cons and Republicans also share a religious fervor and support of big business monopolies tied into elitism and exceptionalism.

What, pray tell, is wrong with elitism and exceptionalism? I maintain that the "antis" of both are far worse for America: they tear down, but build nothing.

[travelinman67]

Could be, but many neo-cons and Republicans also share a religious fervor and support of big business monopolies tied into elitism and exceptionalism.

What, pray tell, is wrong with elitism and exceptionalism? I maintain that the "antis" of both are far worse for America: they tear down, but build nothing.

I'll bite on this one...

Methinks Klam's Freudian slip reveals the baser envy/covet of those whose American Dream was never attained. ( )
In reality, I suspect his intention was to criticize "exclusionary" policies...anti-competitive, government facilitated "monopolization" which ultimately weakens capitalism.

[Ivytalk]

What, pray tell, is wrong with elitism and exceptionalism? I maintain that the "antis" of both are far worse for America: they tear down, but build nothing.

I'll bite on this one...

Methinks Klam's Freudian slip reveals the baser envy/covet of those whose American Dream was never attained. ( )
In reality, I suspect his intention was to criticize "exclusionary" policies...anti-competitive, government facilitated "monopolization" which ultimately weakens capitalism.

T-man, I agree that crony capitalism is the pits. If that makes me klam's brother from another mother, so be it.

[kalm]

What, pray tell, is wrong with elitism and exceptionalism? I maintain that the "antis" of both are far worse for America: they tear down, but build nothing.

I'll bite on this one...

Methinks Klam's Freudian slip reveals the baser envy/covet of those whose American Dream was never attained. ( )
In reality, I suspect his intention was to criticize "exclusionary" policies...anti-competitive, government facilitated "monopolization" which ultimately weakens capitalism.

If i spent half the time you have convincing everyone that I'm a successful businessman with my finger on the pulse of the true economy...I'd be to Dback/AZ level post counts. There's a chinese proverb along the lines that he who attempts to justify, often does not convince...

At this point in my life I'm actually trying to reduce the amount of shit that I possess. I've had it very good...much better than most. It's a hard thing to do with a wife and kids though.

Nice projection...now kindly go back to delivering the mail (not that there's anything wrong with that )

BTW, you actually got the second part almost right. I'll post more on it in awhile.

[kalm]

Could be, but many neo-cons and Republicans also share a religious fervor and support of big business monopolies tied into elitism and exceptionalism.

What, pray tell, is wrong with elitism and exceptionalism? I maintain that the "antis" of both are far worse for America: they tear down, but build nothing.

'Big business monopolies tied into elitism and exceptionalism'...

I'm not anti-either. Except when they're used by neo-cons to get the humble masses on board with neocolonialism while shipping jobs and resources overseas. As T-man clarified, this flies in the face of capitalism (at least as you know it).

(I apologize for going all Chomsky...Kalm quitely slinking away, trying to avoid the wrath of Gannonfan. )