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Angry, fighting words from Secretary of State Hilary Clinton, this morning in response to a question from Sen. Ron Johnson (R-WI) when he questioned her about the Administration’s often repeated response blaming the Benghazi attack on a YouTube video.

Madame Secretary then follows her arrogant-sounding comment with, to paraphrase, it’s less important to find out why these militants did this, than to find them and bring them to justice. Yes, and here we are four months later, still looking for the perpetrators. Now we also learn that some of the militants involved in the latest attack on the BP plant in Algeria were also present in Libya:

The New York Times quoted an Algerian official saying that three of the militants captured alive told their interrogators that Egyptian members of their team had also been involved in last September’s attack in Benghazi against the American diplomatic mission in Libya.

So, “what difference, at this point, does it make?” The difference it makes is knowingly supporting and perpetuating the YouTube video farce, of which the Secretary was an all too willing participant (remember her filming an advertisement that played over the airwaves in Pakistan) vs. recognizing the transnationalization of Al Qaeda jihadists and the intent behind their actions; that North Africa is fast becoming the new Afghanistan and the Administration’s probable failure to realize this; which has resulted in the needless deaths of four Americans.

When Secretary Clinton admited she did not read the cables from her ambassador requesting more security, in an area that undoubtedly ranked as one of the world’s “hotspots”, her culpability, responsibility and failure of leadership became all the more incongruous and unforgivable. The arrogance displayed today should come as no surprise to followers of Mrs. Clinton through her political career. And when all else fails, obfuscate, bloviate, shift the blame — in this case, to Congress and lack of authorized funds for security.

Senator Rand Paul (R-KY) got it right (h/t Daily Caller):

“Had I been president at the time and I had found that you had not read the cables from Benghazi, you had not read the cables from Ambassador Stevens,” he went on, “I would have relieved you of your post.”

Hopefully, the American people will relieve her of her dreams of the Presidency.
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It's funny - I was in DC for this... the right wing bloggers are the ONLY people who are having that reaction. Everyone else... including the GOPers around town... were talking about how Clinton made Sen. Johnson look like a complete child.

As for Rand Paul... I like that there is someone in the Senate representing Breitbart. :coffee:
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Z - you are fucking nuts.

Hillary made Paul look so damn foolish. Hillary just won the 2016 election yesterday. She DESTROYED the Republican cry babies. She destroyed those that tried to politicize the deaths of Americans.
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dbackjon wrote:Z - you are fucking nuts.

Hillary made Paul look so damn foolish. Hillary just won the 2016 election yesterday. She DESTROYED the Republican cry babies. She destroyed those that tried to politicize the deaths of Americans.
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Yeah. What difference at this point does it make? None, to the cockgobbling, koolaid drinking leftwingers who are running this goat rope of a government right now.
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AZGrizFan wrote:http://www.redstate.com/politicalwoman/ ... s-it-make/
Angry, fighting words from Secretary of State Hilary Clinton, this morning in response to a question from Sen. Ron Johnson (R-WI) when he questioned her about the Administration’s often repeated response blaming the Benghazi attack on a YouTube video.

Madame Secretary then follows her arrogant-sounding comment with, to paraphrase, it’s less important to find out why these militants did this, than to find them and bring them to justice. Yes, and here we are four months later, still looking for the perpetrators. Now we also learn that some of the militants involved in the latest attack on the BP plant in Algeria were also present in Libya:

The New York Times quoted an Algerian official saying that three of the militants captured alive told their interrogators that Egyptian members of their team had also been involved in last September’s attack in Benghazi against the American diplomatic mission in Libya.

So, “what difference, at this point, does it make?” The difference it makes is knowingly supporting and perpetuating the YouTube video farce, of which the Secretary was an all too willing participant (remember her filming an advertisement that played over the airwaves in Pakistan) vs. recognizing the transnationalization of Al Qaeda jihadists and the intent behind their actions; that North Africa is fast becoming the new Afghanistan and the Administration’s probable failure to realize this; which has resulted in the needless deaths of four Americans.

When Secretary Clinton admited she did not read the cables from her ambassador requesting more security, in an area that undoubtedly ranked as one of the world’s “hotspots”, her culpability, responsibility and failure of leadership became all the more incongruous and unforgivable. The arrogance displayed today should come as no surprise to followers of Mrs. Clinton through her political career. And when all else fails, obfuscate, bloviate, shift the blame — in this case, to Congress and lack of authorized funds for security.

Senator Rand Paul (R-KY) got it right (h/t Daily Caller):

“Had I been president at the time and I had found that you had not read the cables from Benghazi, you had not read the cables from Ambassador Stevens,” he went on, “I would have relieved you of your post.”

Hopefully, the American people will relieve her of her dreams of the Presidency.
Watching that bitch squirm yesterday was priceless. She just saw ANY chance of becoming president go right out the fucking window. All hail Rand Paul! :notworthy: :notworthy: :notworthy:
Wouldn't vote for her, but her approval rating/poll numbers is at an all time high, and she's widely regarded as one of the better SecStates in recent memory. Just sayin'...
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Grizalltheway wrote: Wouldn't vote for her, but her approval rating/poll numbers is at an all time high, and she's widely regarded as one of the better SecStates in recent memory. Just sayin'...
Yeah, getting ambassadors killed apparently does wonders for your approval rating.
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AZGrizFan wrote:
Grizalltheway wrote: Wouldn't vote for her, but her approval rating/poll numbers is at an all time high, and she's widely regarded as one of the better SecStates in recent memory. Just sayin'...
Yeah, getting ambassadors killed apparently does wonders for your approval rating.
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dbackjon wrote:Z - you are **** nuts.

Hillary made Paul look so damn foolish. Hillary just won the 2016 election yesterday. She DESTROYED the Republican cry babies. She destroyed those that tried to politicize the deaths of Americans.
I agree that Hillary came out ahead on this one but she will not win the 2016 election. She's extremely qualified and people love her in a cabinet role but when they start thinking about her as President all of the warts (haughty and crusty personality) and baggage (Bill is a double-edged sword) will come out and her campaign will sink.
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dbackjon wrote:Z - you are **** nuts.

Hillary made Paul look so damn foolish. Hillary just won the 2016 election yesterday. She DESTROYED the Republican cry babies. She destroyed those that tried to politicize the deaths of Americans.
I agree that Hillary came out ahead on this one but she will not win the 2016 election. She's extremely qualified and people love her in a cabinet role but when they start thinking about her as President all of the warts (haughty and crusty personality) and baggage (Bill is a double-edged sword) will come out and her campaign will sink.
She has had some recent health problems, will she be alive in 2016. :twocents:
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UNI88 wrote: I agree that Hillary came out ahead on this one but she will not win the 2016 election. She's extremely qualified and people love her in a cabinet role but when they start thinking about her as President all of the warts (haughty and crusty personality) and baggage (Bill is a double-edged sword) will come out and her campaign will sink.
She has had some recent health problems, will she be alive in 2016. :twocents:
She's in my death pool this year.

And the witch-like cackle she gave when the inferred reference to her running in 2016 was put out there was just downright scary. :lol: :lol:
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AZGrizFan wrote:
Grizalltheway wrote: Wouldn't vote for her, but her approval rating/poll numbers is at an all time high, and she's widely regarded as one of the better SecStates in recent memory. Just sayin'...
Yeah, getting ambassadors killed apparently does wonders for your approval rating.
No... but the other party trying to score cheap political points off of a national tragedy tends to. The rational people left in the room see this for what it is... a partisan attack.

There are needs for answers on what happened in Libya - and she was 100% right in saying our priority ought to be figuring out what happened and how to secure our embassies to prevent it happening again. The why matters far less - unless you are on a partisan fishing trip - looking for shit to tack on to a weak narrative calling this administration "weak"... (which in and of itself is a complete farce)
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Yeah, she was pretty damned feisty. I also remember the conks on this board talking about the idea of the situation room during Bhengazi which Hilary shot down. Was she lying?

I wouldn't vote for her either but she's got a good chance to win in 2016...if the economy doesn't slip...which I think it will. If the Republicans are smart enough to nominate Christie I think he will be our next president.
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TwinTownBisonFan wrote:
AZGrizFan wrote:
Yeah, getting ambassadors killed apparently does wonders for your approval rating.
No... but the other party trying to score cheap political points off of a national tragedy tends to. The rational people left in the room see this for what it is... a partisan attack.

There are needs for answers on what happened in Libya - and she was 100% right in saying our priority ought to be figuring out what happened and how to secure our embassies to prevent it happening again. The why matters far less - unless you are on a partisan fishing trip - looking for shit to tack on to a weak narrative calling this administration "weak"... (which in and of itself is a complete farce)
Actually, the priority should have been avoiding the fucking deaths in the first place. Which was totally doable if she'd only done her job. The second priority should have been getting help to those who were being attacked, which was totally doable if she and/or Panetta had done their JOBS. :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: But, lets go ahead and give her a big pass on THAT, and just let her try to fumble around and clean up the mess she herself made.

The political points that were scored were in the left's attempt to avoid any appearance that things were iffy in the Utopia of Libya, which would go against the argument that since "Bin Laden was dead and GM was alive" we had nothing to worry about from Al Quaeda and that they were on the run with their tail between their legs.
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dbackjon wrote:Z - you are **** nuts.

Hillary made Paul look so damn foolish. Hillary just won the 2016 election yesterday. She DESTROYED the Republican cry babies. She destroyed those that tried to politicize the deaths of Americans.
I agree that Hillary came out ahead on this one but she will not win the 2016 election. She's extremely qualified and people love her in a cabinet role but when they start thinking about her as President all of the warts (haughty and crusty personality) and baggage (Bill is a double-edged sword) will come out and her campaign will sink.
The polling on Hillary doesn't back that up (neither does it on Bill)

What the polling tells us about Hillary is that her personality is seen predominantly as "strong leader" - THE critical metric in winning a national election. Her numbers among women (not surprisingly) are through the roof and her numbers among men are MUCH stronger than you'd think.

Her numbers among men over 40 are bad - (as are all Dems) but under 40... she's perhaps the most popular political figure in America.

The ONLY thing that stops her in 2016 is her decision not to run. If she wants it - it's hers for the taking (the Dem nomination that is)
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TwinTownBisonFan wrote:
UNI88 wrote: I agree that Hillary came out ahead on this one but she will not win the 2016 election. She's extremely qualified and people love her in a cabinet role but when they start thinking about her as President all of the warts (haughty and crusty personality) and baggage (Bill is a double-edged sword) will come out and her campaign will sink.
The polling on Hillary doesn't back that up (neither does it on Bill)

What the polling tells us about Hillary is that her personality is seen predominantly as "strong leader" - THE critical metric in winning a national election. Her numbers among women (not surprisingly) are through the roof and her numbers among men are MUCH stronger than you'd think.

Her numbers among men over 40 are bad - (as are all Dems) but under 40... she's perhaps the most popular political figure in America.

The ONLY thing that stops her in 2016 is her decision not to run. If she wants it - it's hers for the taking (the Dem nomination that is)
Well they certainly wouldn't be able to pin her down with the no experience label, and Bill's legacy wouldn't hurt either considering he left office with a surplus. But if the economy crashes again, I think the Dems as a whole get blamed. Not saying she still wouldn't win the nomination, but I think folks would be looking to head in a different direction.
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TwinTownBisonFan wrote: The ONLY thing that stops her in 2016 is her decision not to run. If she wants it - it's hers for the taking (the Dem nomination that is)
Well, that and DEATH. She ain't makin' it to 2016.
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TwinTownBisonFan wrote: The ONLY thing that stops her in 2016 is her decision not to run. If she wants it - it's hers for the taking (the Dem nomination that is)
:rofl:

And that what all of the political experts said in 2008...when she was slaughtered by a newcomer. :dunce:
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dbackjon wrote:Z - you are **** nuts.

Hillary made Paul look so damn foolish. Hillary just won the 2016 election yesterday. She DESTROYED the Republican cry babies. She destroyed those that tried to politicize the deaths of Americans.
Doubtful, but she won't win because of this. That's ridiculous. It's incredibly difficult for a party to hold the WH for 12 years, and it usually doesn't end well.

I thought Jon Meachem's point on Morning Joe this morning was great, paraphrasing, "If I were Hillary Clinton I would have thanked Rand Paul for appointing her to SoS because she would be surprised that he would even entertain appointing her."
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AZGrizFan wrote:
Yeah, getting ambassadors killed apparently does wonders for your approval rating.
No... but the other party trying to score cheap political points off of a national tragedy tends to. The rational people left in the room see this for what it is... a partisan attack.

There are needs for answers on what happened in Libya - and she was 100% right in saying our priority ought to be figuring out what happened and how to secure our embassies to prevent it happening again. The why matters far less - unless you are on a partisan fishing trip - looking for shit to tack on to a weak narrative calling this administration "weak"... (which in and of itself is a complete farce)
Eight hours. That's how long the attack lasted. That is almost how long they were calling for air support. That is almost how long they were sending out real-time communications to CIA, DoS, DoD, Africom and that big-ass carrier battle group we had in the Med. That is almost how long we had drones, armed and unarmed overhead, providing live video feeds to Washington. Eight. Fucking. Hours.

WTF was Obama doing during those eight fucking hours? Answer me that, you fucking common party hack.
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dbackjon wrote:Z - you are fucking nuts.

Hillary made Paul look so damn foolish. Hillary just won the 2016 election yesterday. She DESTROYED the Republican cry babies. She destroyed those that tried to politicize the deaths of Americans.
If there's no fire in this smoky mess, how come Susan Rice felt compelled to withdraw her name from SoS consideration? :coffee:

This is hypocrisy at its finest....Dems were fully behind an Iraqi invasion post 9/11, then played Monday morning QB and said "they didn't have all the facts". :roll: Not as grand a scale here, but certainly the same playbook.
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CitadelGrad wrote:
TwinTownBisonFan wrote:
No... but the other party trying to score cheap political points off of a national tragedy tends to. The rational people left in the room see this for what it is... a partisan attack.

There are needs for answers on what happened in Libya - and she was 100% right in saying our priority ought to be figuring out what happened and how to secure our embassies to prevent it happening again. The why matters far less - unless you are on a partisan fishing trip - looking for shit to tack on to a weak narrative calling this administration "weak"... (which in and of itself is a complete farce)
Eight hours. That's how long the attack lasted. That is almost how long they were calling for air support. That is almost how long they were sending out real-time communications to CIA, DoS, DoD, Africom and that big-ass carrier battle group we had in the Med. That is almost how long we had drones, armed and unarmed overhead, providing live video feeds to Washington. Eight. Fucking. Hours.

WTF was Obama doing during those eight fucking hours? Answer me that, you fucking common party hack.
Exactly my point. One senator mentioned the real time feeds and she quickly shot that down. Why didn't they press her more on this? If Graddy knows all of these facts you'd think a Republican congressman would have been briefed on them and given the talking points...if they are facts. Why didn't they press her more on this?

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Republicans laid a huge egg yesterday, and Hillary effectively wiped it all over their faces.

They are officially now a fringe party, and the retards like Paul and that Nelson douche do nothing but further alienate them from the electorate they are trying so hard to pander to.

Desperate, drowning, and flailing.

We are now a one party system.
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Wedgebuster wrote: Desperate, drowning, and flailing.

We are now a one party system.
Perfect description of the country, Wedgie.
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AZGrizFan wrote:
Wedgebuster wrote: Desperate, drowning, and flailing.

We are now a one party system.
Perfect description of the country, Wedgie.
Your country maybe Z, mine is doing just fine.
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Perfect description of the country, Wedgie.
Your country maybe Z, mine is doing just fine.
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