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NY Police upset about new gun laws applying to them

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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/1 ... 95417.html
“As a law enforcement officer for over 20 years, I understand the importance of instituting a new policy on mandating the limits of bullets that a regular citizen can possess, but as a matter of fact
the bad guys are not going to follow this law,” said Norman Seabrook, president of the correction officers union, the city’s second largest.

“The way the current legislation is drafted, it actually handcuffs the law enforcement community from having the necessary ammunition needed to save lives,” he said. “We must not allow this to happen.”

Roy Richter, president of the Captains Endowment Association and a lawyer, said, “It puts retired officers in a position that the clip they were issued by the NYPD, carried for their careers and were fully trained on, is now considered contraband.”

Michael J. Palladino, who is head of the NYPD’s 6,000-member detectives union and president of the state’s association of Patrolmen Benevolent Association which represents 50,000 members, joined in calling for Cuomo and the legislature to immediately amend the law.

“Gun reform must prevent criminals and the deranged from getting illegal weapons — not restrict law-abiding retired cops from protecting themselves and the public,” Palladino said.

“I support the governor in gun reform, however the new legislation restricts law enforcement officers who retire and that could jeopardize the safety of the public.”
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http://reason.com/blog/2013/01/18/cops- ... ks-new-mag
DNAinfo.com calls the absence of a law-enforcement exemption a "loophole in the law," but in fact it is the very opposite of a loophole: Cops are outraged at the possibility that they might be treated the same as "a regular citizen" under the law. One has to wonder: If, as Seabrook says, the new magazine limit will have no impact on criminals and if, as Seabrook and Palladino agree, more than seven rounds sometimes are necessary to "save lives," what justification can there be for imposing this arbitrary restriction not just on "law-abiding retired cops" but on law-abiding citizens in general?

A spokesman for Gov. Andrew Cuomo told WABC, "We are still working out some details of the law, and the exemption will be included. Currently no police officer is in violation." I'm not sure why he says that, since the part of the law that bans pre-existing magazines holding more than 10 rounds is "effective immediately." According to WABC, "Nearly every law enforcement agency in the state carries handguns that have a 15-round capacity." The provision covering magazines that hold eight, nine, or 10 rounds takes effect on April 15. Contrary to what Richter says, such magazines won't actually be "contraband" for people who already have them, but their owners will be expected to put no more than seven rounds in them at a time. I am serious: That is what the law says. A prohibited "large capacity ammunition feeding device" is, among other things, a magazine legally obtained before April 15 that "contains more than seven rounds of ammunition."

It is implausible enough to suggest that a criminal—who by definition has no compunction about breaking the law, who is not legally permitted to possess firearms to begin with (if he has a felony record), and who is highly motivated to obtain the tools of his trade—would be deterred from obtaining a 10-round magazine by the legislature's new dictate, especially since plenty of them will remain in circulation. It is beyond fanciful to suppose that, having obtained a 10-round magazine, a criminal would think twice about putting more than seven rounds in it because legislators said he shouldn't. But in New York state, that whiff of a pretext suffices to abridge people's Second Amendment rights and, according to the cops clamoring for an exemption to the new limit, put lives at risk.

The Patrolmen's Benevolent Association says it is "actively working to enact changes to this law that will provide the appropriate exemptions from the law for active and retired law enforcement officers." State Sen. Eric Adams (D-Brooklyn), who is a former NYPD captain but nevertheless does not know which constitutional amendment protects us against unreasonable searches and seizures, told WABC he will introduce legislation restoring the double standard to which cops have become accustomed. "You can't give more ammo to the criminals," he explains. I thought that was the whole point of this law.
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This portion of the law needs to be fixed an quick.
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Nah just leave it as is.

It is a good example of what happens when the concern trolls and politicians become one.
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:lol: :lol:

Proof that this law will do absolutely nothing. But at least the politicians in NY care. :roll:
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HI54UNI wrote::lol: :lol:

Proof that this law will do absolutely nothing. But at least the politicians in NY care. :roll:
You must not be listening. Gov. Cuomo has put the criminals on notice they are no longer allowed to use high capacity magazines when committing crime.

See how easy it is to prevent firearm crimes?

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danefan wrote:This portion of the law needs to be fixed an quick.
Elitism at its worse...the police need to have more ammo than law-abiding citizens...

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Col Hogan wrote:
danefan wrote:This portion of the law needs to be fixed an quick.
Elitism at its worse...the police need to have more ammo than law-abiding citizens...

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Call what you want, but I agree with you that the police need more ammo than law abiding citizens. ;)
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danefan wrote:
Col Hogan wrote:
Elitism at its worse...the police need to have more ammo than law-abiding citizens...

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Call what you want, but I agree with you that the police need more ammo than law abiding citizens. ;)
I don't agree that police need more than law abiding citizens...

I'm not an elitist like you...
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danefan wrote:
Col Hogan wrote:
Elitism at its worse...the police need to have more ammo than law-abiding citizens...

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Call what you want, but I agree with you that the police need more ammo than law abiding citizens. ;)
Why do police NEED 15+1 round magazines?
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The only reason police want more bullets than law abiding citizens is to protect themselves...remember, the police HAVE NO DUTY TO PROTECT CITIZENS...

The courts have consistently ruled that the police do not have an obligation to protect individuals. In Warren v. District of Columbia Metropolitan Police Department, 444 A.2d 1 (D.C. App. 1981), the court stated: “... courts have without exception concluded that when a municipality or other governmental entity undertakes to furnish police services, it assumes a duty only to the public at large and not to individual members of the community.” Well, except for politicians whom receive taxpayer-financed bodyguards.

As my sig line says...when seconds count, the police are only minutes away...
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A poorly thought-out gun law that makes about as much sense as "no guns allowed" signs in schools? Shocking. I expect anti-gun zealots to be a lot more logical. :rofl:
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Pwns wrote:A poorly thought-out gun law that makes about as much sense as "no guns allowed" signs in schools? Shocking. I expect anti-gun zealots to be a lot more logical. :rofl:

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grizzaholic wrote:
Pwns wrote:A poorly thought-out gun law that makes about as much sense as "no guns allowed" signs in schools? Shocking. I expect anti-gun zealots to be a lot more logical. :rofl:

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Really? :dunce: :dunce: :dunce:
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Call what you want, but I agree with you that the police need more ammo than law abiding citizens.
I think they obviously do over time. But I don't think it's true that a law abiding citizen seeking to defend himself or herself would never need as much ammo as a policeman would need in a single situation.

Personally I think that if we really followed the spirit of the second Amendment we would not want police to have a guarantee to an armament advantage over an ordinary citizen. I think that there was a clear sentiment at the time for having citizenry armed well enough to give government pause when considering imposing its will by force. There was a paradox too. I think they wanted to be able to put down "insurrections." But at the same time I think they wanted ordinary citizens armed well enough to keep government from having a monopoly on military power.
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danefan wrote:
Col Hogan wrote:
Elitism at its worse...the police need to have more ammo than law-abiding citizens...

:(
Call what you want, but I agree with you that the police need more ammo than law abiding citizens. ;)
I have seen them shoot, yes, they need all the ammo they can haul. Or, maybe get more proficient with their firearms and less proficient with their donuts...
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Good luck confiscating all the higher capacity magazines out there. If they somehow manage to take away a 9mm 15+1 magazine you'll in turn push many of those people into higher powered .45 ACP, etc. weapons with a 10 round capacity. Gun makers and gun enthusiasts will find ways around this..... like many on here have said the guys with bad intentions who are counting on offing themselves or performing suicide by cop really don't care if they get caught with high capacity mags that circumvent the law.

The hardware doesn't cause the problems - a gun sitting in a drawer with 5 or 50 rounds doesn't kill innocent people. Screening for mental defects, background checks, etc. could be effective, but otherwise legislating limits on mag capacities is a band-aid on the problem. As long as there is a black market for weapons the bad guys will find a way to get them. All this legislation does is punish responsible, legal gun owners and does nothing to mitigate the larger issue of defining and combating the root cause of these senseless mass shootings.
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ASUG8 wrote:Good luck confiscating all the higher capacity magazines out there. If they somehow manage to take away a 9mm 15+1 magazine you'll in turn push many of those people into higher powered .45 ACP, etc. weapons with a 10 round capacity. Gun makers and gun enthusiasts will find ways around this..... like many on here have said the guys with bad intentions who are counting on offing themselves or performing suicide by cop really don't care if they get caught with high capacity mags that circumvent the law.

The hardware doesn't cause the problems - a gun sitting in a drawer with 5 or 50 rounds doesn't kill innocent people. Screening for mental defects, background checks, etc. could be effective, but otherwise legislating limits on mag capacities is a band-aid on the problem. As long as there is a black market for weapons the bad guys will find a way to get them. All this legislation does is punish responsible, legal gun owners and does nothing to mitigate the larger issue of defining and combating the root cause of these senseless mass shootings.
And increase the demand and cost of same..
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