If I died today

Post by **dbackjon** » Wed Dec 26, 2012 1:36 pm

Alex does not get any of my Social Security benefits. All that money that I have paid into the system - poof, gone.

Alex will not automatically get everything I own - 401(k), etc - even though he is the beneficiary, like he would if we had a legally recognized marriage.

Conservatives talk about fairmess - how is this fair?

Post by **AZGrizFan** » Wed Dec 26, 2012 1:38 pm

How, if he's the designated beneficiary, does he NOT get the 401k?

Post by **dbackjon** » Wed Dec 26, 2012 1:40 pm

AZGrizFan wrote:How, if he's the designated beneficiary, does he NOT get the 401k?

He will, but it is more of a pain, from what I have been told. Still looking into that. SS I know he will not get.

ASUMountaineer · Post by **ASUMountaineer** » Wed Dec 26, 2012 2:03 pm

dbackjon wrote:Alex does not get any of my Social Security benefits. All that money that I have paid into the system - poof, gone.

Alex will not automatically get everything I own - 401(k), etc - even though he is the beneficiary, like he would if we had a legally recognized marriage.

Conservatives talk about fairmess - how is this fair?

Those benefits can go back into the system. Besides, the government can better spend them than Alex can. Every good Democrat knows that!

All kidding aside, I don't see why you shouldn't be able to leave your assets to whomever you please--married or not. There are a lot of things that are unfair in life...though a slow process, hopefully we continue to make progress.

Post by **UNI88** » Wed Dec 26, 2012 2:43 pm

dbackjon wrote:Conservatives talk about fairmess - how is this fair?

I don't think it is fair.

Post by **HI54UNI** » Wed Dec 26, 2012 3:15 pm

dbackjon wrote:Alex does not get any of my Social Security benefits. All that money that I have paid into the system - poof, gone.

Alex will not automatically get everything I own - 401(k), etc - even though he is the beneficiary, like he would if we had a legally recognized marriage.

Conservatives talk about fairmess - how is this fair?

It's not fair. Being forced to participate in SS isn't fair either.

But that's another topic.

Rob Iola · Post by **Rob Iola** » Wed Dec 26, 2012 4:06 pm

I pay into the system, am conservative, and am legally married to someone of the opposite sex. And when I die I don't expect that she'll get any SS money either.

Post by **clenz** » Wed Dec 26, 2012 4:09 pm

My wife and I are paying into social security and we probably won't see any if it ourselves.....talk about unfair

Sent from the nexus of the universe

YoUDeeMan · Post by **YoUDeeMan** » Wed Dec 26, 2012 4:13 pm

Rob Iola wrote:I pay into the system, am conservative, and am legally married to someone of the opposite sex. And when I die I don't expect that she'll get any SS money either.

I agree with this. Why should a bitch, gay or not, get survivor benefits?

That idea of giving the social security benefits to the spouse was designed by folks in the 50's, where one person would work and the housewife would stay home. There should be no spousal surviver benefits these days.

So, screw Alex...and others like him (or her).

Post by **Cap'n Cat** » Wed Dec 26, 2012 4:44 pm

Cluck U wrote:
Rob Iola wrote:I pay into the system, am conservative, and am legally married to someone of the opposite sex. And when I die I don't expect that she'll get any SS money either.

I agree with this. Why should a bitch, gay or not, get survivor benefits?

That idea of giving the social security benefits to the spouse was designed by folks in the 50's, where one person would work and the housewife would stay home. There should be no spousal surviver benefits these days.

So, screw Alex...and others like him (or her).

Cap'n Cat agrees.

Post by **AZGrizFan** » Wed Dec 26, 2012 4:58 pm

HI54UNI wrote:
dbackjon wrote:Alex does not get any of my Social Security benefits. All that money that I have paid into the system - poof, gone.

Alex will not automatically get everything I own - 401(k), etc - even though he is the beneficiary, like he would if we had a legally recognized marriage.

Conservatives talk about fairmess - how is this fair?
It's not fair. Being forced to participate in SS isn't fair either. But that's another topic.

Agreed.

Rob Iola · Post by **Rob Iola** » Wed Dec 26, 2012 5:11 pm

By the way, we breeders rule...

Post by **dbackjon** » Wed Dec 26, 2012 5:56 pm

Then change the law so no one gets the benefits - as it stands now, we have inequality in the nation.

CID1990 · Post by **CID1990** » Wed Dec 26, 2012 6:27 pm

Rob Iola wrote:I pay into the system, am conservative, and am legally married to someone of the opposite sex. And when I die I don't expect that she'll get any SS money either.

This.

89Hen · Post by **89Hen** » Wed Dec 26, 2012 7:20 pm

Cap'n Cat wrote:
Cluck U wrote:

I agree with this. Why should a bitch, gay or not, get survivor benefits?

That idea of giving the social security benefits to the spouse was designed by folks in the 50's, where one person would work and the housewife would stay home. There should be no spousal surviver benefits these days.

So, screw Alex...and others like him (or her).

Cap'n Cat agrees.

+2

Post by **dbackjon** » Wed Dec 26, 2012 7:53 pm

Maybe you and the Mrs can fill out a form waving survivor benefits.

death dealer · Post by **death dealer** » Wed Dec 26, 2012 8:33 pm

dbackjon wrote:Then change the law so no one gets the benefits - as it stands now, we have inequality in the nation.

All over the place. Life ain't fair. Whoever told you that fucking lied. Equality is a myth, as much as freedom, liberty, justice. All myths to keep the rubes distracted while the real shit goes down.

But, yeah, that's bullshit. Fucking religion, eh?

Rob Iola · Post by **Rob Iola** » Wed Dec 26, 2012 8:41 pm

dbackjon wrote:Maybe you and the Mrs can fill out a form waving survivor benefits.

Where do we sign?! Of course, that means we don't have to keep paying, right?

Post by **dbackjon** » Wed Dec 26, 2012 9:51 pm

Rob Iola wrote:
dbackjon wrote:Maybe you and the Mrs can fill out a form waving survivor benefits.
Where do we sign?! Of course, that means we don't have to keep paying, right?

Nope - you get to be equal to me - pay in, spouse gets nothing.

Post by **CAA Flagship** » Thu Dec 27, 2012 4:52 am

Jon, you have a long road ahead. Since Social Security is a federal thing, and same sex marriage is a state thing, how long do you think it will take to make the survivor benefits mesh?

Rob Iola · Post by **Rob Iola** » Thu Dec 27, 2012 8:00 am

dbackjon wrote:
Rob Iola wrote: Where do we sign?! Of course, that means we don't have to keep paying, right?
Nope - you get to be equal to me - pay in, spouse gets nothing.

That's what we currently have, so what are you fussin' about?

Post by **dbackjon** » Thu Dec 27, 2012 8:08 am

Rob Iola wrote:
dbackjon wrote:
Nope - you get to be equal to me - pay in, spouse gets nothing.
That's what we currently have, so what are you fussin' about?

Nope

Post by **dbackjon** » Thu Dec 27, 2012 8:11 am

CAA Flagship wrote:Jon, you have a long road ahead. Since Social Security is a federal thing, and same sex marriage is a state thing, how long do you think it will take to make the survivor benefits mesh?

If the SCOTUS strikes down DOMA, then for residents of those states, they should be able to get it. Then, the SCOTUS should rule that this creates inequality among the states and makes marriage legal everywhere.

This is what SHOULD happen, as DOMA, and gay marriage bans are CLEARLY unconstitutional. However, Scalia, Alito and Thomas don't care about the Constitution, only advancing their extremist agenda, so it will be up to Kennedy and Roberts to decide if the SCOTUS will be a just one, or looked at in the future like the Dred Scott Court.

Post by **AZGrizFan** » Thu Dec 27, 2012 9:42 am

dbackjon wrote:Then change the law so no one gets the benefits - as it stands now, we have inequality in the nation.

They're going to solve the problem by running SS into the ground.

Post by **dbackjon** » Thu Dec 27, 2012 10:49 am

AZGrizFan wrote:
dbackjon wrote:Then change the law so no one gets the benefits - as it stands now, we have inequality in the nation.
They're going to solve the problem by running SS into the ground.

SS is still taking in more than it spends.

And merely raising the earnings limit would keep it solvent for centuries

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