NRA statement regarding CT shooting

[YoUDeeMan]

If we can't afford books and paper how are we going to afford to put 1-2 officers in every school?

We've got 40,000 troops n Afghanistan protecting their villages and their corrupt drug lords...and a host of other troops and "security specialists" all over this planet...and you wonder where we could get the funding for some security for our children in our schools?

Are you kidding?

[CID1990]

I'm suprised the NRA only has 4 million members. You see their stickers everywhere. Given the NRA's track record, you'd think g groups like the Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation or DU would be better voices for gun ownership at this time.

Not appropriate because the Second Amendment is not about hunting.

[CID1990]

Jon, you must have gotten married to the wrong person because you have turned into an angry, stupid, bitter old jackass.

You need to get laid...but use protection...we don't want you reproducing.

Uh...he's gay. Like....really gay. Like.. Liberace and Rosie O'Donnell gay.

Actually I'M gay like Rosie, too.

[CAA Flagship]

Uh...he's gay. Like....really gay. Like.. Liberace and Rosie O'Donnell gay.

Actually I'M gay like Rosie, too.

Jeebus. How many more of you are in that closet?

[SDHornet]

It's not the governments fault, engineers can't build a damn road or bridge that lasts that long, especially in Minnesota...

If roads and bridges didn't need to be maintained where would all those good paying, middle class jobs be found? If they did build something that never needed maintenance (yeah, we have lots of things that don't need maintenance ) you'd be complaining about that next. As your post shows, the thing we do have in vast abundance in this country is ignorance - we're overloaded in that department.

This. Infrastructure fails before its useful life expires because the bureaucrats in charge of getting them maintained fail to do so.

[SDHornet]

How **** up would our highways and bridges be if we didn't have a gas tax?

You'd be lucky to be able to drive from DE to Philly in less than a day, unless you took a toll road that cost $100/way.

Settle down, skippy, only making the observation that the current gas tax, through both the amount of it and the propensity of governments to take that tax and spend it on other things, has not been able to adequately fund the highway and bridge system in the US.

This. Man you are on top of these infrastructure questions. Well done.

[Ibanez]

Uh...he's gay. Like....really gay. Like.. Liberace and Rosie O'Donnell gay.

Actually I'M gay like Rosie, too.

Muff divers? I knew it!

[Ibanez]

If we can't afford books and paper how are we going to afford to put 1-2 officers in every school?

We've got 40,000 troops n Afghanistan protecting their villages and their corrupt drug lords...and a host of other troops and "security specialists" all over this planet...and you wonder where we could get the funding for some security for our children in our schools?

Are you kidding?

This.

[HI54UNI]

If we can't afford books and paper how are we going to afford to put 1-2 officers in every school?

We've got 40,000 troops n Afghanistan protecting their villages and their corrupt drug lords...and a host of other troops and "security specialists" all over this planet...and you wonder where we could get the funding for some security for our children in our schools?

Are you kidding?

So instead of using the credit card at Tanks R Us we are going to use it at Cops R Us? I agree we need to get out of many shitholes around the world but it isn't going to happen.

[HI54UNI]

This is sounding a lot like the TSA. Where are we going to get the 1-2 officers per school? Are these going to be the security guard rejects like we have with TSA?

It also reminds me of the Simpsons episode where they implement the bear tax.

No, utilize what is already in place. Police officers.

What's your solution?

I don't know what the solution is. Can officers in schools be part of it? Yes. Would one officer in this school prevented this. Maybe. But the odds are going to be against one officer stopping someone hell bent on doing something like this.

There are around 100,000 public schools in this country. Are we going to add 100,000 officers? You've got vacations, sick leaves, etc. so you are probably going to need twice that many. Are we going to use one entrance at each school and have a security checkpoint there? How many officers will that take? 3 or 4 per school? Are you going to need extra at for the 1/2 hour before school to get everyone through. What are we going to do if the 1 officer in a school is taking a shit when the shooter shows up? What if a group of 4 or 5 terrorists attack a school together and overwhelm the officer(s) there? Where do we stop? There is no good answer or simple solution. A ban on assault weapons won't prevent it. A cop in every school won't prevent it. I'd rather see a focus on the mental health issues because I think that would do more good.

[andy7171]

No, utilize what is already in place. Police officers.

What's your solution?

I don't know what the solution is. Can officers in schools be part of it? Yes. Would one officer in this school prevented this. Maybe. But the odds are going to be against one officer stopping someone hell bent on doing something like this.

There are around 100,000 public schools in this country. Are we going to add 100,000 officers? You've got vacations, sick leaves, etc. so you are probably going to need twice that many. Are we going to use one entrance at each school and have a security checkpoint there? How many officers will that take? 3 or 4 per school? Are you going to need extra at for the 1/2 hour before school to get everyone through. What are we going to do if the 1 officer in a school is taking a shit when the shooter shows up? What if a group of 4 or 5 terrorists attack a school together and overwhelm the officer(s) there? Where do we stop? There is no good answer or simple solution. A ban on assault weapons won't prevent it. A cop in every school won't prevent it. I'd rather see a focus on the mental health issues because I think that would do more good.

Completely prevent an attack, maybe not, but slow it the fuck down until backup comes, yes. If this turd knew there was an armed person at the front door, no way in hell he would have attempted this. He picked the weakest least resistant victim to kill. Cowards do that.

[HI54UNI]

I don't know what the solution is. Can officers in schools be part of it? Yes. Would one officer in this school prevented this. Maybe. But the odds are going to be against one officer stopping someone hell bent on doing something like this.

There are around 100,000 public schools in this country. Are we going to add 100,000 officers? You've got vacations, sick leaves, etc. so you are probably going to need twice that many. Are we going to use one entrance at each school and have a security checkpoint there? How many officers will that take? 3 or 4 per school? Are you going to need extra at for the 1/2 hour before school to get everyone through. What are we going to do if the 1 officer in a school is taking a shit when the shooter shows up? What if a group of 4 or 5 terrorists attack a school together and overwhelm the officer(s) there? Where do we stop? There is no good answer or simple solution. A ban on assault weapons won't prevent it. A cop in every school won't prevent it. I'd rather see a focus on the mental health issues because I think that would do more good.

Completely prevent an attack, maybe not, but slow it the fuck down until backup comes, yes. If this turd knew there was an armed person at the front door, no way in hell he would have attempted this. He picked the weakest least resistant victim to kill. Cowards do that.

The problem is element of surprise. Some might not go in and attempt this with an officer present. Most schools are locking all the doors but one. If the armed guard is located inside that one door the crazy walks in, draws his weapon and pops the guard. The only thing that does is give others a few second warning when they hear the first shot. If you don't see it are you going to assume the noise you heard was a shot or are you going to think it was something else? It's very difficult to defend against irrational people.

[Ibanez]

No, utilize what is already in place. Police officers.

What's your solution?

I don't know what the solution is. Can officers in schools be part of it? Yes. Would one officer in this school prevented this. Maybe. But the odds are going to be against one officer stopping someone hell bent on doing something like this.

There are around 100,000 public schools in this country. Are we going to add 100,000 officers? You've got vacations, sick leaves, etc. so you are probably going to need twice that many. Are we going to use one entrance at each school and have a security checkpoint there? How many officers will that take? 3 or 4 per school? Are you going to need extra at for the 1/2 hour before school to get everyone through. What are we going to do if the 1 officer in a school is taking a shit when the shooter shows up? What if a group of 4 or 5 terrorists attack a school together and overwhelm the officer(s) there? Where do we stop? There is no good answer or simple solution. A ban on assault weapons won't prevent it. A cop in every school won't prevent it. I'd rather see a focus on the mental health issues because I think that would do more good.

I too would like to see a focus on mental health issues.

[death dealer]

My kids attend a small private school. The headmaster and several of the teachers have their CWP and carry. If I ever break down and get my CWP, it's my five year olds kindergarten teacher who will be my instructor. She's been after me for years to do it. Townes is my third child to be in her class.

I don't worry at all about someone trying something like this at my kid's school. They wouldn't last ten seconds before getting one square in the brain case.

Is that a solution for most public schools. Hell no. For the exact same reason my kids attend a private school. The inmates are running the prison over there.

[BDKJMU]

No, utilize what is already in place. Police officers.

What's your solution?

I don't know what the solution is. Can officers in schools be part of it? Yes. Would one officer in this school prevented this. Maybe. But the odds are going to be against one officer stopping someone hell bent on doing something like this.

There are around 100,000 public schools in this country. Are we going to add 100,000 officers? You've got vacations, sick leaves, etc. so you are probably going to need twice that many. Are we going to use one entrance at each school and have a security checkpoint there? How many officers will that take? 3 or 4 per school? Are you going to need extra at for the 1/2 hour before school to get everyone through. What are we going to do if the 1 officer in a school is taking a **** when the shooter shows up? What if a group of 4 or 5 terrorists attack a school together and overwhelm the officer(s) there? Where do we stop? There is no good answer or simple solution. A ban on assault weapons won't prevent it. A cop in every school won't prevent it. I'd rather see a focus on the mental health issues because I think that would do more good.

Huh? 180 days of the school year. If you have 50 classrooms in a school you don't have to hire 100 teachers because each of them is going to work 1/2 of the 180 school days.

If an 8 hr work day 260 work days during the year, work say 240. If there were 100,000 schools, would need about 90k cops, because many HS and some middle schools already have school resource officers.

A less expensive option for the elementary and middle schools would be armed security, which wouldn't cost as much as police.

Other than that, I agree, there needs to be more focus on mental health issues.

[BDKJMU]

"Guns Out of Stock at Wal-Mart as Magazine Prices Surge on

With President Barack Obama endorsing sweeping gun restrictions in the wake of the school shootings in Newtown, Connecticut, prices for handgun magazines are surging on EBay and semi-automatic rifles are sold out at many Wal-Mart Stores Inc. locations.....

......Searches of five kinds of semi-automatic rifles on Wal- Mart’s website showed them to be out of stock at stores in five states, including Pennsylvania, Kansas and Alabama. Wal-Mart doesn’t sell guns online, instead asking customers to input a zip code to see if their local store carries a specific weapon.....

Prices Tripling

On EBay Inc.'s auction website, shoppers have recently bid up gun magazines. The current bid for four Glock handgun magazines, ammunition for one of the guns used at Newtown, is $118.37 compared with $45 on the day before the shooting. The bid for seven Glock magazines hit $201 on Dec. 17 from $71.01 before the massacre.

Gun buyers have flooded other firearms retailers too. The Hyatt Gun Shop in Charlotte, North Carolina, racked up more than $1 million in sales yesterday for the best single-day performance since the store opened in 1959, according to Justin Anderson, director of online sales. At the top of shoppers’ lists was the Bushmaster AR-15, the model of rifle used at Newtown that sells for as much as $4,000 and had almost sold out, he said.

Revenue at one of the largest U.S. gun stores surpassed even the spike just after Obama was elected president in 2008, Anderson said in a telephone interview. Sales weren’t as robust when Obama was re-elected last month because the president hadn’t backed major new gun laws, he said....."

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[AZGrizFan]

There needs to be immediate steps taken to make sure we minimize the chances of this happening again at my kids school, your kids school, or any other public place in America.

Well said.

Well said, but the question remains: WHAT steps....and that's where the parties disagree. If anyone thinks that banning assault weapons will prevent people from acquiring assault weapons if they want to, they're delusional. As exhibit A, I give you the "drug war" and the easily accessible ILLEGAL drugs.

[BDKJMU]

"School Shooting Sparks Run on Firearms Sales
Terrified of a crackdown on guns, people across the country are stocking up, and gun sellers say they can barely keep up with demand, writes Matthew DeLuca

......Yet lines have grown at gun-store checkout counters, with owners saying they sometimes couldn’t process background checks fast enough to keep up. Employees at several stores said they were simply too busy dealing with customers to answer questions. The AR-15 semiautomatic rifle, the model of weapon police say Adam Lanza used to carry out his rampage, has been among the most sought-after items, several gun sellers told The Daily Beast.

“It’s absolutely ridiculous how many people are buying guns,” said Tim McFarland, an employee at K-5 Arms Exchange, less than 25 miles from Newtown. Customers have been packing the store since the weekend, he said. “It’s just astronomical. We sold out of assault rifles yesterday.”

Buyers began pouring in to Smokin’ Barrels Gun Shop in Naples, Fla., starting at 9 a.m., said employee Dustin Vickers, and they didn’t slow down. “A lot of them fear they’re going to be outlawing guns or certain kinds of guns,” Vickers said. Some of the buyers are return customers, he said, but there have also been plenty of new faces.

“We are seeing some panicked buying,” said Robin Ball, the owner of Sharp Shooting Indoor Range and Gun Shop. The Spokane, Wash., store specializes in handguns, shotguns, and defensive rifles. Ball said her store sold 47 firearms on Tuesday.

“It was our top-selling day ever,” Ball said. There’s no one kind of person buying up guns, she said. “It’s your doctors, your lawyers, your school teachers, your college professors, your guys in the military, your truck drivers—it’s across the board,” Ball said.

“There is a point at which we cannot sustain this because I will run out of product, and there is no product out there,” Ball said. Her shop had about 1,500 firearms in stock as of her last count. Forty minutes after opening on Wednesday, Ball said, sales were off to another “roaring start.”.....

.......The sudden rush to gun racks seems national in scope. A record 4,154 background checks were processed on Saturday in Colorado, according to the state’s Bureau of Investigation. ........

....Rance Spurlock of Spurlock’s Gun Shop in Henderson, Nev., described the rush on gun stores as “kind of a knee jerk reaction” after the killings in Newtown. Some 15 to 18 firearms would usually be purchased at his store on a given Saturday. This past Saturday, he sold close to 50. His store has been in business for 30 years, he said, and Saturday was one of the busiest days he’s ever seen. Spurlock said his shop caters mostly to sportsmen and people looking to buy a gun for personal defense—but he’s still been getting plenty of calls about AR-15s........

......Erik Lowry of Pittsburgh Tactical Firearms said his inventory has been almost cleaned out entirely over the last three days. His store, which sells mostly to current and former police and military personnel, opened on Monday with 200 firearms. By midday Tuesday, his stock was down to just two guns.

“I am completely sold out,” Lowry said. “I’ve got maybe half a case of ammunition left, I have backorders for almost 250 rifles, my website has been bought out, I can’t fill orders.”

Many of the buyers who came into his store wanted to stock up out of fear that a ban may be enacted on assault weapons or certain kinds of ammunition. “I have police officers coming in and buying thousands and thousands of rounds of AR-15 ammunition,” Lowry said. “I have local militia members buying up ammo and any gun they can get their hands on.”

Sales have doubled over the past week at Blue Ridge Arsenal in Chantilly, Va., according to store manager Donnel Dover. His store had about 20 AR-style rifles in stock on Tuesday morning. By opening time on Wednesday, they were all gone.

At this rate, the supply of guns available may dry up well before the demand. “We’re calling our distributors and seeing what they have in stock,” Dover said. “You’re pretty much getting items that aren’t totally sought after,” Dover said, as more popular models of the semi-automatic rifle have been sold out......."
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[DSUrocks07]

*puts on tinfoil hat*

Boy this sure is stimulating the economy across the nation...

[SDHornet]

*puts on tinfoil hat*

Boy this sure is stimulating the economy across the nation...

Thanks Spandos.

[YoUDeeMan]

Jon, you must have gotten married to the wrong person because you have turned into an angry, stupid, bitter old jackass.

You need to get laid...but use protection...we don't want you reproducing.

Uh...he's gay. Like....really gay. Like.. Liberace and Rosie O'Donnell gay.

He can be converted...I read that somewhere.

[Grizo406]

My kids attend a small private school. The headmaster and several of the teachers have their CWP and carry. If I ever break down and get my CWP, it's my five year olds kindergarten teacher who will be my instructor. She's been after me for years to do it. Townes is my third child to be in her class.

I don't worry at all about someone trying something like this at my kid's school. They wouldn't last ten seconds before getting one square in the brain case.

Is that a solution for most public schools. Hell no. For the exact same reason my kids attend a private school. The inmates are running the prison over there.

If you named your third child Townes, FWIW, you are now the Grizo's favorite poster, EVER! Good job, my new BFF!:thumb:

Not to get off topic here, but I've seen a ton of pics that showed cats lookin' miserable, and not havin' a good time. But, the one in DSU's sig pic has got to be the picture that best describes a cat not having a "good time"...

[death dealer]

My kids attend a small private school. The headmaster and several of the teachers have their CWP and carry. If I ever break down and get my CWP, it's my five year olds kindergarten teacher who will be my instructor. She's been after me for years to do it. Townes is my third child to be in her class.

I don't worry at all about someone trying something like this at my kid's school. They wouldn't last ten seconds before getting one square in the brain case.

Is that a solution for most public schools. Hell no. For the exact same reason my kids attend a private school. The inmates are running the prison over there.

If you named your third child Townes, FWIW, you are now the Grizo's favorite poster, EVER! Good job, my new BFF!:thumb:

Not to get off topic here, but I've seen a ton of pics that showed cats lookin' miserable, and not havin' a good time. But, the one in DSU's sig pic has got to be the picture that best describes a cat not having a "good time"...

Yes, he is named Townes, after the late Mr. Van Zandt.

The cat with the sword looks pretty happy.

[BDKJMU]

World's largest firearms supplier sells more than three years worth of magazines in just three days....
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[kalm]

I'm suprised the NRA only has 4 million members. You see their stickers everywhere. Given the NRA's track record, you'd think g groups like the Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation or DU would be better voices for gun ownership at this time.

Not appropriate because the Second Amendment is not about hunting.

And the NRA was apolitical and supported certain gun control for awhile too.