God "Could Have" Protected Kids, Chose Not To....SMFH

[Ibanez]

Great insight.

Forgot to include the

You are forgiven. Say 2 Hail Mary's and a side order of fries.

[Ibanez]

Everyone on this board knows you're a dolt.

I love the internet -- where bottom-of-the-class dopes like you can pretend they're smart.

Yet, the Dolt's have spoken, the Catholic Church is in terminal decline. In my town (and the one adjacent) we've closed two Catholic Churches in the last 5 years and the Catholic school now shares space with the Montessori school.

Maybe in your area but I believe the trend is going the opposite.

Interesting note; last night I was speaking with my aunt who is a nun. We talked about religion and I mentioned I'm more Diest if anything. Her reply; truly, we should accept more Diest philosophy than hard line, man made religious philosophy.

[D1B]

Why do you continue to raise points I refuted convincingly years ago?

Slightly more than 2 out out 3 persons raised Catholic continue as adults idenitfying as Catholics -- the 5th highest retention rate of members in the United States among major religious groups (and the first among groups not also "cultural").

"Net losses" is simply another way of saying that Catholics are numerous in the US. There is no single religious affiliation which is larger.

Seminaries throughout the world are at capacity.

Catholics now number nearly 77 million in the US and over 1.2 billion worldwide.

Here are the things you didn't refute or failed to address:

*Any positive catholic numbers in the US is solely due to Hispanic immigration.
*The loss of church moral standing and integrity due to the countless scandals
*Decline of the church in Europe. Europe now, United States ongoing and soon, rest of the world eventually
*Massive priest shortage in the US and Europe - we'll see how many of those seminarians actually become priests. We'll also see how many of em are successful as priests. Any young man who voluntarily chooses the life of a catholic priest is seriously flawed in some way or homosexual. This is not a knock on homosexuals, but the church offers a great environment and life for homosexual men.
*Dramatic enrollment decline in Catholic indoctrination camps (Schools) - 50+% since the 60's.
*The Pew Forum numbers
*The massive loss of catholic nuns and other religious orders
*Massive decline in ordinations
*Decline in church attendance
*Decline in catholic infant baptisms (*at a faster rate than the decline in overall births)
*Rapid deterioration of respect for the church among those catholics still in the church
*The issue of CINO - Catholic in Name Only - People who don't go to church or follow the teaching - there are tens of millions of CINO's who don't give a fuck about the church and pad the numbers
*Bankrupt Archdioceses - with no signs of ending - getting close to ten
*Fewer catholic marrying in the church
*World wide numbers reflect expansion in high or exploding population centers like Asia and Africa - They will follow the US and Europe and eschew the church eventually. The sickness will run its course.
*Shortage of catholic military chaplins (What are chaplins doing in the military? They should anti military.)

Pretty grim, especially when you factor in the amount of money spent by the catholic church to recruit the third world and keep people catholic. Billions each year in the form of public relations campaigns and marketing, schools and indoctrination camps, seminaries, The Vatican/fireworks and pomp, churches...all this and still decline? Amazing.

[Ibanez]

Oh btw, my aunt whose a nun worked with the Senate subcommittee to draft the Healthcare act. Her convent is very liberal and is on Baltimore.

[D1B]

Yet, the Dolt's have spoken, the Catholic Church is in terminal decline. In my town (and the one adjacent) we've closed two Catholic Churches in the last 5 years and the Catholic school now shares space with the Montessori school.

Maybe in your area but I believe the trend is going the opposite.

Interesting note; last night I was speaking with my aunt who is a nun. We talked about religion and I mentioned I'm more Diest if anything. Her reply; truly, we should accept more Diest philosophy than hard line, man made religious philosophy.

Really? There were 5 million catholic students and 13,000 schools in the 1965. There's half that now.

In terms of enrollment and number of schools, Catholic education hit its high point in the 1960s, according to estimates by the National Center for Education Statistics. At the start of that decade, there were close to 13,000 schools across the nation with about 5.3 million students. Both numbers declined steadily over the years — with a period of stabilization in the 1990s — to nearly 7,000 schools and about 2 million students for the 2010-11 year.

During that same 50-year period, Chicago Catholic school enrollment dropped from 344,000 to about 86,500. Public school enrollment also dropped starting in the early 1970s, but unlike Catholic schools, it started to rebound in the late 1980s. With the closing of St. Scholastica — announced in March — there will be 255 Catholic schools in the Chicago Archdiocese. There were 526 in 1960.

Chicago Tribune

Massive closings across the US and a small percentage are replaced in the suburbs..

This is all you need to know...
1/3 of people who identified themselves as catholic attend church. - Pew Research Forum

[D1B]

Oh btw, my aunt whose a nun worked with the Senate subcommittee to draft the Healthcare act. Her convent is very liberal and is on Baltimore.

Bet she hates the Vatican. Also, her convent is probably dead or on its way out.

[JoltinJoe]

Why do you continue to raise points I refuted convincingly years ago?

Slightly more than 2 out out 3 persons raised Catholic continue as adults idenitfying as Catholics -- the 5th highest retention rate of members in the United States among major religious groups (and the first among groups not also "cultural").

"Net losses" is simply another way of saying that Catholics are numerous in the US. There is no single religious affiliation which is larger.

Seminaries throughout the world are at capacity.

Catholics now number nearly 77 million in the US and over 1.2 billion worldwide.

Here are the things you didn't refute or failed to address:

*Any positive catholic numbers in the US is solely due to Hispanic immigration.
*The loss of church moral standing and integrity due to the countless scandals
*Decline of the church in Europe. Europe now, United States ongoing and soon, rest of the world eventually
*Massive priest shortage in the US and Europe - we'll see how many of those seminarians actually become priests. We'll also see how many of em are successful as priests. Any young man who voluntarily chooses the life of a catholic priest is seriously flawed in some way or homosexual. This is not a knock on homosexuals, but the church offers a great environment and life for homosexual men.
*Dramatic enrollment decline in Catholic indoctrination camps (Schools) - 50+% since the 60's.
*The Pew Forum numbers
*The massive loss of catholic nuns and other religious orders
*Massive decline in ordinations
*Decline in church attendance
*Decline in catholic infant baptisms (*at a faster rate than the decline in overall births)
*Rapid deterioration of respect for the church among those catholics still in the church
*The issue of CINO - Catholic in Name Only - People who don't go to church or follow the teaching - there are tens of millions of CINO's who don't give a **** about the church and pad the numbers
*Bankrupt Archdioceses - with no signs of ending - getting close to ten
*Fewer catholic marrying in the church
*World wide numbers reflect expansion in high or exploding population centers like Asia and Africa - They will follow the US and Europe and eschew the church eventually. The sickness will run its course.
*Shortage of catholic military chaplins (What are chaplins doing in the military? They should anti military.)

Pretty grim, especially when you factor in the amount of money spent by the catholic church to recruit the third world and keep people catholic. Billions each year in the form of public relations campaigns and marketing, schools and indoctrination camps, seminaries, The Vatican/fireworks and pomp, churches...all this and still decline? Amazing.

The Catholic Church will still be going strong long after you're gone.

[D1B]

Here are the things you didn't refute or failed to address:

*Any positive catholic numbers in the US is solely due to Hispanic immigration.
*The loss of church moral standing and integrity due to the countless scandals
*Decline of the church in Europe. Europe now, United States ongoing and soon, rest of the world eventually
*Massive priest shortage in the US and Europe - we'll see how many of those seminarians actually become priests. We'll also see how many of em are successful as priests. Any young man who voluntarily chooses the life of a catholic priest is seriously flawed in some way or homosexual. This is not a knock on homosexuals, but the church offers a great environment and life for homosexual men.
*Dramatic enrollment decline in Catholic indoctrination camps (Schools) - 50+% since the 60's.
*The Pew Forum numbers
*The massive loss of catholic nuns and other religious orders
*Massive decline in ordinations
*Decline in church attendance
*Decline in catholic infant baptisms (*at a faster rate than the decline in overall births)
*Rapid deterioration of respect for the church among those catholics still in the church
*The issue of CINO - Catholic in Name Only - People who don't go to church or follow the teaching - there are tens of millions of CINO's who don't give a **** about the church and pad the numbers
*Bankrupt Archdioceses - with no signs of ending - getting close to ten
*Fewer catholic marrying in the church
*World wide numbers reflect expansion in high or exploding population centers like Asia and Africa - They will follow the US and Europe and eschew the church eventually. The sickness will run its course.
*Shortage of catholic military chaplins (What are chaplins doing in the military? They should anti military.)

Pretty grim, especially when you factor in the amount of money spent by the catholic church to recruit the third world and keep people catholic. Billions each year in the form of public relations campaigns and marketing, schools and indoctrination camps, seminaries, The Vatican/fireworks and pomp, churches...all this and still decline? Amazing.

The Catholic Church will still be going strong long after you're gone.

Of course it will, but it will be much different, maybe better, as reality and secular humanist pressures continue to influence and shape the church.

If we survive our destruction of our natural ecosystem, the catholic church, and Christianity in general, will be absorbed by secular humanism.

[JoltinJoe]

Secular humanism: last seen in Newtown, CT.

Another troubled boy figures out if there are no moral absolutes, no objective truth, then there is also no absolute or objective reason to be bound by "humanism."

[89Hen]

Really? There were 5 million catholic students and 13,000 schools in the 1965. There's half that now.

In terms of enrollment and number of schools, Catholic education hit its high point in the 1960s, according to estimates by the National Center for Education Statistics. At the start of that decade, there were close to 13,000 schools across the nation with about 5.3 million students. Both numbers declined steadily over the years — with a period of stabilization in the 1990s — to nearly 7,000 schools and about 2 million students for the 2010-11 year.

During that same 50-year period, Chicago Catholic school enrollment dropped from 344,000 to about 86,500. Public school enrollment also dropped starting in the early 1970s, but unlike Catholic schools, it started to rebound in the late 1980s. With the closing of St. Scholastica — announced in March — there will be 255 Catholic schools in the Chicago Archdiocese. There were 526 in 1960.

Catholic school attendance shrank after white flight and the baby boomers went through school. Shocking. This is weak even by your standards DB.

BTW...

http://www.suntimes.com/news/education/ ... years.html

Enrollment in Chicago’s Catholic elementary schools is up for the second straight year — the first time that’s happened since 1965, officials said Friday.

[D1B]

Really? There were 5 million catholic students and 13,000 schools in the 1965. There's half that now.

Catholic school attendance shrank after white flight and the baby boomers went through school. Shocking. This is weak even by your standards DB.

BTW...

http://www.suntimes.com/news/education/ ... years.html

Enrollment in Chicago’s Catholic elementary schools is up for the second straight year — the first time that’s happened since 1965, officials said Friday.

Who gives a shit? The numbers have plummeted, beyond the effect of Boomers and white flight. And where the fuck are their kids going to school?

Fuck Baby Boomers, one of the primary factors is people can't afford or don't want to pay the tuition. This aside from the majority of american catholics not practicing.

[89Hen]

Who gives a shit? The numbers have plummeted, beyond the effect of Boomers and white flight.

You sure about that?

http://ccsr.uchicago.edu/sites/default/ ... ns/p53.pdf

The State of Chicago Public High Schools: 1993-2000

DECLINING HIGH SCHOOL ENROLLMENT:
An Exploration of Causes

[D1B]

Secular humanism: last seen in Newtown, CT.

Another troubled boy figures out if there are no moral absolutes, no objective truth, then there is also no absolute or objective reason to be bound by "humanism."

Nah, more like, "timid boy, raped by the local catholic priest for years, reads the bible and finds that murder, actually mass murder, is morally OK because god said so and does it too. He then...."

[YoUDeeMan]

Secular humanism: last seen in Newtown, CT.

Another troubled boy figures out if there are no moral absolutes, no objective truth, then there is also no absolute or objective reason to be bound by "humanism."

If we can imagine morality, as defined and designed by a God, then why can't we imagine a morality designed and defined by Man?

[D1B]

It's really great god respected the free will of the shooter rather than protect the innocent children who were slaughtered. He has a habit of doing shit like that.

[Gil Dobie]

It's really great god respected the free will of the shooter rather than protect the innocent children who were slaughtered. He has a habit of doing **** like that.

It's really great that D1B respected the free will of the shooter rather than protect the innocent children who were slaughtered. He has a habit of doing stuff like that and then blaming it on God's.

[CAA Flagship]

It's really great god respected the free will of the shooter rather than protect the innocent children who were slaughtered. He has a habit of doing shit like that.

Maybe God called the innocent children to his Kingdom, which is far greater than Earth, sent the shooter to hell, and left the rest of us here to figure out what it is we are supposed to be doing and how we should be doing it.

[Ibanez]

It's really great god respected the free will of the shooter rather than protect the innocent children who were slaughtered. He has a habit of doing shit like that.

Maybe God called the innocent children to his Kingdom, which is far greater than Earth, sent the shooter to hell, and left the rest of us here to figure out what it is we are supposed to be doing and how we should be doing it.

That's a shitty way to make a point.

[YoUDeeMan]

Maybe God called the innocent children to his Kingdom, which is far greater than Earth...

The place right next to Kolob, right?

[CAA Flagship]

Maybe God called the innocent children to his Kingdom, which is far greater than Earth, sent the shooter to hell, and left the rest of us here to figure out what it is we are supposed to be doing and how we should be doing it.

That's a shitty way to make a point.

Meh. He's God. He is giving us warning signs. Heed them or pay the price eternally. He is God and He sets the rules.
God's creation is too complex to have us all die of old age the day we turn 100 years old. To simple to ask for forgiveness on day 36,499.

[Cap'n Cat]

That's okay though because you don't buy into that. Sent any good thoughts to the families that were affected D1B? Didn't think so.

Have the guts to say "prayers". No, not from me. Have I thought about em? Of course I have and I will continue to contact my legislators, like I did the last this happened - last week, and encourage them to find meaningful solutions to people's obsession with guns.

Prayers don't mean shit and they're often just a fake guilt relief exercise for those who: contribute to the problem - conservative christians/gun fetishists and their NRA or are powerless or too stupid to foster real solutions.

Uh huh.

[Cap'n Cat]

Maybe God called the innocent children to his Kingdom, which is far greater than Earth...

The place right next to Kolob, right?

[CAA Flagship]

Maybe God called the innocent children to his Kingdom, which is far greater than Earth...

The place right next to Kolob, right?

I admit, I had to look that up.
Those Mormons. They are sooooooo white.

[Ibanez]

That's a shitty way to make a point.

Meh. He's God. He is giving us warning signs. Heed them or pay the price eternally. He is God and He sets the rules.
God's creation is too complex to have us all die of old age the day we turn 100 years old. To simple to ask for forgiveness on day 36,499.

I don't like being fucked with.

[CAA Flagship]

Meh. He's God. He is giving us warning signs. Heed them or pay the price eternally. He is God and He sets the rules.
God's creation is too complex to have us all die of old age the day we turn 100 years old. To simple to ask for forgiveness on day 36,499.

I don't like being fucked with.

Stop picking up the soap.