Can the GOP save itself?

[Ibanez]

There has been a lot of discussion about the GOP imploding and what they need to do to survive. What can they do to recover lost members, improve the message and recover lost seats. What do you fella's think?

This article is a good review of the Bush's and the GOP.
http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/11/opinion/s ... ?hpt=po_c1" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Rubio
http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/11/opinion/n ... ?hpt=op_t1" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[ASUG8]

Editor's note: Jeff Smith, who represented Missouri's 4th Senate District from 2006-09, is a professor in the urban policy graduate program at the New School in New York. He spent 2010 in federal prison for lying about a campaign finance violation.

You lost me here.....

[Ibanez]

Editor's note: Jeff Smith, who represented Missouri's 4th Senate District from 2006-09, is a professor in the urban policy graduate program at the New School in New York. He spent 2010 in federal prison for lying about a campaign finance violation.

You lost me here.....

The message, not the messanger.

[mrklean]

The GOP Needs a Major face lift. Many people want to join the GOP but it does not look like America.

[YoUDeeMan]

The GOP Needs a Major face lift. Many people want to join the GOP but it does not look like America.

Yes, because you have to LOOK like someone to listen to and believe in their policies.

klean, you are a skin-color-to-win racist.

You are the equivalent of a dumb alcoholic in denial.

[mrklean]

The GOP Needs a Major face lift. Many people want to join the GOP but it does not look like America.

Yes, because you have to LOOK like someone to listen to and believe in their policies.

klean, you are a skin-color-to-win racist.

You are the equivalent of a dumb alcoholic in denial.

Just a sad azz internet bully...sad little man

[Chizzang]

The GOP Needs a Major face lift. Many people want to join the GOP but it does not look like America.

Yes, because you have to LOOK like someone to listen to and believe in their policies.

klean, you are a skin-color-to-win racist.

You are the equivalent of a dumb alcoholic in denial.

That's a little harsh...
I think he's kinda making a valuable point
POINT:
The fat Rush Limbaugh cigar and a $3000 suit thing isn't really a good idea anymore
The Ultra Rich aren't viewed as Makers anymore
They're seen as Takers who hide their money in the Islands and steal from 401 packages
They're seen as high profit loophole takers who pay too little into the system and syphon off the cream

They're not seen as hard working railroad or Steel men who worked an honest day
They're seen as born into billions who write their own ticket by stealing from the middle class

True or False (regardless) The Republicans have a problem with that perspective
And Romney and Bush haven't done anything to persuade people that's false

So Yeah: They don't look like America
isn't just a color statement it's the entire perspective
They look like guys who have had it far too easy to be telling everybody else it's time to tighten your belt

[DSUrocks07]

Yes, because you have to LOOK like someone to listen to and believe in their policies.

klean, you are a skin-color-to-win racist.

You are the equivalent of a dumb alcoholic in denial.

That's a little harsh...
I think he's kinda making a valuable point
POINT:
The fat Rush Limbaugh cigar and a $3000 suit thing isn't really a good idea anymore
The Ultra Rich aren't viewed as Makers anymore
They're seen as Takers who hide their money in the Islands and steal from 401 packages
They're seen as high profit loophole takers who pay too little into the system and syphon off the cream

They're not seen as hard working railroad or Steel men who worked an honest day
They're seen as born into billions who write their own ticket by stealing from the middle class

True or False (regardless) The Republicans have a problem with that perspective
And Romney and Bush haven't done anything to persuade people that's false

So Yeah: They don't look like America
isn't just a color statement it's the entire perspective
They look like guys who have had it far too easy to be telling everybody else it's time to tighten your belt

The GOP has an image problem, they are viewed as "the party of the 1%". I can understand that the point of political parties is to provide different viewpoints on domestic and foreign political issues, but it seem that on EVERY Dem talking point the GOP takes the exact polar opposite position...to its own detriment IMO...

[mrklean]

Yes, because you have to LOOK like someone to listen to and believe in their policies.

klean, you are a skin-color-to-win racist.

You are the equivalent of a dumb alcoholic in denial.

That's a little harsh...
I think he's kinda making a valuable point
POINT:
The fat Rush Limbaugh cigar and a $3000 suit thing isn't really a good idea anymore
The Ultra Rich aren't viewed as Makers anymore
They're seen as Takers who hide their money in the Islands and steal from 401 packages
They're seen as high profit loophole takers who pay too little into the system and syphon off the cream

They're not seen as hard working railroad or Steel men who worked an honest day
They're seen as born into billions who write their own ticket by stealing from the middle class

True or False (regardless) The Republicans have a problem with that perspective
And Romney and Bush haven't done anything to persuade people that's false

So Yeah: They don't look like America
isn't just a color statement it's the entire perspective
They look like guys who have had it far too easy to be telling everybody else it's time to tighten your belt

When has Bush or Romney ever had to face money problems like the 47% does every day? Do I pay my Gas bill or get my son's meds?

[Wedgebuster]

They are busily saving themselves as we speak. They will be saved and known as the party of rich, white guys looking out for themselves at all times, religious interests still wanting their superstitions instituted into our Constitution, and tea party members who want to just obstruct anything and everything that is not their idea, or in their own self interests (i.e. the party of rich, white guys).

I'm sure the future is rosy for them all.

[ASUG8]

That's a little harsh...
I think he's kinda making a valuable point
POINT:
The fat Rush Limbaugh cigar and a $3000 suit thing isn't really a good idea anymore
The Ultra Rich aren't viewed as Makers anymore
They're seen as Takers who hide their money in the Islands and steal from 401 packages
They're seen as high profit loophole takers who pay too little into the system and syphon off the cream

They're not seen as hard working railroad or Steel men who worked an honest day
They're seen as born into billions who write their own ticket by stealing from the middle class

True or False (regardless) The Republicans have a problem with that perspective
And Romney and Bush haven't done anything to persuade people that's false

So Yeah: They don't look like America
isn't just a color statement it's the entire perspective
They look like guys who have had it far too easy to be telling everybody else it's time to tighten your belt

When has Bush or Romney ever had to face money problems like the 47% does every day? Do I pay my Gas bill or get my son's meds?

I see your point, but you could insert the names of any Dem in there as well. They're all disconnected from the rest of us, and in fact have much more in common with the 1% except with better healthcare and retirement benefits.

[AZGrizFan]

The GOP has an image problem, they are viewed as "the party of the 1%". I can understand that the point of political parties is to provide different viewpoints on domestic and foreign political issues, but it seem that on EVERY Dem talking point the GOP takes the exact polar opposite position...to its own detriment IMO...

To me, it's not the "1%" issue that's killing them. It's their insistence on locking up with the religious right and taking on every social issue on what seems to be the WRONG side.

The majority of Americans are fine with gay marriage.
The majority of Americans are fine with a woman's right to choose.
The majority of Americans understand abstinence isn't the ONLY answer, and that some other forms of birth control might be necessary.
The majority of Americans want a workable immigration policy that doesn't include kicking out 12,000,000 people who've been here for years.
The majority of Americans understand the war on drugs has failed and a new policy is needed.

Until the GOP gets out of the dark ages (and out of our bedrooms) and accepts the court of public opinion on some of these social issues then I would say "No, they can't save themselves."

[Chizzang]

The GOP has an image problem, they are viewed as "the party of the 1%". I can understand that the point of political parties is to provide different viewpoints on domestic and foreign political issues, but it seem that on EVERY Dem talking point the GOP takes the exact polar opposite position...to its own detriment IMO...

To me, it's not the "1%" issue that's killing them. It's their insistence on locking up with the religious right and taking on every social issue on what seems to be the WRONG side.

The majority of Americans are fine with gay marriage.
The majority of Americans are fine with a woman's right to choose.
The majority of Americans understand abstinence isn't the ONLY answer, and that some other forms of birth control might be necessary.
The majority of Americans want a workable immigration policy that doesn't include kicking out 12,000,000 people who've been here for years.
The majority of Americans understand the war on drugs has failed and a new policy is needed.

Until the GOP gets out of the dark ages (and out of our bedrooms) and accepts the court of public opinion on some of these social issues then I would say "No, they can't save themselves."

Agree 100%
If the Republican party delivered on those points (sure)

and above: Wedgie nailed it
"They are busily saving themselves as we speak" without even pretending like they're not
They are OVERTLY saving themselves in the face of asking others to cut back

And yes
Insert any rich Democrat in here too...

[Ibanez]

The GOP has an image problem, they are viewed as "the party of the 1%". I can understand that the point of political parties is to provide different viewpoints on domestic and foreign political issues, but it seem that on EVERY Dem talking point the GOP takes the exact polar opposite position...to its own detriment IMO...

To me, it's not the "1%" issue that's killing them. It's their insistence on locking up with the religious right and taking on every social issue on what seems to be the WRONG side.

The majority of Americans are fine with gay marriage.
The majority of Americans are fine with a woman's right to choose.
The majority of Americans understand abstinence isn't the ONLY answer, and that some other forms of birth control might be necessary.
The majority of Americans want a workable immigration policy that doesn't include kicking out 12,000,000 people who've been here for years.
The majority of Americans understand the war on drugs has failed and a new policy is needed.

Until the GOP gets out of the dark ages (and out of our bedrooms) and accepts the court of public opinion on some of these social issues then I would say "No, they can't save themselves."

These are the same people that would have been Democrats in the 1860's.

However, if they could embrace the changing ideas of what is right (which isn't moral) then they would be with a majority of Americans.

I've been reading a lot about the Scottish Enlightenment and about men like Lord Kames who gives us a good guide into morality, the history of man (the 4 stages of civilization) and law. He's a very enlightened guy. His views are very progressive for 18th Century Scotland but still apply today. His views on politics are worth a good look at it.

[AZGrizFan]

When has Bush or Romney ever had to face money problems like the 47% does every day? Do I pay my Gas bill or get my son's meds?

Jesus H. Christ you're an idiot if you truly think that is a Donk/Conk issue.

[AZGrizFan]

To me, it's not the "1%" issue that's killing them. It's their insistence on locking up with the religious right and taking on every social issue on what seems to be the WRONG side.

The majority of Americans are fine with gay marriage.
The majority of Americans are fine with a woman's right to choose.
The majority of Americans understand abstinence isn't the ONLY answer, and that some other forms of birth control might be necessary.
The majority of Americans want a workable immigration policy that doesn't include kicking out 12,000,000 people who've been here for years.
The majority of Americans understand the war on drugs has failed and a new policy is needed.

Until the GOP gets out of the dark ages (and out of our bedrooms) and accepts the court of public opinion on some of these social issues then I would say "No, they can't save themselves."

Agree 100%
If the Republican party delivered on those points (sure)

and above: Wedgie nailed it
"They are busily saving themselves as we speak" without even pretending like they're not
They are OVERTLY saving themselves in the face of asking others to cut back

And yes
Insert any rich Democrat in here too...

Perhaps even more interesting is that while "the majority of Americans" may agree with all those things, they won't vote for somebody who actually CAMPAIGNS on all those things....i.e., a Gary Johnson.

[Ibanez]

Agree 100%
If the Republican party delivered on those points (sure)

and above: Wedgie nailed it
"They are busily saving themselves as we speak" without even pretending like they're not
They are OVERTLY saving themselves in the face of asking others to cut back

And yes
Insert any rich Democrat in here too...

Perhaps even more interesting is that while "the majority of Americans" may agree with all those things, they won't vote for somebody who actually CAMPAIGNS on all those things....i.e., a Gary Johnson.

It's incredible, isn't it.

[Seahawks08]

And since Obama has most of those views, yet another reason why he won.

[YoUDeeMan]

When has Bush or Romney ever had to face money problems like the 47% does every day? Do I pay my Gas bill or get my son's meds?

Jesus H. Christ you're an idiot...

FIFY. The rest was overkill.

[YoUDeeMan]

And since Obama has most of those views, yet another reason why he won.

He switched his side on gay marriage just before the election...after Joe showed him up. So yeah, if you consider that really one of Obama's "views"...

And this is hot off the press (an hour ago):

"Criticism over the United States' role in the war on drugs is increasingly making its way into mainstream discussion. As prominent officials such as former Presidents Bill Clinton and Jimmy Carter come out and publicly concede that the policies they followed to bolster a broad system based on drug enforcement and prohibition didn't work, drug policy reformers are clamoring to know why President Barack Obama is continuing to neglect the lessons of the past and present."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/1 ... 79702.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

So basically, you see what you want to see, despite reality.

[Seahawks08]

Reading comprehension? Look up the word "most" please.

And whether you like it or not, he does not oppose Gay Marriage anymore, so yes, it is his view and people voted for him b/c of it.

[kalm]

Perhaps even more interesting is that while "the majority of Americans" may agree with all those things, they won't vote for somebody who actually CAMPAIGNS on all those things....i.e., a Gary Johnson.

It's incredible, isn't it.

Unfortunately, I really don't think it is. We have a duopoly and pols from both sides as well as msm pundits attend the same cocktail parties, live inside the same bubble, and pretty much support the same status quo. The only way this gets fixed is campaign finance reform.

[Chizzang]

It's incredible, isn't it.

Unfortunately, I really don't think it is. We have a duopoly and pols from both sides as well as msm pundits attend the same cocktail parties, live inside the same bubble, and pretty much support the same status quo. The only way this gets fixed is campaign finance reform.

I got two words for you...


(Jill Stein)

[Ibanez]

It's incredible, isn't it.

Unfortunately, I really don't think it is. We have a duopoly and pols from both sides as well as msm pundits attend the same cocktail parties, live inside the same bubble, and pretty much support the same status quo. The only way this gets fixed is campaign finance reform.

I didn't mean it in a good way

[mrklean]

When has Bush or Romney ever had to face money problems like the 47% does every day? Do I pay my Gas bill or get my son's meds?

Jesus H. Christ you're an idiot if you truly think that is a Donk/Conk issue.

Obama:2
Repukes:0

So yeah cheese Dick, its a repuke problem. The current GOP is old, outdated and full of men who are stuck in the dream world of 1950's America.