How can any rational being can be proud to be a part of this abomination?1. Throughout the world, Catholic bishops have engaged in a systematic, organized effort going back decades to cover up for priests who molest children, pressuring the victims to sign confidentiality agreements and quietly assigning the predators to new parishes where they could go on molesting. Tens of thousands of children have been raped and tortured as a result of this conspiracy of silence.
2. Strike one: " What did the pope know and when did he know it? " The current pope, when he was Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, was personally implicated in a case from the 1970s in which at least three sets of parents reported that a priest in his diocese had sexually abused their children. In response, Ratzinger assigned the priest to therapy, without notifying law enforcement, and washed his hands of the matter. That priest was back on duty in just a few short days and went on to molest more children.
3. Strike two: In 1981, again when the current pope was Cardinal Ratzinger, he got a letter from the diocese of Oakland asking him to defrock a priest who had acknowledged molesting two children. Ratzinger ignored this letter, and several followup letters, for four years. Finally, in 1985, he wrote back saying that more time was needed, and that they had to proceed very slowly to safeguard " the good of the Universal Church " in light of "the young age of the petitioner" -- by which he meant not the victimized children, but the pedophile priest. (By contrast, when a rogue archbishop ordained married men as priests, he was laicized six days later. )
4. Strike three: In 2001, Cardinal Ratzinger wrote a letter, De Delictis Gravioribus , to all Catholic bishops advising them how to handle accusations of sex crimes by priests. There was no recommendation to contact the police, but rather an instruction for them to report such cases only to the Vatican and tell no one else: " Cases of this kind are subject to the pontifical secret. "
5. Some church officials, like the American friar Benedict Groeschel, have blamed the epidemic of child molestation on sexually wanton boys who tempt priests into assaulting them.
6. They threaten to cut off funding for immigrants' rights advocates because they sometimes work with gay-rights advocates . Preventing immigrants from getting legal and medical aid is less important than ensuring the church isn't contaminated by even indirect contact with anyone who helps gay people.
7. In a sign of how ridiculously disproportionate and unhinged the church's martyrdom complex is, the current pope has compared expanding the rights of women and gay people to the murderous anticlerical violence of the 1930s Spanish civil war .
8. They've used their official UN observer status to team up with Islamic theocracies like Iran and Libya to oppose calls for family-planning services to be made available in the world's poorest nations.
9. They've gone to desperately poor, AIDS-ravaged regions of Africa to spread the life-destroying lie that condoms don't prevent transmission of HIV .
10. In the mid-20th century, they appointed a special papal commission to study whether Catholicism should permit the use of birth control. When the commission almost unanimously recommended that they should, they ignored that recommendation and doubled down on their absolute ban on contraception .
11. They excommunicated the doctors who performed an abortion on a pregnant 9-year-old who'd been raped by her stepfather .
12. They did not excommunicate the stepfather.
13. Savita Halappanavar wasn't the first: Catholic-run hospitals are willing to let women die rather than get lifesaving abortions , even when a miscarriage is already in progress and no possible procedure could save the fetus.
14. They refused to provide contraception or abortion to women who were abducted and forced to work as prostitutes , and then filed a lawsuit complaining it was violating their religious freedom when the government took away their contract .
15. In Poland, they ordered politicians to vote for a law banning IVF and threatened to excommunicate any who didn't comply .
16. They were a major source of the pressure on the Komen Foundation that led to its disastrous decision to cut ties with Planned Parenthood .
17. They've announced an inquisition into the Girl Scouts to get to the bottom of its association with morally suspect groups like Doctors Without Borders and Oxfam.
18. They've been one of the major forces attacking Obamacare, filing lawsuits arguing that non-church Catholic employers should be able to decide whether or not employee health insurance plans will cover contraception . This is effectively an argument that a woman's employer should be allowed to force her to pay more for medical coverage, or even place it out of her reach altogether, based on his religious beliefs.
19. In Australia, they allegedly derailed a police investigation of an accused pedophile , putting pressure on higher-ups to get an investigating officer removed from the case.
20. They demanded that Sunday school teachers sign a loyalty oath agreeing to submit "will and intellect" to the proclamations of church leaders.
21. Some top church officials, including the current pope , have advocated denying communion to politicians who support progressive and pro-choice political ideas . Notably, although the church also opposes preemptive war and the death penalty, no conservative politician has ever been denied communion on this basis.
22. They've cracked down on American nuns for doing too much to help the poor and not enough to oppose gay marriage , condemning them for displaying a seditious "feminist spirit."
23. In Germany, where parishioners pay an officially assessed tax rate to the church, they've tried to blackmail people who don't want to pay the church tax , threatening to fire them from jobs in church institutions. In some cases, if the person opts out but later loses the paperwork, they demand on-the-spot repayment of decades of back taxes .
24. In America, bishops have compared Democratic officeholders, including President Obama, to Hitler and Stalin and have said that it jeopardizes a person's eternal salvation if they don't vote as the bishops instruct them to.
25. They fight against equal marriage rights for same-sex couples. It's not enough for the Catholic church hierarchy that they refuse to perform church weddings for gay and lesbian couples; they want to write that prohibition into the civil law and deny marriage equality to everyone who doesn't fit their religious criteria, and have invested vast amounts of money and effort into doing so. In the 2012 election cycle alone, the church spent almost $2 million in an unsuccessful fight to defeat marriage-equality initiatives in four states .
26. They've compared gay sex to pedophilia and incest and called for it to be forbidden by law , saying that "states can and must regulate behaviors, including various sexual behaviors."
27. They've shut down adoption clinics rather than consider gay people as prospective parents. The church's official position, apparently, is that it's better for children to remain orphans or in foster care than to be placed in a loving, committed same-sex household.
28. They barred an anti-LGBT bullying group, anti-teen-suicide foundation from a Catholic school ceremony , explaining that the group's mission is "contrary to the teachings of the Catholic church."
29. They told a teenager he wouldn't be allowed to go through confirmation because he posted a pro-gay-rights status message on Facebook , and they expelled a preschooler from a private Catholic school because his parents were lesbians .
30. They have a history of dumping known pedophile priests in isolated, poor, rural communities , where they apparently assumed that local people wouldn't dare to complain or that no one would listen if they did.
31. They've given huge payouts -- as much as $20,000 in some cases -- to pedophile priests , to buy their silence and quietly ease them out of the priesthood, after specifically denying in public that they were doing this.
32. When the Connecticut legislature proposed extending statute-of-limitations laws to allow older child-abuse cases to be tried, the bishops ordered a letter to be read during Mass instructing parishioners to contact their representatives and lobby against it .
33. To fight back against and intimidate abuse-survivor groups like SNAP, the church's lawyers have filed absurdly broad subpoenas demanding the disclosure of decades' worth of documents .
34. In the Netherlands, some boys were apparently castrated in church-run hospitals after complaining to the police about sexual abuse by priests .
35. When a Catholic official from Philadelphia, William Lynn, was charged with knowingly returning predator priests to duty, his defense was to blame those decisions on his superior, Cardinal Anthony Bevilacqua, thus acknowledging that the corruption reaches to the highest levels of the church.
36. When confronted with hundreds of complaints about child-raping priests spanning decades, a Dutch cardinal used the same "we knew nothing" excuse once given by Nazi soldiers . Several months later, it was reported that this same cardinal had personally arranged to move a pedophile priest to a different parish to shield him from accusations.
37. In one case, Mother Teresa successfully persuaded the church to return a suspected pedophile priest to duty because he was a friend of hers . Eight additional complaints of child abuse were later lodged against him.
38. In yet another case, they appointed a priest with a history of child molestation to a board that advises the church on what to do when they get reports of priests molesting children.
39. And after all this, they've had the audacity to plead for money and ask parishioners to pick up the tab for legal costs and settlements .
40. They abducted tens of thousands of babies from unwed mothers who gave birth in Catholic-run hospitals all over the world throughout the 20th century, forcing drugged or helpless women to give their newborn children up for adoption against their will.
41. They tried to have the Indian skeptic Sanal Edamuruku charged with blasphemy and imprisoned for debunking a claim of a miraculous weeping statue.
42. They publicly supported the Russian Orthodox church's decision to have the punk band Pussy Riot charged and imprisoned for blasphemy.
43. Their finances are a disorganized mess, lacking strong accounting controls and clear internal separations , which means parishioners who give to the church can have no assurance of what the money will be used for. According to an investigation by the Economist, funds meant for hospitals, cemeteries and priests' pensions have been raided to pay legal fees and settlements in several diocesan bankruptcies.
44. They've said in public that the sexist prohibition on women priests is an infallible part of Catholic dogma , and hence can never be changed.
45. They've silenced priests who call for the ordination of women and other desperately needed reforms , exhorting them to instead show "the radicalism of obedience."
46. They've excommunicated at least one priest for advocating the ordination of women .
47. They lifted the excommunication of an anti-Semitic, Holocaust-denying bishop who also thinks women shouldn't attend college or wear pants.
48. When it comes to the question of who's financially responsible for compensating the victims of sex abuse, they argue that priests aren't employees and therefore the church bears no responsibility for anything they do .
49. They canonized Mother Teresa for doing little more than offering a squalid place for people to die. Outside observers who visited her "Home for the Dying" reported that medical care was substandard and dangerous, limited to aspirin and unsterilized needles rinsed in tap water, administered by untrained volunteers. The millions of dollars collected by Mother Teresa and her order, enough to build many advanced clinics and hospitals, remain unaccounted for.
50. They announced that voluntary end-of-life measures, such as terminal patients' directives for when they wish to have a feeding tube removed, won't be respected at Catholic hospitals.
50 Reasons the Catholic Church is a Joke
50 Reasons the Catholic Church is a Joke
What a fucking scourge on humanity.

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Jesus, I just read that again. What a crime and mess that fucking racket is. 
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Is this a game to find which one of the 50 lies has a kernel of truth in it?D :ugeek: B wrote:Jesus, I just read that again. What a crime and mess that **** racket is.
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Joe, do you feel any shame at all that you're involved in and financially support such an organization?JoltinJoe wrote:Is this a game to find which one of the 50 lies has a kernel of truth in it?D :ugeek: B wrote:Jesus, I just read that again. What a crime and mess that **** racket is.
Do you feel any shame that you have forced your children into the same nonsense? No shame that you took it upon yourself to not give them a chance to grow up and make up their own minds about religion - when they're emotionally and intellectually ready to handle such a task?
Do you think you're a monster of sorts?

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After reading what you have posted, I will now make sure to only visit Atheist hospitals for my future medical needs.
Maybe even Atheist charities as well!! Weeee!
Maybe even Atheist charities as well!! Weeee!
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Go fuck yourself, you empty-headed moron.SeattleGriz wrote:After reading what you have posted, I will now make sure to only visit Atheist hospitals for my future medical needs.
Maybe even Atheist charities as well!! Weeee!
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You're going to run with that?SeattleGriz wrote:After reading what you have posted, I will now make sure to only visit Atheist hospitals for my future medical needs.
Really?
Straight outta the "How to Talk to an Atheist" playbook?
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D :ugeek: 1B wrote: Joe, do you feel any shame at all that you're involved in and financially support such an organization?
Do you feel any shame that you have forced your children into the same nonsense? No shame that you took it upon yourself to not give them a chance to grow up and make up their own minds about religion - when they're emotionally and intellectually ready to handle such a task?
Do you think you're a monster of sorts?
Do you feel any shame that you're a monstrous liar? Or do you just lift stupid things from websites without checking facts?
The tactics employed by anti-Catholic bigots is to take something with a morsel of truth, twist it, distort it, grossly exaggerate it beyond recognition, and then repeat the twisted, distorted gross exaggeration as if it were a fact. Then if you repeat something often enough, you can convince some people it is true. And it has worked in many instances.
The internet is a dangerous thing in the hands of the malicious and the feeble-minded. I suspect you are actually the latter, since all you do is cut and paste things manufactured by others.
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The pope could fuck one of your kids in front of your wife and you'd call her a liar, you sick fuck piece of shit.JoltinJoe wrote:D :ugeek: 1B wrote: Joe, do you feel any shame at all that you're involved in and financially support such an organization?
Do you feel any shame that you have forced your children into the same nonsense? No shame that you took it upon yourself to not give them a chance to grow up and make up their own minds about religion - when they're emotionally and intellectually ready to handle such a task?
Do you think you're a monster of sorts?
Do you feel any shame that you're a monstrous liar? Or do you just lift stupid things from websites without checking facts?
The tactics employed by anti-Catholic bigots is to take something with a morsel of truth, twist it, distort it, grossly exaggerate it beyond recognition, and then repeat the twisted, distorted gross exaggeration as if it were a fact. Then if you repeat something often enough, you can convince some people it is true. And it has worked in many instances.
The internet is a dangerous thing in the hands of the malicious and the feeble-minded. I suspect you are actually the latter, since all you do is cut and paste things manufactured by others.
Get some help you gullible, timid moron.
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Truth hurts. Until Atheists start putting their money where their mouths are, all I hear is crying.biobengal wrote:You're going to run with that?SeattleGriz wrote:After reading what you have posted, I will now make sure to only visit Atheist hospitals for my future medical needs.
Really?
Straight outta the "How to Talk to an Atheist" playbook?
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SeattleGriz wrote:Truth hurts. Until Atheists start putting their money where their mouths are, all I hear is crying.biobengal wrote:
You're going to run with that?
Really?
Straight outta the "How to Talk to an Atheist" playbook?
Good post!!!
I'm not a Roman Catholic but there are 1.5 billion of them.
I wonder which group gives more to charity.....people of faith or atheists??
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Who does more tangible good for humanity, scientists, or religious zealots?Bison Fan in NW MN wrote:SeattleGriz wrote:
Truth hurts. Until Atheists start putting their money where their mouths are, all I hear is crying.
Good post!!!
I'm not a Roman Catholic but there are 1.5 billion of them.
I wonder which group gives more to charity.....people of faith or atheists??
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Don't show your hand too early now. Religious zealots. Nice categorizationGrizalltheway wrote:Who does more tangible good for humanity, scientists, or religious zealots?Bison Fan in NW MN wrote:
Good post!!!
I'm not a Roman Catholic but there are 1.5 billion of them.
I wonder which group gives more to charity.....people of faith or atheists??
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Where do you think we got our version of humanity and scientists from? From the so called "religious zealots".
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This has turned into an odd argument... for a few reasons
First of all the Catholic Church is a mess - and anybody prepared to just dismiss that is really completely indoctrinated and myopic
Second, just because somebody is pointing out the complete and utter failure of the Catholic church to police itself does not (or should not) mean we devolve into a debate about the value or lack there of - the history of Religion on the development of man
Those two things are far far apart
The Catholic church is a mess, indeed
But over all Religion (or Faith) is an exciting and interesting idea worthy of discussion
That is two distinctly different conversations
First of all the Catholic Church is a mess - and anybody prepared to just dismiss that is really completely indoctrinated and myopic
Second, just because somebody is pointing out the complete and utter failure of the Catholic church to police itself does not (or should not) mean we devolve into a debate about the value or lack there of - the history of Religion on the development of man
Those two things are far far apart
The Catholic church is a mess, indeed
But over all Religion (or Faith) is an exciting and interesting idea worthy of discussion
That is two distinctly different conversations
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A: The actual teachings of Jesus
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Really? Quite the opposite is true. Anyone willing to call the Catholic Church a "mess" is myopic and indoctrinated.Chizzang wrote:First of all the Catholic Church is a mess - and anybody prepared to just dismiss that is really completely indoctrinated and myopic
It's always the same. A long list of distortions are offered as a proof (like the list above) and then some statement like the one you make is made.
You get all these crappy lies from websites with an agenda. You don't seek any balanced information. Indoctrination
You then dismiss anyone who wants to bring actual facts, truth, and balanced and accurate history to the discussion. Myopia
And then you indoctrinate others with the same nonsense: "the Church supported Hitler" or "only the Catholic Church concealed child abuse."
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Grizalltheway wrote:Who does more tangible good for humanity, scientists, or religious zealots?Bison Fan in NW MN wrote:
Good post!!!
I'm not a Roman Catholic but there are 1.5 billion of them.
I wonder which group gives more to charity.....people of faith or atheists??
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Really?
Pretty easy.....religion!
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Several problems with your argument. First Atheism is not a religion or organisation so your comparison here is bunk. Second, atheist and others do contribute to many good causes including those run by the catholic church. MOF, most of the money distributed by the Church's charitable arm came from secular sources.SeattleGriz wrote:Truth hurts. Until Atheists start putting their money where their mouths are, all I hear is crying.biobengal wrote:
You're going to run with that?
Really?
Straight outta the "How to Talk to an Atheist" playbook?
The church is the largest single charitable organisation in the country. Catholic Charities USA, its main charity, and its subsidiaries employ over 65,000 paid staff and serve over 10m people. These organisations distributed $4.7 billion to the poor in 2010, of which 62% came from local, state and federal government agencies....Another source of revenue is local and federal government, which bankroll the Medicare and Medicaid of patients in Catholic hospitals, the cost of educating pupils in Catholic schools and loans to students attending Catholic universities. And municipal bonds....California is the biggest borrower. Although funding for religious groups is prohibited under the state’s constitution, a series of court rulings has opened the door to bond issues. Catholic groups there have raised at least $12 billion through muni bonds over the past decade. Of that, some $9 billion went to hospitals. In one case, in San Jose, the money went to buy chancery offices for the bishop.
The dioceses back their bonds with letters of credit from banks. Among the most active guarantors are Allied Irish Banks (AIB), US Bancorp and Wells Fargo. None of the banks was prepared to discuss the financial terms of these contracts.
Muni bonds are generally tax-free for investors, so the cost of borrowing is lower than it would be for a taxable investment. In other words, the church enjoys a subsidy more commonly associated with local governments and public-sector projects. If the church has issued more debt in part to meet the financial strains caused by the scandals, then the American taxpayer has indirectly helped mitigate the church’s losses from its settlements. Taxpayers may end up on the hook for other costs, too. For example, settlement of the hundreds of possible abuse cases in New York might cause the closure of Catholic schools across the city.
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Now back to topic, reason 51 right here:
The catholic church does not follow acceptable financial rules and guidelines.
OF ALL the organisations that serve America’s poor, few do more good work than the Catholic church: its schools and hospitals provide a lifeline for millions. Yet even taking these virtues into account, the finances of the Catholic church in America are an unholy mess. The sins involved in its book-keeping are not as vivid or grotesque as those on display in the various sexual-abuse cases that have cost the American church more than $3 billion so far; but the financial mismanagement and questionable business practices would have seen widespread resignations at the top of any other public institution.
The sexual-abuse scandals of the past 20 years have brought shame to the church around the world. In America they have also brought financial strains. By studying court documents in bankruptcy cases, examining public records, requesting documents from local, state and federal governments, as well as talking to priests and bishops confidentially, The Economist has sought to quantify the damage....
Some influential Catholics are keen to see better management and more openness and accountability. Leon Panetta, America’s defence secretary, called for outside oversight of church finances when he was a director of the National Leadership Roundtable on Church Management, a position he relinquished in 2009 to become director of the CIA. Faced with competition from other churches and disgrace from the behaviour of some of its priests, there has never been a more important time to listen to such calls, and to invite in the help and scrutiny that the church’s finances seem so clearly to need.
What a mess.
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Really, Pedophile Protector Joe? Sooooo, possibly your next pope is indoctrinated and myopic, cuz he (and your hero Hans Kung) sure as hell seem to think there's a problem.JoltinJoe wrote:Really? Quite the opposite is true. Anyone willing to call the Catholic Church a "mess" is myopic and indoctrinated.Chizzang wrote:First of all the Catholic Church is a mess - and anybody prepared to just dismiss that is really completely indoctrinated and myopic
http://www.scotsman.com/scotland-on-sun ... -1-2671226" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;THE man widely tipped to be the next Pope told an audience in Glasgow yesterday that the Catholic Church will not grow unless it deals with the sex abuse scandal that has rocked it in recent years.
Cardinal George Pell, the Archbishop of Sydney, warned the Bishops’ Conference of Scotland that sex abuse was a “criminal moral cancer” and that the Catholic Church will not recover “until every cell is excised”.
He said: “Few, if any, people 50 years ago expected the dark stain of sexual abuse to have spread so widely across the church, while varying in extent even within countries. It does not need to be said that this is the most important and powerful barrier to the New Evangelisation.”
He also admitted the Catholic Church in Australia had not dealt properly with sexual abuse within the church.
“It is shameful and shocking that this abuse, with its tragic toll on those who were abused and on their families, was committed by Catholic priests and church workers,” he said during a speech at the Glasgow City Chambers.
“That church officials have sometimes failed to deal appropriately with those who have been abused, and with priests and church workers accused of abuse, is deeply disturbing.”
He continued: “Much still needs to be done in Australia and will be done, but substantial steps have been taken procedurally in the last 16 years and generally these procedures have been followed.
“We would hope that the church community is purer and stronger in itself after removing much of this criminal moral cancer. However, the church will remain at the foot of the cross until every cancer cell is excised.”
Pell, who has been a cardinal for almost a decade, is well regarded within the papal community for his skills with the media and gift for public speaking, and is believed to be under serious consideration in the Vatican for the future papacy.
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Hey DD1B wrote:Really, Pedophile Protector Joe? Sooooo, possibly your next pope is indoctrinated and myopic, cuz he (and your hero Hans Kung) sure as hell seem to think there's a problem.JoltinJoe wrote:
Really? Quite the opposite is true. Anyone willing to call the Catholic Church a "mess" is myopic and indoctrinated.![]()
http://www.scotsman.com/scotland-on-sun ... -1-2671226" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;THE man widely tipped to be the next Pope told an audience in Glasgow yesterday that the Catholic Church will not grow unless it deals with the sex abuse scandal that has rocked it in recent years.
Cardinal George Pell, the Archbishop of Sydney, warned the Bishops’ Conference of Scotland that sex abuse was a “criminal moral cancer” and that the Catholic Church will not recover “until every cell is excised”.
He said: “Few, if any, people 50 years ago expected the dark stain of sexual abuse to have spread so widely across the church, while varying in extent even within countries. It does not need to be said that this is the most important and powerful barrier to the New Evangelisation.”
He also admitted the Catholic Church in Australia had not dealt properly with sexual abuse within the church.
“It is shameful and shocking that this abuse, with its tragic toll on those who were abused and on their families, was committed by Catholic priests and church workers,” he said during a speech at the Glasgow City Chambers.
“That church officials have sometimes failed to deal appropriately with those who have been abused, and with priests and church workers accused of abuse, is deeply disturbing.”
He continued: “Much still needs to be done in Australia and will be done, but substantial steps have been taken procedurally in the last 16 years and generally these procedures have been followed.
“We would hope that the church community is purer and stronger in itself after removing much of this criminal moral cancer. However, the church will remain at the foot of the cross until every cancer cell is excised.”
Pell, who has been a cardinal for almost a decade, is well regarded within the papal community for his skills with the media and gift for public speaking, and is believed to be under serious consideration in the Vatican for the future papacy.
What you refuse to admit is that the way the Church did things is the way everyone else did things.
So butt out, we don't know you phony piety. I can say the Church needs to conform to a higher standard. Since you have no faith, you can't. So your "concern" comes across as something else.
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JoltinJoe wrote:Hey DD1B wrote:
Really, Pedophile Protector Joe? Sooooo, possibly your next pope is indoctrinated and myopic, cuz he (and your hero Hans Kung) sure as hell seem to think there's a problem.![]()
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B, he didn't say the Church was a "mess." He said the Church needs to cleanse itself of issues relating to the way sex abuse claims were handled. Does anyone dispute they were handled wrong?
What you refuse to admit is that the way the Church did things is the way everyone else did things.
So butt out, we don't know you phony piety. I can say the Church needs to conform to a higher standard. Since you have no faith, you can't. So your "concern" comes across as something else.
Your church is a mess, in so many ways.
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D1B wrote:JoltinJoe wrote:
Hey DB, he didn't say the Church was a "mess." He said the Church needs to cleanse itself of issues relating to the way sex abuse claims were handled. Does anyone dispute they were handled wrong?
What you refuse to admit is that the way the Church did things is the way everyone else did things.
So butt out, we don't know you phony piety. I can say the Church needs to conform to a higher standard. Since you have no faith, you can't. So your "concern" comes across as something else.
Your church is a mess, in so many ways.You're too indoctrinated to see it.
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This is a serious discussion. Please stop with the sidebars. Thank you.CAA Flagship wrote:D1B wrote:
Your church is a mess, in so many ways.You're too indoctrinated to see it.
We are Catholic. We are to "intoxicated" to see it. Get it right.
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You said "bars".93henfan wrote:This is a serious discussion. Please stop with the sidebars. Thank you.CAA Flagship wrote:We are Catholic. We are to "intoxicated" to see it. Get it right.


