You've seen one government-run agency, you've seen 'em all.Some Long Island Power Authority customers are charged up after they received their normal electric bill despite spending weeks without power due to Hurricane Sandy.
The New York Post reported that Long Island residents received an estimated rate that covered the entire billing cycle, and the statements made no mention of potential refunds to account for the prolonged blackouts.
'I guess they had power, so they could print my bills. Nice, right?'
- Jonathan Saporta, Long Island resident
"I can't get LIPA to acknowledge my existence on earth to talk to me about anything," Jonathan Saporta told the paper after getting hit with $649 for a home he left in October and $281 bill for his new place. "But I guess they had power, so they could print my bills. Nice, right?"
The paper reported that LIPA did not return phone calls seeking comment.
To be sure, the utility was widely criticized for its hurricane response and preparedness.
LIPA said in its defense that the storm was worse than anyone could have imagined and that it didn't just damage outdoor electrical lines; it caused flooding that touched home and business breaker boxes. LIPA also acknowledged that an outdated computer system for keeping customers notified has added to people's frustration.
But some say the government-run utility should have seen it coming. It was recently criticized in a withering state report for lax preparation ahead of last year's Hurricane Irene and for the 25-year-old computer system used to pinpoint outages and update customers.
At its peak, Sandy knocked out power to 8.5 million customers in 10 states, with New York and New Jersey bearing the brunt.
The paper reported that Con Ed, the utility that lights up Manhattan, wants to refund its city customers who lost power $3 and customers from the outer boroughs $6. Those figures represent a portion of customers’ fixed monthly bills, which exclude power usage, the report said.
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/11/24/lo ... z2DD3bPPAw" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
LIPA Charges Sandy Victims Despite Power Outages
- AZGrizFan
- Supporter

- Posts: 59959
- Joined: Fri Jul 13, 2007 4:40 pm
- I am a fan of: Sexual Chocolate
- Location: Just to the right of center
LIPA Charges Sandy Victims Despite Power Outages
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/11/24/lo ... ric-bills/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

"Ah fuck. You are right." KYJelly, 11/6/12
"The future must not belong to those who slander the prophet of Islam." Barack Obama, 9/25/12

"The future must not belong to those who slander the prophet of Islam." Barack Obama, 9/25/12

- SuperHornet
- SuperHornet

- Posts: 20857
- Joined: Fri Jul 13, 2007 7:24 pm
- I am a fan of: Sac State
- Location: Twentynine Palms, CA
Re: LIPA Charges Sandy Victims Despite Power Outages
Yup. The city-owned utility in Lodi charges little old ladies on fixed incomes $400/mo and jacks up the rates on EVERYONE to cover budget shortfalls in other areas. It's freaking disgusting, but we have NO competition in town. Many of us want PG&E, but the city won't allow it....
FWIW, I'm a miser and won't touch the wall-unit A/C (which has bit the dust anyway) unless it's REALLY hot during the summer and don't bother with the crazy old fashioned baseboard heaters (so old I'm afraid they'll short, and there are no instructions, anyway), yet I STILL get slammed with $100 or more in a 1BR/1BA apartment no matter what I do. It's STUPID!!!
FWIW, I'm a miser and won't touch the wall-unit A/C (which has bit the dust anyway) unless it's REALLY hot during the summer and don't bother with the crazy old fashioned baseboard heaters (so old I'm afraid they'll short, and there are no instructions, anyway), yet I STILL get slammed with $100 or more in a 1BR/1BA apartment no matter what I do. It's STUPID!!!

SuperHornet's Athletics Hall of Fame includes Jacksonville State kicker Ashley Martin, the first girl to score in a Division I football game. She kicked 3 PATs in a 2001 game for J-State.
- dbackjon
- Moderator Team

- Posts: 45627
- Joined: Sat Jul 14, 2007 9:20 am
- I am a fan of: Northern Arizona
- A.K.A.: He/Him
- Location: Scottsdale
Re: LIPA Charges Sandy Victims Despite Power Outages
You think PG#E would do any better? They have a sordid history.
Z -where do you get your power from?
Z -where do you get your power from?
- Grizalltheway
- Supporter

- Posts: 35688
- Joined: Sat Jul 14, 2007 10:01 pm
- A.K.A.: DJ Honey BBQ
- Location: BSC
Re: LIPA Charges Sandy Victims Despite Power Outages
Hamsters. He don't need no government run electricity.dbackjon wrote:You think PG#E would do any better? They have a sordid history.
Z -where do you get your power from?
- dbackjon
- Moderator Team

- Posts: 45627
- Joined: Sat Jul 14, 2007 9:20 am
- I am a fan of: Northern Arizona
- A.K.A.: He/Him
- Location: Scottsdale
Re: LIPA Charges Sandy Victims Despite Power Outages
Hamsters are so 20th Century. Z uses illegals.Grizalltheway wrote:Hamsters. He don't need no government run electricity.dbackjon wrote:You think PG#E would do any better? They have a sordid history.
Z -where do you get your power from?
Re: LIPA Charges Sandy Victims Despite Power Outages
Our power is provided by a coop which returns money at the end of each year to the "customers." Additionally, each year when we go to vote for board members, the coop gives you a new appliance. ( I say give, I paid for it). Last year it was a Hamilton Beach Toaster Oven, this year it was wet/dry vac. It's usually a nice appliance and sometimes I regift it.SuperHornet wrote:Yup. The city-owned utility in Lodi charges little old ladies on fixed incomes $400/mo and jacks up the rates on EVERYONE to cover budget shortfalls in other areas. It's freaking disgusting, but we have NO competition in town. Many of us want PG&E, but the city won't allow it....
FWIW, I'm a miser and won't touch the wall-unit A/C (which has bit the dust anyway) unless it's REALLY hot during the summer and don't bother with the crazy old fashioned baseboard heaters (so old I'm afraid they'll short, and there are no instructions, anyway), yet I STILL get slammed with $100 or more in a 1BR/1BA apartment no matter what I do. It's STUPID!!!
But, they don't raise the rates often. Now the gas company, they are notorious for raising the rates. It works out though, I don't turn the heat on in the winter but that A/C is running in the summer. It's too damn hot not too have it running.
Turns out I might be a little gay. 89Hen 11/7/17
- SDHornet
- Supporter

- Posts: 19511
- Joined: Tue Mar 31, 2009 12:50 pm
- I am a fan of: Sacramento State Hornets
Re: LIPA Charges Sandy Victims Despite Power Outages
dbackjon wrote:Hamsters are so 20th Century. Z uses illegals.Grizalltheway wrote: Hamsters. He don't need no government run electricity.
My gas and electric bill is rarely over $40/month here. Of course being in SoCal there is never a need to use AC or heat.
- AZGrizFan
- Supporter

- Posts: 59959
- Joined: Fri Jul 13, 2007 4:40 pm
- I am a fan of: Sexual Chocolate
- Location: Just to the right of center
Re: LIPA Charges Sandy Victims Despite Power Outages
APS.dbackjon wrote:You think PG#E would do any better? They have a sordid history.
Z -where do you get your power from?
"Ah fuck. You are right." KYJelly, 11/6/12
"The future must not belong to those who slander the prophet of Islam." Barack Obama, 9/25/12

"The future must not belong to those who slander the prophet of Islam." Barack Obama, 9/25/12

- dbackjon
- Moderator Team

- Posts: 45627
- Joined: Sat Jul 14, 2007 9:20 am
- I am a fan of: Northern Arizona
- A.K.A.: He/Him
- Location: Scottsdale
Re: LIPA Charges Sandy Victims Despite Power Outages
So you pay higher rates, and get crappier service than from SRPAZGrizFan wrote:APS.dbackjon wrote:You think PG#E would do any better? They have a sordid history.
Z -where do you get your power from?
-
HI54UNI
- Supporter

- Posts: 12394
- Joined: Fri Jul 13, 2007 9:39 pm
- I am a fan of: Firing Mark Farley
- A.K.A.: Bikinis for JSO
- Location: The Panther State
Re: LIPA Charges Sandy Victims Despite Power Outages
This has nothing to do with the fact that it is a govt run utility. The problem is that it is a govt run utility in NY. Some history/facts on LIPA:
It was a private utility that started construction of a nuclear power plant but then the state and others made it impossible for them to complete and use it. So they built a power plant and never used it to generate power. The state of NY ended up buying out the private utility and took over management. Because of this LIPA rates are among the highest in the country and they don't want to raise rates more so they can make improvements to the system.
LIPA doesn't have its own lineworkers. They are contractors.
The LIPA board is appointed by the governor and/or leaders of the NY legislature. It has become a "job" to reward friends. 8 of the 10 members have political connections to Albany. Only one board member has any utility background.
NY Gov. Cuomo has failed to fill the 5 vacancies on the LIPA board yet he is out criticizing and has started a special investigation.
They have had an "interim" CEO for 2 years.
They started all fucked up and will be all fucked up as long as the state of NY runs it.
It was a private utility that started construction of a nuclear power plant but then the state and others made it impossible for them to complete and use it. So they built a power plant and never used it to generate power. The state of NY ended up buying out the private utility and took over management. Because of this LIPA rates are among the highest in the country and they don't want to raise rates more so they can make improvements to the system.
LIPA doesn't have its own lineworkers. They are contractors.
The LIPA board is appointed by the governor and/or leaders of the NY legislature. It has become a "job" to reward friends. 8 of the 10 members have political connections to Albany. Only one board member has any utility background.
NY Gov. Cuomo has failed to fill the 5 vacancies on the LIPA board yet he is out criticizing and has started a special investigation.
They have had an "interim" CEO for 2 years.
They started all fucked up and will be all fucked up as long as the state of NY runs it.
If fascism ever comes to America, it will come in the name of liberalism. Ronald Reagan, 1975.
Progressivism is cancer
All my posts are satire
Progressivism is cancer
All my posts are satire
- AZGrizFan
- Supporter

- Posts: 59959
- Joined: Fri Jul 13, 2007 4:40 pm
- I am a fan of: Sexual Chocolate
- Location: Just to the right of center
Re: LIPA Charges Sandy Victims Despite Power Outages
Probably. But I don't have a CHOICE who provides my power, Jon.dbackjon wrote:So you pay higher rates, and get crappier service than from SRPAZGrizFan wrote:
APS.
"Ah fuck. You are right." KYJelly, 11/6/12
"The future must not belong to those who slander the prophet of Islam." Barack Obama, 9/25/12

"The future must not belong to those who slander the prophet of Islam." Barack Obama, 9/25/12

- AZGrizFan
- Supporter

- Posts: 59959
- Joined: Fri Jul 13, 2007 4:40 pm
- I am a fan of: Sexual Chocolate
- Location: Just to the right of center
Re: LIPA Charges Sandy Victims Despite Power Outages
I see. Incompetence and cronyism only occurs in New York. I wasn't aware of that.HI54UNI wrote:This has nothing to do with the fact that it is a govt run utility. The problem is that it is a govt run utility in NY. Some history/facts on LIPA:
It was a private utility that started construction of a nuclear power plant but then the state and others made it impossible for them to complete and use it. So they built a power plant and never used it to generate power. The state of NY ended up buying out the private utility and took over management. Because of this LIPA rates are among the highest in the country and they don't want to raise rates more so they can make improvements to the system.
LIPA doesn't have its own lineworkers. They are contractors.
The LIPA board is appointed by the governor and/or leaders of the NY legislature. It has become a "job" to reward friends. 8 of the 10 members have political connections to Albany. Only one board member has any utility background.
NY Gov. Cuomo has failed to fill the 5 vacancies on the LIPA board yet he is out criticizing and has started a special investigation.
They have had an "interim" CEO for 2 years.
They started all fucked up and will be all fucked up as long as the state of NY runs it.
"Ah fuck. You are right." KYJelly, 11/6/12
"The future must not belong to those who slander the prophet of Islam." Barack Obama, 9/25/12

"The future must not belong to those who slander the prophet of Islam." Barack Obama, 9/25/12

- Grizalltheway
- Supporter

- Posts: 35688
- Joined: Sat Jul 14, 2007 10:01 pm
- A.K.A.: DJ Honey BBQ
- Location: BSC
Re: LIPA Charges Sandy Victims Despite Power Outages
And in your fucked up version of reality, it only happens in the public sector.AZGrizFan wrote:I see. Incompetence and cronyism only occurs in New York. I wasn't aware of that.HI54UNI wrote:This has nothing to do with the fact that it is a govt run utility. The problem is that it is a govt run utility in NY. Some history/facts on LIPA:
It was a private utility that started construction of a nuclear power plant but then the state and others made it impossible for them to complete and use it. So they built a power plant and never used it to generate power. The state of NY ended up buying out the private utility and took over management. Because of this LIPA rates are among the highest in the country and they don't want to raise rates more so they can make improvements to the system.
LIPA doesn't have its own lineworkers. They are contractors.
The LIPA board is appointed by the governor and/or leaders of the NY legislature. It has become a "job" to reward friends. 8 of the 10 members have political connections to Albany. Only one board member has any utility background.
NY Gov. Cuomo has failed to fill the 5 vacancies on the LIPA board yet he is out criticizing and has started a special investigation.
They have had an "interim" CEO for 2 years.
They started all fucked up and will be all fucked up as long as the state of NY runs it.![]()
- AZGrizFan
- Supporter

- Posts: 59959
- Joined: Fri Jul 13, 2007 4:40 pm
- I am a fan of: Sexual Chocolate
- Location: Just to the right of center
Re: LIPA Charges Sandy Victims Despite Power Outages
Show me where I've said that. I never said it ONLY happens in the public sector. But I can guarantee you that it ALWAYS happens in the public sector.Grizalltheway wrote:And in your fucked up version of reality, it only happens in the public sector.AZGrizFan wrote:
I see. Incompetence and cronyism only occurs in New York. I wasn't aware of that.![]()
"Ah fuck. You are right." KYJelly, 11/6/12
"The future must not belong to those who slander the prophet of Islam." Barack Obama, 9/25/12

"The future must not belong to those who slander the prophet of Islam." Barack Obama, 9/25/12

-
HI54UNI
- Supporter

- Posts: 12394
- Joined: Fri Jul 13, 2007 9:39 pm
- I am a fan of: Firing Mark Farley
- A.K.A.: Bikinis for JSO
- Location: The Panther State
Re: LIPA Charges Sandy Victims Despite Power Outages
I can show you a group of municipal utilities in Iowa where it doesn't happen. I work with 13 of them, two of them go back and forth for the lowest rates in Iowa. Current leader is 5.4 cents per kwh. 3 cents cheaper than the lowest investor owned utility in the state, 8 cents cheaper than the highest investor owned and most of the coops. Their entire electric distribution system is no older than 10 years and it is all underground.AZGrizFan wrote:Show me where I've said that. I never said it ONLY happens in the public sector. But I can guarantee you that it ALWAYS happens in the public sector.Grizalltheway wrote:
And in your fucked up version of reality, it only happens in the public sector.![]()
![]()
If fascism ever comes to America, it will come in the name of liberalism. Ronald Reagan, 1975.
Progressivism is cancer
All my posts are satire
Progressivism is cancer
All my posts are satire
- AZGrizFan
- Supporter

- Posts: 59959
- Joined: Fri Jul 13, 2007 4:40 pm
- I am a fan of: Sexual Chocolate
- Location: Just to the right of center
Re: LIPA Charges Sandy Victims Despite Power Outages
Well that's Iowawesome.HI54UNI wrote:I can show you a group of municipal utilities in Iowa where it doesn't happen. I work with 13 of them, two of them go back and forth for the lowest rates in Iowa. Current leader is 5.4 cents per kwh. 3 cents cheaper than the lowest investor owned utility in the state, 8 cents cheaper than the highest investor owned and most of the coops. Their entire electric distribution system is no older than 10 years and it is all underground.AZGrizFan wrote:
Show me where I've said that. I never said it ONLY happens in the public sector. But I can guarantee you that it ALWAYS happens in the public sector.![]()
![]()
![]()
"Ah fuck. You are right." KYJelly, 11/6/12
"The future must not belong to those who slander the prophet of Islam." Barack Obama, 9/25/12

"The future must not belong to those who slander the prophet of Islam." Barack Obama, 9/25/12

- bluehenbillk
- Level4

- Posts: 7660
- Joined: Mon Jul 16, 2007 5:26 am
- I am a fan of: elaware
- Location: East Coast/Hawaii
Re: LIPA Charges Sandy Victims Despite Power Outages
Most utility companies operate the way LIPA does - they do actual readings every other or every third month & the others are estimates. With everything going on they should have got off their asses and gave people actuals this month or adjusted them down - bad PR move.
Make Delaware Football Great Again
Re: LIPA Charges Sandy Victims Despite Power Outages
Amen. I still remember my electric bills from when I lived in SD. They ranged from $18 - $22/month in my ~900 sf condo. It helped that A/C and heat were never needed and there was always good weather to do something outside instead of sit and watch TV.SDHornet wrote:dbackjon wrote:
Hamsters are so 20th Century. Z uses illegals.![]()
My gas and electric bill is rarely over $40/month here. Of course being in SoCal there is never a need to use AC or heat.
Delaware Football: 1889-2012; 2022-