kalm wrote:It did. It's really these concepts that our nation was founded on.Bison Fan in NW MN wrote:
From the Age of Enlightenment of the 17th and 18th century?
Why didn't this belief catch on with America...or the world for that matter?
I think you misunderstood. God isn't removed. Deism believes in a supreme creator, call him what you will. Deism believes in the natural world but does not believe in all the magic and mythical stories that the bible is based on.Bison Fan in NW MN wrote:Ibanez wrote:
Yeah, it's based on Christianity, hence the modified Bible. Deism is a "modified" Christianity, IMO.
Interesing read on deism. If 'God' is removed or unattached from almost everything.....why believe in anything at all?
I would say the Christian (Desist) morality were guiding principles which our founding fathers believed in and used in making decisions in the creation of the United States. The morals and ideas that gave people like Washington and Adams a moral compass were utilized. Washington, Adams, Jefferson, etc... did not set up a theocracy. They did not set up a country where everything was tied to a religious ideaology or church. The country does not advocate a specific religion. The country advocates the spirit of freedom of and from religion i.e. practice any religion you want and be safe from oppressive religions being forced upon you.Bison Fan in NW MN wrote:kalm wrote:
It did. It's really these concepts that our nation was founded on.
IMO, Christianity played a bigger role but if 'deism' has its roots in Christianity...then both I guess.
Yep, and was a bit if a rejection to Christian concepts like the Devine right if kings.Ibanez wrote:I would say the Christian (Desist) morality were guiding principles which our founding fathers believed in and used in making decisions in the creation of the United States. The morals and ideas that gave people like Washington and Adams a moral compass were utilized. Washington, Adams, Jefferson, etc... did not set up a theocracy. They did not set up a country where everything was tied to a religious ideaology or church. The country does not advocate a specific religion. The country advocates the spirit of freedom of and from religion i.e. practice any religion you want and be safe from oppressive religions being forced upon you.Bison Fan in NW MN wrote:
IMO, Christianity played a bigger role but if 'deism' has its roots in Christianity...then both I guess.
They also did not set up a country where there could not be any association between government and religion and for sure they didn't set one up where a group of atheist malcontents could run to the Federal government then have the Federal government come in and tell a local community they couldn't have a nativity scene in a public park, etc.They did not set up a country where everything was tied to a religious ideaology or church.
Deism is knowing God through reason and seeing his design in the natural world. Deism does not agree with the messages in the bible that strike fear of reprisals for reasoning. Case in point:kalm wrote:Yep, and was a bit if a rejection to Christian concepts like the Devine right if kings.Ibanez wrote:
I would say the Christian (Desist) morality were guiding principles which our founding fathers believed in and used in making decisions in the creation of the United States. The morals and ideas that gave people like Washington and Adams a moral compass were utilized. Washington, Adams, Jefferson, etc... did not set up a theocracy. They did not set up a country where everything was tied to a religious ideaology or church. The country does not advocate a specific religion. The country advocates the spirit of freedom of and from religion i.e. practice any religion you want and be safe from oppressive religions being forced upon you.
Romans 13:1-2Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. Consequently, he who rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves.
They set up a country where the government does not favor one religious idea over another. The country is set up where the people govern. The people elect council members to run the locality in thier stead. If those councils, elected by the people, vote "no" to a public endorsement of religion then that it is thier right. You don't agree with it, but the system works as intended.JohnStOnge wrote:They also did not set up a country where there could not be any association between government and religion and for sure they didn't set one up where a group of atheist malcontents could run to the Federal government then have the Federal government come in and tell a local community they couldn't have a nativity scene in a public park, etc.They did not set up a country where everything was tied to a religious ideaology or church.
Ibanez wrote:Deism is knowing God through reason and seeing his design in the natural world. Deism does not agree with the messages in the bible that strike fear of reprisals for reasoning. Case in point:kalm wrote:
Yep, and was a bit if a rejection to Christian concepts like the Devine right if kings.
Romans 13:1-2Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. Consequently, he who rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves.
The above passage, to the typical religious man in 1775 America would prohibit that man from rebelling against an unjust government, even when it is a righteous rebellion. A man, believing in the natural world designed by God and using his God given reason, rejects the notion that he is forced to abide by a law (or government) that has become tyrannical.
My thoughts exactly. If we allow that then we have to allow every religion access to public parks and courthouses. Better to leave religion out of public places than to open the door competing exhibits.kalm wrote:Ibanez wrote:
Deism is knowing God through reason and seeing his design in the natural world. Deism does not agree with the messages in the bible that strike fear of reprisals for reasoning. Case in point:
Romans 13:1-2
The above passage, to the typical religious man in 1775 America would prohibit that man from rebelling against an unjust government, even when it is a righteous rebellion. A man, believing in the natural world designed by God and using his God given reason, rejects the notion that he is forced to abide by a law (or government) that has become tyrannical.
Or forcing non Christians to acknowledge a nativity scene in the town square or the Ten Commandments in a court house.
Exactly. This doesn't mean we live in a godless world. It simply means our laws don't favor one group over another, nationally. Now, at the state, county, city levels the government has every right to say what will and won't be acceptable. If Santa Monica wants to allow a public nativity scene, then they should also allow a public Menorah, etc...BlueHen86 wrote:My thoughts exactly. If we allow that then we have to allow every religion access to public parks and courthouses. Better to leave religion out of public places than to open the door competing exhibits.kalm wrote:
Or forcing non Christians to acknowledge a nativity scene in the town square or the Ten Commandments in a court house.
Athiests may be whiny bitches, but the people who insist on putting a nativity scene in a public park are no better.
Ibanez wrote:This world would be a better place if Deism was widely known and accepted.
