Papa John's founder is a douche!

[JoltinJoe]

[Grizalltheway]

Two Amy's in DC tops my pie list.

So which one ended up being better? Were they twins?

[JohnStOnge]

You know I just looked into the 4.6 cents per pizza for the first time. I found the following statement in an article at http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/1 ... 23207.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; :

Caleb Melby of Forbes has graciously done the math on Obamacare’s cost to Papa John’s and according to his analysis, to cover the cost of Obamacare, the pizza chain would have to raise prices by 3.4 to 4.6 cents per pie -- way less than the 11 to 14 cents Schnatter claims he needs.

So I'm wondering: Why on EARTH would you believe some reporter/editorial writer with respect to the effect on the cost of a pizza over the head of the company? I mean, I guess you could still say it's "bad" for a company to layoff employees rather than incur a cost of 11 to 14 cents per pizza. But WHY believe some reporter over the guy who is actually deeply involved in the business and has access to analysis of all the factors that might be involved?

And yes I know I might be perceived as doing the same thing at times. Obviously I frequently question analyses by experts. But I don't just believe what some reporter says because he or she said it without critical thought.

Otherwise, this is so typically liberal. They were told people would lose their jobs if Obamacare was passed. So now people are going to losing their jobs. And instead of blaming the passage of Obamacare they blame the business owners who have to lay people off due to the costs of Obamacare. They simply will not take responsibility for the consequences of them getting their way.

I mean, they COULD say something like, "Yeah. Some people are losing their jobs as we knew they would. But, on balance, the overall situation will be better." But they don't. They try to pretend that if there are any adverse consequences at all associated with something they pushed for it is somebody else's fault.

[Chizzang]

Otherwise, this is so typically liberal. They were told people would lose their jobs if Obamacare was passed. So now people are going to losing their jobs. And instead of blaming the passage of Obamacare they blame the business owners who have to lay people off due to the costs of Obamacare. They simply will not take responsibility for the consequences of them getting their way.

I mean, they COULD say something like, "Yeah. Some people are losing their jobs as we knew they would. But, on balance, the overall situation will be better." But they don't. They try to pretend that if there are any adverse consequences at all associated with something they pushed for it is somebody else's fault.

It's distinctly NOT typically Liberal
It's Typically HUMAN - You in fact are exhibiting the exact same type of behavior on just about every thread other than this one...

And yes: You are correct
The owner should absolutely lay off employees to suit his business model
The price is the price / if the Pizza needs to be $5.99 and that's your breaking point then he needs to do just that and keep his costs down... I completely agree

Secondly
You'll want to examine the GIANT disconnect you're experiencing - Logical reasonable JohnStWrong vs. Emotional incredulous JohnStWrong on some other threads bro...

[green&gold75]

Look at this thread.
One thing is clear - people are opinionated about who makes the best pizza, and where they prefer to get theirs.
Would anyone here (or does anyone here know anyone who would) change over 5 cents/pie?

Not suggesting that increased costs over covering employees won't hurt some businesses, but with this case I'm not sure how to know if Papa John's complaint over "Obamacare" costs isn't smokescreen for a business decision not really related to it.

And, oh yeah - Ricco's in Hampton. Not only good NY style, but a large is still really large.

[clenz]

Agree that 5 cents a pie didn't sound like much, but when you make as many as papa johns it adds up

Sent from the nexus of the universe

[green&gold75]

Agree that 5 cents a pie didn't sound like much, but when you make as many as papa johns it adds up

Sent from the nexus of the universe

Understood, but what I was wondering was would sales suffer over that change?
I wouldn't change over it, or buy less pizza.

[89Hen]

Agree that 5 cents a pie didn't sound like much, but when you make as many as papa johns it adds up

Sent from the nexus of the universe

Understood, but what I was wondering was would sales suffer over that change?
I wouldn't change over it, or buy less pizza.

I don't eat Papa John's but I would assume they price like all the rest... 2 mediums for $14.99 or $10.00 Tuesdays, etc... they are not going to start doing 2 mediums for $15.19 or $10.05 Tuesdays.

[Chizzang]

Understood, but what I was wondering was would sales suffer over that change?
I wouldn't change over it, or buy less pizza.

I don't eat Papa John's but I would assume they price like all the rest... 2 mediums for $14.99 or $10.00 Tuesdays, etc... they are not going to start doing 2 mediums for $15.19 or $10.05 Tuesdays.

And that's the real point...
Agreed
They're being pounded hard enough to hit those obscene price points
if the breaking point has been hit - then anything that adds to cost has got to go (period)

[YoUDeeMan]

Agree that 5 cents a pie didn't sound like much, but when you make as many as papa johns it adds up

Sent from the nexus of the universe

Understood, but what I was wondering was would sales suffer over that change?
I wouldn't change over it, or buy less pizza.

Say, we could save money by eliminating the penny from production, price everything at $___.05, and use the extra nickle to fund Obamacare.

Problem solved...until the dopes in Congress decide we need to hire more workers and install a new tzar and a bloated staff in order to make more nickles.

[Ibanez]

Understood, but what I was wondering was would sales suffer over that change?
I wouldn't change over it, or buy less pizza.

Say, we could save money by eliminating the penny from production, price everything at $___.05, and use the extra nickle to fund Obamacare.

Problem solved...until the dopes in Congress decide we need to hire more workers and install a new tzar and a bloated staff in order to make more nickles.

Can the Tzar be bloated?

Damn you FDR!!!

[Grizalltheway]

This.

http://www.slate.com/articles/business/ ... picks=true" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[Ibanez]

This.

http://www.slate.com/articles/business/ ... picks=true" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

John Schnatter, CEO of Papa John’s and a major Mitt Romney donor and fundraiser, gave us a hint in an August call with shareholders when he complained that it would raise costs about 11 to 14 cents per pizza. That’s peanuts. Between variations in sales taxes, fluctuations in ingredient costs, and place-to-place differences in rents, any food chain is used to dealing with price swings on this magnitude. At worst, an increase in labor costs along these lines is going to mean that cash wages in the service sector grow at a modestly slower rate for the next year or two