Layoff Thread:

[93henfan]

Playtex Dover and a pink slip.

There's a joke in there somewhere.

He worked with laytex gloves, bras, and tampons.

More ammo.

[Grizalltheway]

Fail

Where's the fail, exactly? Starbucks offers healthcare to all its employees, even part-timers.

[89Hen]

Fail

Where's the fail, exactly? Starbucks offers healthcare to all its employees, even part-timers.

That's Starbuck's choice, isn't it?

The fail is comparing advertising dollars to other expenses imposed on them. It reminds me of all the people in DC who were against building Nationals Park. They said, why not spend the money on schools instead of a ballpark. They didn't get that if they didn't build the ballpark, they weren't going to spend the money on schools. The ballpark was an investment, there was no bucket of cash sitting around looking for a home.

[D1B]

Where's the fail, exactly? Starbucks offers healthcare to all its employees, even part-timers.

That's Starbuck's choice, isn't it?

The fail is comparing advertising dollars to other expenses imposed on them. It reminds me of all the people in DC who were against building Nationals Park. They said, why not spend the money on schools instead of a ballpark. They didn't get that if they didn't build the ballpark, they weren't going to spend the money on schools. The ballpark was an investment, there was no bucket of cash sitting around looking for a home.

[89Hen]

Where's the fail, exactly? Starbucks offers healthcare to all its employees, even part-timers.

That's Starbuck's choice, isn't it?

BTW, wasn't the Starbuck's CEO railing against Obamacare for the past two years?

[Grizalltheway]

That's Starbuck's choice, isn't it?

BTW, wasn't the Starbuck's CEO railing against Obamacare for the past two years?

Maybe. All I know is it's not unreasonable to expect such a large company to offer basic health coverage to its employees.

[Chizzang]

That's Starbuck's choice, isn't it?

BTW, wasn't the Starbuck's CEO railing against Obamacare for the past two years?

This one is a tricky mess actually...
Starbucks has been struggling fiercely with an internal (fairly quiet) battle against unionization...
The California branches are organizing and fighting for unionization

This has effected Starbucks activities surrounding healthcare dramatically if Starbucks goes Union they will indeed cut everybody's hours to below 20 a week and shitcan the whole thing

Unions / Killing America one great business at a time

[89Hen]

BTW, wasn't the Starbuck's CEO railing against Obamacare for the past two years?

Maybe. All I know is it's not unreasonable to expect such a large company to offer basic health coverage to its employees.

Expect is far from impose.

[Grizalltheway]

Maybe. All I know is it's not unreasonable to expect such a large company to offer basic health coverage to its employees.

Expect is far from impose.

Setting that aside, let me ask you this: would you rather have the price of your pizza go up 14 cents so PJ's can offer its employees healthcare, or continue to subsidize them when they end up in the ER and can't pay?

[89Hen]

Expect is far from impose.

Setting that aside, let me ask you this: would you rather have the price of your pizza go up 14 cents so PJ's can offer its employees healthcare, or continue to subsidize them when they end up in the ER and can't pay?

I don't eat Papa John's.

But to answer the hyopthetical, I'm not a utilitarian.

[SeattleGriz]

Fail

Where's the fail, exactly? Starbucks offers healthcare to all its employees, even part-timers.

I would be looking at the margins of profitability of their respective products first. How much does a double short latte costing $3.25 cost Starbucks to make and how much does an $12.99 pizza cost Papa Johns?

[Grizalltheway]

Where's the fail, exactly? Starbucks offers healthcare to all its employees, even part-timers.

I would be looking at the margins of profitability of their respective products first. How much does a double short latte costing $3.25 cost Starbucks to make and how much does an $12.99 pizza cost Papa Johns?

That's a fair point, it looks like Starbucks' profit margin is about 6% higher than PJ's.

But the point is that they're willing to reinvest some of that profit in their lower-level employees, instead of just sitting on the cash or dolling it out to shareholders.

[CAA Flagship]

I would be looking at the margins of profitability of their respective products first. How much does a double short latte costing $3.25 cost Starbucks to make and how much does an $12.99 pizza cost Papa Johns?

That's a fair point, it looks like Starbucks' profit margin is about 6% higher than PJ's.

But the point is that they're willing to reinvest some of that profit in their lower-level employees, instead of just sitting on the cash or dolling it out to shareholders.

If they sit on the cash, it gets taxed by the Obamanazis. So that is not an option.
What's wrong with giving it to shareholders? They are the ones that took the risk. The employees are not taking any risk. It's not like it is a highly skilled job. They can work at a lot of other places. Supply and demand. Let Starbucks struggle to find employees and they will dangle the carrot eventually.

[AZGrizFan]

BTW, wasn't the Starbuck's CEO railing against Obamacare for the past two years?

Maybe. All I know is it's not unreasonable to expect such a large company to offer basic health coverage to its employees.

Do you have ANY idea how much "basic" healthcare costs a company?

[kalm]

Maybe. All I know is it's not unreasonable to expect such a large company to offer basic health coverage to its employees.

Do you have ANY idea how much "basic" healthcare costs a company?

It's massive and I don't think employers should be required to cover it. BUT...what happens if enough employers don't because they can't afford it, and enough people who used to have employer covered healthcare can no longer afford private insurance?

Insurance is simply spreading the risk. Eliminate for-profit insurance, make big pharma have to price their drugs competitively on an open market, and watch the cost of basic healthcare go down.

[kalm]

BTW, wasn't the Starbuck's CEO railing against Obamacare for the past two years?

This one is a tricky mess actually...
Starbucks has been struggling fiercely with an internal (fairly quiet) battle against unionization...
The California branches are organizing and fighting for unionization

This has effected Starbucks activities surrounding healthcare dramatically if Starbucks goes Union they will indeed cut everybody's hours to below 20 a week and shitcan the whole thing

Unions / Killing America one great business at a time

Yeah...they represent about 6% of the private sector workforce these days. There's simply no stopping that evil juggernaut!

I find it sad that entry level jobs are worth unionizing over.

[AZGrizFan]

Do you have ANY idea how much "basic" healthcare costs a company?

It's massive and I don't think employers should be required to cover it. BUT...what happens if enough employers don't because they can't afford it, and enough people who used to have employer covered healthcare can no longer afford private insurance?

Insurance is simply spreading the risk. Eliminate for-profit insurance, make big pharma have to price their drugs competitively on an open market, and watch the cost of basic healthcare go down.

And sit back and watch not another drug be developed.

[DSUrocks07]

Where's the fail, exactly? Starbucks offers healthcare to all its employees, even part-timers.

I would be looking at the margins of profitability of their respective products first. How much does a double short latte costing $3.25 cost Starbucks to make and how much does an $12.99 pizza cost Papa Johns?

Starbucks: hot water, coffee grounds, skim milk, and variety of flavor additives.

This is how Starbucks can afford "basic healthcare" for its employees. The cost of doing business is going to go up in this country. And Obama and the Donks have essentially made it a crime to turn a profit in any business venture.

[AZGrizFan]

Do you have ANY idea how much "basic" healthcare costs a company?

It's massive and I don't think employers should be required to cover it. BUT...what happens if enough employers don't because they can't afford it, and enough people who used to have employer covered healthcare can no longer afford private insurance?

Insurance is simply spreading the risk. Eliminate for-profit insurance, make big pharma have to price their drugs competitively on an open market, and watch the cost of basic healthcare go down.

I run a company of 102 people. 71 of them are on the company healthcare plan (the rest are mostly covered by their spouse's plan, usually military). Our MONTHLY bill for "basic" coverage is $45,101. Now, add in the bills for the dental and vision plans and you're well over $50,000 per month to cover 71 people. And that's just the hard, easily identifiable costs. There are a few provisions of the healthcare law that are rather "interesting", to say the least, and that will have soft dollar costs not so easily defined:

* Employers are now required to report the value of employees' healthcare benefits on W-2's. Gee, wonder why that is? Think maybe the'll begin taxing that benefit as income at some point?
* HSA's have had severe restrictions put on them regarding what consumers can purchase through their HSA plan, including the elimination of most over the counter medication.
* The penalty for making non-qualified purchases with an HSA increases to 20%.
* Businesses now have to complete a 1099 form for every BTB transaction of $600 or more.
* Beginning in 2013, the medical expense deduction floor is raised from 7.5% of AGI to 10%.
* The medicare payroll tax on wages > $250,000 increases by .9%, and 3.8% on investment income.
* Cafeteria FSA contributions will now be limited to $2,500

The list goes on and on, but you get my point. This albatross of a bill will bankrupt many, many companies. Liberals can flamespray the Papa John's founder all they want, but they're missing the greater point. As usual.

[Baldy]

It's massive and I don't think employers should be required to cover it. BUT...what happens if enough employers don't because they can't afford it, and enough people who used to have employer covered healthcare can no longer afford private insurance?

Insurance is simply spreading the risk. Eliminate for-profit insurance, make big pharma have to price their drugs competitively on an open market, and watch the cost of basic healthcare go down.

I run a company of 102 people. 71 of them are on the company healthcare plan (the rest are mostly covered by their spouse's plan, usually military). Our MONTHLY bill for "basic" coverage is $45,101. Now, add in the bills for the dental and vision plans and you're well over $50,000 per month to cover 71 people. And that's just the hard, easily identifiable costs. There are a few provisions of the healthcare law that are rather "interesting", to say the least, and that will have soft dollar costs not so easily defined:

* Employers are now required to report the value of employees' healthcare benefits on W-2's. Gee, wonder why that is? Think maybe the'll begin taxing that benefit as income at some point?
* HSA's have had severe restrictions put on them regarding what consumers can purchase through their HSA plan, including the elimination of most over the counter medication.
* The penalty for making non-qualified purchases with an HSA increases to 20%.
* Businesses now have to complete a 1099 form for every BTB transaction of $600 or more.
* Beginning in 2013, the medical expense deduction floor is raised from 7.5% of AGI to 10%.
* The medicare payroll tax on wages > $250,000 increases by .9%, and 3.8% on investment income.
* Cafeteria FSA contributions will now be limited to $2,500

The list goes on and on, but you get my point. This albatross of a bill will bankrupt many, many companies. Liberals can flamespray the Papa John's founder all they want, but they're missing the greater point. As usual.

I believe the bold part has been eliminated, but otherwise, you are spot on.

People have no clue how Obamacare is going to destroy healthcare. Doctors are going to be retiring in record numbers in 2013, hospitals are beginning to not accept Medicare or Medicaid patients unless they are inpatients. There is already a shortage of allied and clinical medical personnel, but you will see between 400,000 and 500,000 medical professionals lose their jobs over the next 2-3 years. I will be surprised if my wife even has a job by the end of next year.

It's sad as hell, but I'm just gonna sit back in the corner and laugh at it all. Guess what motherfuckers, you wanted it...you got it.

[D1B]

I run a company of 102 people. 71 of them are on the company healthcare plan (the rest are mostly covered by their spouse's plan, usually military). Our MONTHLY bill for "basic" coverage is $45,101. Now, add in the bills for the dental and vision plans and you're well over $50,000 per month to cover 71 people. And that's just the hard, easily identifiable costs. There are a few provisions of the healthcare law that are rather "interesting", to say the least, and that will have soft dollar costs not so easily defined:

* Employers are now required to report the value of employees' healthcare benefits on W-2's. Gee, wonder why that is? Think maybe the'll begin taxing that benefit as income at some point?
* HSA's have had severe restrictions put on them regarding what consumers can purchase through their HSA plan, including the elimination of most over the counter medication.
* The penalty for making non-qualified purchases with an HSA increases to 20%.
* Businesses now have to complete a 1099 form for every BTB transaction of $600 or more.
* Beginning in 2013, the medical expense deduction floor is raised from 7.5% of AGI to 10%.
* The medicare payroll tax on wages > $250,000 increases by .9%, and 3.8% on investment income.
* Cafeteria FSA contributions will now be limited to $2,500

The list goes on and on, but you get my point. This albatross of a bill will bankrupt many, many companies. Liberals can flamespray the Papa John's founder all they want, but they're missing the greater point. As usual.

I believe the bold part has been eliminated, but otherwise, you are spot on.

People have no clue how Obamacare is going to destroy healthcare. Doctors are going to be retiring in record numbers in 2013, hospitals are beginning to not accept Medicare or Medicaid patients unless they are inpatients. There is already a shortage of allied and clinical medical personnel, but you will see between 400,000 and 500,000 medical professionals lose their jobs over the next 2-3 years. I will be surprised if my wife even has a job by the end of next year.

It's sad as hell, but I'm just gonna sit back in the corner and laugh at it all. Guess what motherfuckers, you wanted it...you got it.

You two conk bozo's have been wrong on just about every "sky is falling" prediction you've made.

Destroy healthcare? GREAT!! That's what we need.

Like the government employee racket, the healthcare industry in America is an exploitative, bloated system that needed a wake up call, and they got it.

The free ride is over for most healthcare professionals - one of the few labor groups lazier and less productive and more overpaid than government workers.

For anyone seeking a balanced perspective on the ACA, here are a few sources:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/carolynmccl ... re-reform/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

http://healthreform.kff.org/faq.aspx?source=QL" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

http://www.factcheck.org/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[AZGrizFan]

Destroy healthcare? GREAT!! That's what we need.

Like the government employee racket, the healthcare industry in America is an exploitative, bloated system that needed a wake up call, and they got it.

The free ride is over for most healthcare professionals - one of the few labor groups lazier and less productive and more overpaid than government workers.

So, we're going to "destroy healthcare", those "lazy, less productive and more overpaid than government" workers, and in the process cause hundreds of thousands of additional layoffs, increased costs and bankruptcy for thousands of small businesses, cease any chance at job creation and a corresponding decline in unemployment, and that's satisfactory collateral damage to you?

OTOH, you can still sit on your high horse and boycot Dennys and Papa Johns.

[D1B]

Destroy healthcare? GREAT!! That's what we need.

Like the government employee racket, the healthcare industry in America is an exploitative, bloated system that needed a wake up call, and they got it.

The free ride is over for most healthcare professionals - one of the few labor groups lazier and less productive and more overpaid than government workers.

So, we're going to "destroy healthcare", those "lazy, less productive and more overpaid than government" workers, and in the process cause hundreds of thousands of additional layoffs, increased costs and bankruptcy for thousands of small businesses, cease any chance at job creation and a corresponding decline in unemployment, and that's satisfactory collateral damage to you?

OTOH, you can still sit on your high horse and boycot Dennys and Papa Johns.

Your opinion and you're seldom accurate.

[AZGrizFan]

So, we're going to "destroy healthcare", those "lazy, less productive and more overpaid than government" workers, and in the process cause hundreds of thousands of additional layoffs, increased costs and bankruptcy for thousands of small businesses, cease any chance at job creation and a corresponding decline in unemployment, and that's satisfactory collateral damage to you?

OTOH, you can still sit on your high horse and boycot Dennys and Papa Johns.

Your opinion and you're seldom accurate.

Excellent use of "your" and "you're".

[D1B]

Your opinion and you're seldom accurate.

Excellent use of "your" and "you're".

Thank you . I did though have to lift "seldom" out of a thesaurus.