Rank your political views

[CAA Flagship]

What???

If you don't have a healty living environment and resources or control of resources, nothing else really matters. The rest is insignificant.

I'm a big picture, long term guy...

Fine. But Administrations only have 4 year cycles and the complete destruction of the environment, even if we wanted to do it, would take a lot longer than the collapse of our country financially. My ranking would begin with things that affect the most people and things that could occur sooner.

[psychoCAT]

I will second chizzang's perspective of not having a revenue issue, but a spending issue. BUT, if you are going to spend taxpayer's money, spend it on things that will actually HELP americans. Jobs, education, college financial aid, community and technical colleges, trade schools, small businesses and quit spending so much on wars and the military industrial complex. Oh and stay the hell out of our bedrooms and nether areas.

[kalm]

If you don't have a healty living environment and resources or control of resources, nothing else really matters. The rest is insignificant.

I'm a big picture, long term guy...

Fine. But Administrations only have 4 year cycles and the complete destruction of the environment, even if we wanted to do it, would take a lot longer than the collapse of our country financially. My ranking would begin with things that affect the most people and things that could occur sooner.

Yeah, screw our kids!

There's some phrase about 'short term gain...' but I'm too lazy to look it up.

[ASUG8]

Fine. But Administrations only have 4 year cycles and the complete destruction of the environment, even if we wanted to do it, would take a lot longer than the collapse of our country financially. My ranking would begin with things that affect the most people and things that could occur sooner.

Yeah, screw our kids!

There's some phrase about 'short term gain...' but I'm too lazy to look it up.

I'm pretty sure your kids are getting screwed over right now financially.

[kalm]

Yeah, screw our kids!

There's some phrase about 'short term gain...' but I'm too lazy to look it up.

I'm pretty sure your kids are getting screwed over right now financially.

True! But theres more to life than finances

[ASUG8]

I'm pretty sure your kids are getting screwed over right now financially.

True! But theres more to life than finances

Finances buy me football tickets and beer, so call me a fan.

[CAA Flagship]

I'm pretty sure your kids are getting screwed over right now financially.

True! But theres more to life than finances

The Chinese have a terrible record regarding the environment.

I'm not saying that we need to ignore the environment, or social issues. We can multi-task, right? I'm just saying that the most important issue is the one that affects the most people and the one that has a shorter shelf life. That is the issue that needs the most attention. Once solved, the list gets a makeover and the most important issues of the ones that are left move to the top, whatever they may be.
Compare today to the mid-90's. Energy was not a huge issue (fuel prices still low). The Economy was not a huge issue (tech boom). War was not a huge issue (OBL was just some nut living far away). SS and Medicare problems had not surfaces yet. So what the hell was Clinton doing with social issues? The road was paved for those to rise to the top of the list.

[Chizzang]

True! But theres more to life than finances

The Chinese have a terrible record regarding the environment.

I'm not saying that we need to ignore the environment, or social issues. We can multi-task, right? I'm just saying that the most important issue is the one that affects the most people and the one that has a shorter shelf life. That is the issue that needs the most attention. Once solved, the list gets a makeover and the most important issues of the ones that are left move to the top, whatever they may be.
Compare today to the mid-90's. Energy was not a huge issue (fuel prices still low). The Economy was not a huge issue (tech boom). War was not a huge issue (OBL was just some nut living far away). SS and Medicare problems had not surfaces yet. So what the hell was Clinton doing with social issues? The road was paved for those to rise to the top of the list.

Okay
I've been reading you posts and trying to figure out why you're so sure that everybody who doesn't think like you about the state of the economy is wrong "and putting on fancy clothes while exiting a burning house"

First of all
Just exactly how many people do you think are unemployed..?
My guess is somewhere around 15% in real numbers - of those - easily one third don't actually want a job
So we're looking at 10% in real terms

so somewhere around 85% of Americans get up and go to work everyday
They pick up their groceries, put gas in their car and do all the things that busy working people do...
approximately 25% of those same folks are making less money than they were during the boom a few years back another 25% are making the same - but - as we all know things are more expensive so it feels like less

But people adjust
we accept
and move on

So you ask those 85% how is everything..?
and they say: Well I guess it's okay - we've had to make some household budget adjustments but we're fine

And then they see us throw some unnamed billions at a jobs program
and they see bankers getting historically record breaking bonus checks
and wall street booming
The big 3 Oil companies posting 375 million dollar a day profits (2011)
while receiving 47 billion a year in Federal subsidies

And they feel completely disconnected from the situation - like a handicapped child in a wheelchair watching the other kids play on the playground - eventually you stop watching and go on with your life as an observer

so the election rolls around
and some self inflated high horse in a $2500 suit tells you what to be outraged about while he is on the worlds greatest pension plan and is a part of the worlds most one sided Union deal (he's a Senator) and gets his salary for the rest of his life... He keeps all his money in the islands (but he loves America)

At some point all you have left are social issues because they are all that's left that makes any sense

[ASUG8]

The Chinese have a terrible record regarding the environment.

I'm not saying that we need to ignore the environment, or social issues. We can multi-task, right? I'm just saying that the most important issue is the one that affects the most people and the one that has a shorter shelf life. That is the issue that needs the most attention. Once solved, the list gets a makeover and the most important issues of the ones that are left move to the top, whatever they may be.
Compare today to the mid-90's. Energy was not a huge issue (fuel prices still low). The Economy was not a huge issue (tech boom). War was not a huge issue (OBL was just some nut living far away). SS and Medicare problems had not surfaces yet. So what the hell was Clinton doing with social issues? The road was paved for those to rise to the top of the list.

Okay
I've been reading you posts and trying to figure out why you're so sure that everybody who doesn't think like you about the state of the economy is wrong "and putting on fancy clothes while exiting a burning house"

First of all
Just exactly how many people do you think are unemployed..?
My guess is somewhere around 15% in real numbers - of those - easily one third don't actually want a job
So we're looking at 10% in real terms

so somewhere around 85% of Americans get up and go to work everyday
They pick up their groceries, put gas in their car and do all the things that busy working people do...
approximately 25% of those same folks are making less money than they were during the boom a few years back another 25% are making the same - but - as we all know things are more expensive so it feels like less

But people adjust
we accept
and move on

So you ask those 85% how is everything..?
and they say: Well I guess it's okay - we've had to make some household budget adjustments but we're fine

And then they see us throw some unnamed billions at a jobs program
and they see bankers getting historically record breaking bonus checks
and wall street booming
The big 3 Oil companies posting 375 million dollar a day profits (2011)
while receiving 47 billion a year in Federal subsidies

And they feel completely disconnected from the situation - like a handicapped child in a wheelchair watching the other kids play on the playground - eventually you stop watching and go on with your life as an observer

so the election rolls around
and some self inflated high horse in a $2500 suit tells you what to be outraged about while he is on the worlds greatest pension plan and is a part of the worlds most one sided Union deal (he's a Senator) and gets his salary for the rest of his life... He keeps all his money in the islands (but he loves America)

At some point all you have left are social issues because they are all that's left that makes any sense

Good points Cleets

Thing is, not enough people are outraged about career politicians, the impact of PAC's and lobbyists, and the decidedly unfair pensions/medical plans that these guys get. We sit idly by watching it all happen - the only thing that I've seen in recent memory is Congress putting up some roadblocks to insider trading for themselves. It's a broken system, and those in power don't would rather legislate to the masses what the lobbyists and PAC's are "suggesting" they legislate. I don't know how you raise awareness to get people angry enough to demand change.....

[kalm]

Okay
I've been reading you posts and trying to figure out why you're so sure that everybody who doesn't think like you about the state of the economy is wrong "and putting on fancy clothes while exiting a burning house"

First of all
Just exactly how many people do you think are unemployed..?
My guess is somewhere around 15% in real numbers - of those - easily one third don't actually want a job
So we're looking at 10% in real terms

so somewhere around 85% of Americans get up and go to work everyday
They pick up their groceries, put gas in their car and do all the things that busy working people do...
approximately 25% of those same folks are making less money than they were during the boom a few years back another 25% are making the same - but - as we all know things are more expensive so it feels like less

But people adjust
we accept
and move on

So you ask those 85% how is everything..?
and they say: Well I guess it's okay - we've had to make some household budget adjustments but we're fine

And then they see us throw some unnamed billions at a jobs program
and they see bankers getting historically record breaking bonus checks
and wall street booming
The big 3 Oil companies posting 375 million dollar a day profits (2011)
while receiving 47 billion a year in Federal subsidies

And they feel completely disconnected from the situation - like a handicapped child in a wheelchair watching the other kids play on the playground - eventually you stop watching and go on with your life as an observer

so the election rolls around
and some self inflated high horse in a $2500 suit tells you what to be outraged about while he is on the worlds greatest pension plan and is a part of the worlds most one sided Union deal (he's a Senator) and gets his salary for the rest of his life... He keeps all his money in the islands (but he loves America)

At some point all you have left are social issues because they are all that's left that makes any sense

Good points Cleets

Thing is, not enough people are outraged about career politicians, the impact of PAC's and lobbyists, and the decidedly unfair pensions/medical plans that these guys get. We sit idly by watching it all happen - the only thing that I've seen in recent memory is Congress putting up some roadblocks to insider trading for themselves. It's a broken system, and those in power don't would rather legislate to the masses what the lobbyists and PAC's are "suggesting" they legislate. I don't know how you raise awareness to get people angry enough to demand change.....

At the above two posts.

[CAA Flagship]

Okay
I've been reading you posts and trying to figure out why you're so sure that everybody who doesn't think like you about the state of the economy is wrong "and putting on fancy clothes while exiting a burning house"

First of all
Just exactly how many people do you think are unemployed..?
My guess is somewhere around 15% in real numbers - of those - easily one third don't actually want a job
So we're looking at 10% in real terms

so somewhere around 85% of Americans get up and go to work everyday
They pick up their groceries, put gas in their car and do all the things that busy working people do...
approximately 25% of those same folks are making less money than they were during the boom a few years back another 25% are making the same - but - as we all know things are more expensive so it feels like less

But people adjust
we accept
and move on

So you ask those 85% how is everything..?
and they say: Well I guess it's okay - we've had to make some household budget adjustments but we're fine

And then they see us throw some unnamed billions at a jobs program
and they see bankers getting historically record breaking bonus checks
and wall street booming
The big 3 Oil companies posting 375 million dollar a day profits (2011)
while receiving 47 billion a year in Federal subsidies

And they feel completely disconnected from the situation - like a handicapped child in a wheelchair watching the other kids play on the playground - eventually you stop watching and go on with your life as an observer

so the election rolls around
and some self inflated high horse in a $2500 suit tells you what to be outraged about while he is on the worlds greatest pension plan and is a part of the worlds most one sided Union deal (he's a Senator) and gets his salary for the rest of his life... He keeps all his money in the islands (but he loves America)

At some point all you have left are social issues because they are all that's left that makes any sense

First, my joke about the burning house wasn't about "fancy" clothes. It was about not focusing on the main problem. Get the hell out of the house. Don't stop to change clothes, comb your hair, grab your porn, etc.

I'm OK with those rough numbers you threw out there. Yes adjustments are required and are done for the most part by many Americans. But if less money is earned, the gov gets less revenue. So now what? Taxes get raised. That means Americans have even less money. So the lower pay and higher taxes get added to higher cost of fuel, food, etc. More "adjustments" are required by Americans.

I pointed out, somewhere , about how the speed of money circulation affects government revenue totals, and that it is a far greater influence than what can be gained by raising taxes. I'm saying that the Admin needs to work on that circulation of money. In addition, why do Americans have to make adjustments, yet the government does not have to? If I need to curb my spending to match the reduced revenue, why can't the government?

As I said earlier, Clinton squandered opportunities at a time when social issues should have been higher on the priority list. Obama is working on a list that is much different. But he does not seem to understand that, and the people that put him there don't seem to understand that either. I'm not taking a side on the social issues here. I'm just saying that there are bigger fish to fry. The "small" fish can be fried at the same time as long as the "bigger" fish are cooking on one of the other burners.

[expandspanos]

Economy/unemployment -

The economy sucks because of subsidies given to companies that don't need them, and "free trade agreements such as NAFTA, TAFTA, AFTA, BFTA, CAFTA, CFTA, CTPA, ILFTA, JFTA,UKFTA, OFTA, PTPA, SFTA.

"Free Trade" means outsourcing, because without tarrifs there is no incentive to produce goods within American borders.

Government spending-

Time to curtail the ridiculous military budget, time to cut most of the other superfluous government departments, starting with Homeland Security.

Taxation-

Taxes always create a larger government, which I think most of us agree is not a good thing, and is the enemy to a free market.

Wars/world police-

Time to withdraw troops from all foreign countries, and only use our military if we are attacked, and if it is sanction by congress- on 9/11 Saudi Arabia supposedly attacked us, so the last 10 years have been illegal, unsanctioned wars of aggression.

End all wars IMMEDIATELY and bring troops home IMMEDIATELY. Send a formal letter of apology to the Iraqi, Afghanistani, Libyan, Somalian, and Pakistani people.

Put sanctions on Israel until the West Bank and Gaza Strip are liberated, and Immediately remove Dual-Israeli passport holders from government.

Education-

The DOE doesn't seem to serve a legitimate purpose to me. I might actually be in favor of privatizing all educational facilities- so the ones that are good will remain, and the public brainwash facilities will go by the wayside.

Kids learn more from the internet than they do public schools- Our public schools are still teaching that "Columbus was the first European to discover America" when the vikings did far earlier L'anse Aux Meadows.

The public school system is essentially a government indoctrination system.

Healthcare -

I'm going against my own grain here, but I feel healthcare is a basic human right, the privatization of healthcare has lead to sky-high costs for consumers (I doubt a government run healthcare system would be much better though), and the "health insurance" scam has further ripped off Americans. It's a very complicated dilemma, and I don't have a solution for it.

SS/Medicare-

Social Security is a good program, but at the current rate of government spending, will need to be axed to further our illegal, overseas wars.

Immigration -

Seal the borders, no amnesty, make people apply for American citizenship and wait in line, no exceptions.

Women's rights

They have their rights, quit complaining. a Non-issue

Gay rights

Ditto.. a non issue. Quit making a big deal about it.

Gun control

ZERO restrictions on guns and arms should be made on American citizens. There is no private citizen who could ever challenge the US military.. The only reason for "gun control" is to make the American people into defenseless slaves.

The founding fathers were very clear on the purpose of a "well armed citizenry"- to protect against a corrupted government attempting to take away their freedoms.

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

I'll give this a stab:

- Economy
- Gov spending
- Taxation
- SS/Medicare
- Healthcare
- Immigration
- Wars/world police
- Education
- Women's rights
- Gay rights
- Gun control

[death dealer]

Wow...very little love for the environment.

The environment and economics trump all other issues and inform each other. For shame if you don't get that.

This. all you dumbasses are worried about butt pirates getting married (which is great and all), and not murdering babies, and so on. Meanwhile, Rome is burning. We are fucking up our home and one side's answer is to stick their heads up their asses and deny it. The other side spends all their energy fostering class warfare, legalizing weed (which is great and all), and making sure all the turd burglars can get hitched (which shouldn't even be a freaking issue). Nobody gives a shit about the environment. Obama has been a horrible advocate for the planet. The fucking polar ice caps are melting you mothefuckers!!!

[death dealer]

I will second chizzang's perspective of not having a revenue issue, but a spending issue. BUT, if you are going to spend taxpayer's money, spend it on things that will actually HELP americans. Jobs, education, college financial aid, community and technical colleges, trade schools, small businesses and quit spending so much on wars and the military industrial complex. Oh and stay the hell out of our bedrooms and nether areas.

This too. Spend as if you are investing to get a return. Human capital is priceless. Good post PC.

[death dealer]

Okay
I've been reading you posts and trying to figure out why you're so sure that everybody who doesn't think like you about the state of the economy is wrong "and putting on fancy clothes while exiting a burning house"

First of all
Just exactly how many people do you think are unemployed..?
My guess is somewhere around 15% in real numbers - of those - easily one third don't actually want a job
So we're looking at 10% in real terms

so somewhere around 85% of Americans get up and go to work everyday
They pick up their groceries, put gas in their car and do all the things that busy working people do...
approximately 25% of those same folks are making less money than they were during the boom a few years back another 25% are making the same - but - as we all know things are more expensive so it feels like less

But people adjust
we accept
and move on

So you ask those 85% how is everything..?
and they say: Well I guess it's okay - we've had to make some household budget adjustments but we're fine

And then they see us throw some unnamed billions at a jobs program
and they see bankers getting historically record breaking bonus checks
and wall street booming
The big 3 Oil companies posting 375 million dollar a day profits (2011)
while receiving 47 billion a year in Federal subsidies

And they feel completely disconnected from the situation - like a handicapped child in a wheelchair watching the other kids play on the playground - eventually you stop watching and go on with your life as an observer

so the election rolls around
and some self inflated high horse in a $2500 suit tells you what to be outraged about while he is on the worlds greatest pension plan and is a part of the worlds most one sided Union deal (he's a Senator) and gets his salary for the rest of his life... He keeps all his money in the islands (but he loves America)

At some point all you have left are social issues because they are all that's left that makes any sense

Good points Cleets

Thing is, not enough people are outraged about career politicians, the impact of PAC's and lobbyists, and the decidedly unfair pensions/medical plans that these guys get. We sit idly by watching it all happen - the only thing that I've seen in recent memory is Congress putting up some roadblocks to insider trading for themselves. It's a broken system, and those in power don't would rather legislate to the masses what the lobbyists and PAC's are "suggesting" they legislate. I don't know how you raise awareness to get people angry enough to demand change.....

go read one of the articles out there about Elizabeth Warren and the Banking Committee. It is a snapshot of what is inherently broken in our system.

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

Wow...very little love for the environment.

The environment and economics trump all other issues and inform each other. For shame if you don't get that.

This. all you dumbasses are worried about butt pirates getting married (which is great and all), and not murdering babies, and so on. Meanwhile, Rome is burning. We are **** up our home and one side's answer is to stick their heads up their asses and deny it. The other side spends all their energy fostering class warfare, legalizing weed (which is great and all), and making sure all the turd burglars can get hitched (which shouldn't even be a freaking issue). Nobody gives a **** about the environment. Obama has been a horrible advocate for the planet. The **** polar ice caps are melting you mothefuckers!!!

You think 'Man' is the sole reason for environmental changes.

The earth has been much warmer throughout its own history. Weather and environmental changes go in cycles and if you think 'Man' is totally at fault for this then go ahead and keep thinking it. Thinking you are right doen't mean you are.

[Col Hogan]

This. all you dumbasses are worried about butt pirates getting married (which is great and all), and not murdering babies, and so on. Meanwhile, Rome is burning. We are **** up our home and one side's answer is to stick their heads up their asses and deny it. The other side spends all their energy fostering class warfare, legalizing weed (which is great and all), and making sure all the turd burglars can get hitched (which shouldn't even be a freaking issue). Nobody gives a **** about the environment. Obama has been a horrible advocate for the planet. The **** polar ice caps are melting you mothefuckers!!!

You think 'Man' is the sole reason for environmental changes.

The earth has been much warmer throughout its own history. Weather and environmental changes go in cycles and if you think 'Man' is totally at fault for this then go ahead and keep thinking it. Thinking you are right doen't mean you are.

Exactly....

I do not deny that climate change, or global warming, or what ever is today's euphonium, is taking place...but if you've ever read about things like the "Little Ice Age" back in the 1200-1500 AD range, you realize just how our little marble in the sky goes through these fluctuations...

[houndawg]

This. all you dumbasses are worried about butt pirates getting married (which is great and all), and not murdering babies, and so on. Meanwhile, Rome is burning. We are **** up our home and one side's answer is to stick their heads up their asses and deny it. The other side spends all their energy fostering class warfare, legalizing weed (which is great and all), and making sure all the turd burglars can get hitched (which shouldn't even be a freaking issue). Nobody gives a **** about the environment. Obama has been a horrible advocate for the planet. The **** polar ice caps are melting you mothefuckers!!!

You think 'Man' is the sole reason for environmental changes.

The earth has been much warmer throughout its own history. Weather and environmental changes go in cycles and if you think 'Man' is totally at fault for this then go ahead and keep thinking it. Thinking you are right doen't mean you are.

Nobody thinks that man is the sole reason for environmental change. Everybody understands that eight billion people magnify these changes.

[houndawg]

1. Carrying capacity of planet Earth

2-10. Details

[death dealer]

This. all you dumbasses are worried about butt pirates getting married (which is great and all), and not murdering babies, and so on. Meanwhile, Rome is burning. We are **** up our home and one side's answer is to stick their heads up their asses and deny it. The other side spends all their energy fostering class warfare, legalizing weed (which is great and all), and making sure all the turd burglars can get hitched (which shouldn't even be a freaking issue). Nobody gives a **** about the environment. Obama has been a horrible advocate for the planet. The **** polar ice caps are melting you mothefuckers!!!

You think 'Man' is the sole reason for environmental changes.

The earth has been much warmer throughout its own history. Weather and environmental changes go in cycles and if you think 'Man' is totally at fault for this then go ahead and keep thinking it. Thinking you are right doen't mean you are.

And ignoring the data while throwing out smoke screens is irresponsible. We all know that the earth goes through these cycles. But every other one has been very gradual. This one is gaining a head of steam and rolling pretty quickly comparatively. In no other cycle have we had a group of organisms pulling massive amounts of carbon out of the ground and pumping it into the atmosphere. No one in the scientific community researching this has said mankind caused it. We're just apparently dedicated to the purpose of making this go round one to remember! Yay us!

And why is the environment such a one trick pony for most the hannity-limbaughs? Do you go outside? We're fucking up this place. Never mind climate change, we are raping the land, we're a couple of generations away from draining all the oil out of the ground, and women keep spewing little consumers/polluters out as if the vaginas of the world were all clown cars. Roads, roads, and more roads. More and more people, driving more and more cars, to more and more best buys, to buy more and more crap to fill their houses in the new neighborhood over where they finally filled in that useless wetland.

Saying it ain't so over and over while ignoring crdible data doesn't make you right either. That big bright light isn't Christ's second coming, it's a freaking huge freight train of shit about to hit the planetary fan.

[death dealer]

And as I said in another thread, nobody cares, least of all Obama. He has done absolutely fucking crap for the environment. And why? Does he hate fresh air and polar bears? Nah. It just isn't sexy enough, and its hard. It's so much easier to stir up the stupid drooling masses (at least the ones on my side) by fomenting class hate, fear mongering over entitlement loss, pointing out how much worse the other guy before him was. "Shit man, don't you read the polls. That damn environmental shit didn't even make David Letterman's Top Ten List the night I was on there. Trust me. I'll get to it. Four years is a long time. "


He's just another bought and paid for asshole.

[JohnStOnge]

Yes this will be long so if you don't like that don't read it. If all you want to do is see the ranking they are in bold blue font. I will say that going through the listed issues really reminded me of how venal a herd of cattle the United States population has become.

Really what it all comes down to for me is moving away from or towards strictly adhering to the original understanding of the Constitution including returning to a circumstance whereby the Federal Government only has those powers explicitly and unambiguously granted to it. Or as a practical matter at least limiting the rate at which we move away from that. Also abortion is big to me but if we stuck to the Constitution States would be allowed to prohibit it. However, I'll try to rank the categories given.

SS/Medicare Eliminate them. Federal government is not really authorized to have them.

Government spending Would be a lot less if we really followed the Constitution.

Taxation A shame the Constitution was legitimately amended to allow an income tax but still would be much lower if Constitution really followed.

Gun control I'm not a big gun person but this one is important because of principle. The Constitution clearly provides for a right to bear arms. And it doesn't say it has to be in the context of a militia. It cites a militia as a reason for the right. Not a condition of it. It's not even limited to guns. It was clearly talking about military "arms." If we don't want that then we should Amend the Constitution. We shouldn't be "interpreting" the right away because "there's a good reason for it." As it is, people shouldn't have to be registering, etc., in order to exercise a right that is clearly and unambiguously stated.

Womens "rights" I suppose that's mostly abortion. Women should have the same rights as men. But neither should have the right to have another individual who is innocent killed. If you're talking about having government pay for contraception that's not a right. And saying someone else can't choose not to hire you, not to promote you, etc., for any reason they want (including sexism) is taking someone ELSE'S right to make their own choices with respect to who they will engage in an economic exchange with away. The idea that we have a "right" to force someone else to associate with us, though prevalent, is ridiculous.

Homosexual "rights" Homosexuals already have the same rights as everybody else. See "womens' rights" above. Nobody has a legitimate right to force other people to accept them, recognize their unions as having a certain status, etc.

Immigration Controlling immigration is legitimate Federal government responsibility and Federal government isn't doing its job in that regard as it's largely looking the other way while illegal immigrates flood into the country. Then it's rewarding them for doing that, largely with programs not really authorized by the Constitution.

Wars/world police Constantly getting involved in wars that are not Constitutionally authorized because Congress didn't declare war by playing semantic games and calling it something else. Also, Constitution doesn't really authorize having a Federal standing army. If we want one we should Amend the document to provide for one. Again, I'm talking about making an honest effort to stick to how those at a given time generally understood Constitutional language they ratified. And they didn't want a standing army.

Education and Healthcare Two things the Federal government shouldn't be involved in at all. Not really authorized by the Constitution.

Economy and jobs it is really, really sad that we think the Federal government should be responsible for the economy and whether we have a job or not. The federal government should stick to the tasks specifically and explicitly assigned it in the Constitution and otherwise stay out of the way. This country wasn't founded for the purpose of achieving the best economy. It was not founded for the purpose of trying to make sure everybody has a job. The concept was to establish that level of government minimally necessary and otherwise allow people Liberty.

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

You think 'Man' is the sole reason for environmental changes.

The earth has been much warmer throughout its own history. Weather and environmental changes go in cycles and if you think 'Man' is totally at fault for this then go ahead and keep thinking it. Thinking you are right doen't mean you are.

Nobody thinks that man is the sole reason for environmental change. Everybody understands that eight billion people magnify these changes.

houndawg....I agree with your statement.

8 billion and rising is unsustainable in the future. What will happen with 10....15...20 billion. I'm 43 now and in another 40 yrs who knows where the pop will be.

Man, is more likely to 'strip' the earth of resources with it own huge population.

Little ol' me...I try to do my part by walking to work instead of driving, turning off lights on being used....but I guess I'm wasting energy using this computer....

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

And as I said in another thread, nobody cares, least of all Obama. He has done absolutely **** crap for the environment. And why? Does he hate fresh air and polar bears? Nah. It just isn't sexy enough, and its hard. It's so much easier to stir up the stupid drooling masses (at least the ones on my side) by fomenting class hate, fear mongering over entitlement loss, pointing out how much worse the other guy before him was. "**** man, don't you read the polls. That damn environmental **** didn't even make David Letterman's Top Ten List the night I was on there. Trust me. I'll get to it. Four years is a long time. "


He's just another bought and paid for asshole.

You want 'fresh air' and not many people to bother you?

Come to NW MN. Fresh air and plenty of bugs.