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travelinman67 wrote:(7) Engaging in religious instruction, conducting worship services, providing instruction as part of a program that includes mandatory religious instruction or worship, constructing or operating facilities devoted to religious instruction or worship, maintaining facilities primarily or inherently devoted to religious instruction or worship, or engaging in any form of religious proselytization.


OBAMA ADMIN + DEMOCRAT CONGRESS = FASCIST POLICIES

What's remarkable is that you or any American would attempt to defend these unprincipled power grabs.

Those who position themselves in favor of unconstitutional, rights usurping legislation and policies, in my eyes belie a politics not beneficial to the country as a whole, but rather do so for personal gratification and gain. Bush did it to compensate for his incompetence as a commander, Obama's doing it to consolidate Party strength. Both are detestable. And I can earnestly declare that, because in MY AMERICA, any removal of rights is an attack on MY COUNTRY.
Whoa!

Are you sure about this T-man? If this is true, wouldn't #7 on that list mean that a person won't be allowed to attend church while a member of the organization?

Paul Watson and Alex Jones have a lot of good information, but they are prone to hyperbole and misconstruing information. You have to be careful with them.
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Pwns wrote:
travelinman67 wrote:(7) Engaging in religious instruction, conducting worship services, providing instruction as part of a program that includes mandatory religious instruction or worship, constructing or operating facilities devoted to religious instruction or worship, maintaining facilities primarily or inherently devoted to religious instruction or worship, or engaging in any form of religious proselytization.


OBAMA ADMIN + DEMOCRAT CONGRESS = FASCIST POLICIES

What's remarkable is that you or any American would attempt to defend these unprincipled power grabs.

Those who position themselves in favor of unconstitutional, rights usurping legislation and policies, in my eyes belie a politics not beneficial to the country as a whole, but rather do so for personal gratification and gain. Bush did it to compensate for his incompetence as a commander, Obama's doing it to consolidate Party strength. Both are detestable. And I can earnestly declare that, because in MY AMERICA, any removal of rights is an attack on MY COUNTRY.
Whoa!

Are you sure about this T-man? If this is true, wouldn't #7 on that list mean that a person won't be allowed to attend church while a member of the organization?

Paul Watson and Alex Jones have a lot of good information, but they are prone to hyperbole and misconstruing information. You have to be careful with them.
The original National and Community Service Act of 1990 had provisions excluding participation of "corporations" who participate in political or religious activities, but not "participants"...see Section 132 in the original act linked below...

http://www.csc.ca.gov/aboutus/documents/ncsa1990.pdf

...the House version, submitted on March 18, 2009, with only one hour of debate allowed by Speaker Pelosi, was submitted by none other than RINO traitor Rep. Virginia Foxx R-NC, and subsequently read into the Congressional Record by with the following changes to Section 125...

http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin ... 009_record
‘‘SEC. 125. PROHIBITED ACTIVITIES AND INELIGIBLE
ORGANIZATIONS.
‘‘(a) PROHIBITED ACTIVITIES.—A participant
in an approved national service position
under this subtitle may not engage in the
following activities:
‘‘(1) Attempting to influence legislation.
‘‘(2) Organizing or engaging in protests, petitions,
boycotts, or strikes.
‘‘(3) Assisting, promoting, or deterring
union organizing.
‘‘(4) Impairing existing contracts for services
or collective bargaining agreements.
‘‘(5) Engaging in partisan political activities,
or other activities designed to influence
the outcome of an election to any public office.
‘‘(6) Participating in, or endorsing, events
or activities that are likely to include advocacy
for or against political parties, political
platforms, political candidates, proposed legislation,
or elected officials.
‘‘(7) Engaging in religious instruction, conducting
worship services, providing instruction
as part of a program that includes mandatory
religious instruction or worship, constructing
or operating facilities devoted to
religious instruction or worship, maintaining
facilities primarily or inherently devoted
to religious instruction or worship, or engaging
in any form of religious proselytization.
‘‘(8) Providing a direct benefit to—
‘‘(A) a business organized for profit;
‘‘(B) a labor organization;
‘‘(C) a partisan political organization;
‘‘(D) a nonprofit organization that fails to
comply with the restrictions contained in
section 501(c)(3) of the Internal Revenue Code
of 1986 except that nothing in this section
shall be construed to prevent participants
from engaging in advocacy activities undertaken
at their own initiative; and
‘‘(E) an organization engaged in the religious
activities described in paragraph (7),
unless Corporation assistance is not used to
support those religious activities.
‘‘(9) Conducting a voter registration drive
or using Corporation funds to conduct a
voter registration drive.
‘‘(10) Such other activities as the Corporation
may prohibit.
Furthermore, to exacerbate this vile hijacking of Constitutional Rights...RINO Foxx lied about this section being a "recommit" of existing code chaptered by the National and Community Service Act...(this is also included on page H3605 linked above)...
Ms. FOXX. Madam Speaker, this motion
to recommit codifies current regulations
with regard to activities and
organizations ineligible for grants from
the Corporation for National and Community
Service and AmeriCorps volunteers.
The activities include lobbying, protesting,
union organizing, engaging in
partisan political activities or religious
instruction, conducting voter
registration, or providing direct benefits
to for-profit businesses, labor
unions or political parties.
Here's the original text from Section 125, National and Community Service Act...(again, linked at the beginning of this post...)
SEC. 125. [42 U.S.C. 12575] Training and technical assistance
(a) Training programs
The Corporation may conduct, directly or by grant or contract, appropriate training programs
regarding national service in order to--
(1) improve the ability of national service programs assisted under section 12571 of this title to
meet human, educational, environmental, or public safety needs in communities--
(A) where services are needed most; and
(B) where programs do not exist, or are too limited to meet community needs, as of the date on
which the Corporation makes the grant or enters into the contract;
(2) promote leadership development in such programs;
(3) improve the instructional and programmatic quality of such programs to build an ethic of civic
responsibility;
(4) develop the management and budgetary skills of program operators;
(5) provide for or improve the training provided to the participants in such programs; and
(6) encourage national service programs to adhere to risk management procedures, including the
training of participants in appropriate risk management practices.
(b) Technical assistance
To the extent appropriate and necessary, the Corporation shall make technical assistance available
to States, Indian tribes, labor organizations, organizations operated by young adults, organizations
serving economically disadvantaged individuals, and other entities described in section 12571 of this
title that desire--
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provided under such section.
Please, anyone...double check these links to verify...

Either the online data is incorrect, or it seems to me some shenanigans are occurring with this bill...
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travelinman67 wrote:Please, anyone...double check these links to verify...

Either the online data is incorrect, or it seems to me some shenanigans are occurring with this bill...
Tman, I double checked em all out and came up with this:
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OBAMA ADMIN + DEMOCRAT CONGRESS = FASCIST POLICIES

What's remarkable is that you or any American would attempt to defend these unprincipled power grabs.

Those who position themselves in favor of unconstitutional, rights usurping legislation and policies, in my eyes belie a politics not beneficial to the country as a whole, but rather do so for personal gratification and gain. Bush did it to compensate for his incompetence as a commander, Obama's doing it to consolidate Party strength. Both are detestable. And I can earnestly declare that, because in MY AMERICA, any removal of rights is an attack on MY COUNTRY.
... so in other words... it's entirely a connection made in your head. fair enough... but wholly without merit

"you see it would be this mat... and it would have these different conclusions... and you could 'jump' to them"...

the presumption is hilarious... and a little disturbed...
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Tman,
You're out of control, bud. This is what a lifetime of Conkiness gets you - a mountain of hate for people who don't agree with your shiat?

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Cap'n Cat wrote:Tman,
You're out of control, bud. This is what a lifetime of Conkiness gets you - a mountain of hate for people who don't agree with your shiat?

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Hey dick, answer your phone. Matt Hollywood and Joel Gion are on the Massacre Tour. :twisted:
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TwinTownBisonFan wrote:
OBAMA ADMIN + DEMOCRAT CONGRESS = FASCIST POLICIES

What's remarkable is that you or any American would attempt to defend these unprincipled power grabs.

Those who position themselves in favor of unconstitutional, rights usurping legislation and policies, in my eyes belie a politics not beneficial to the country as a whole, but rather do so for personal gratification and gain. Bush did it to compensate for his incompetence as a commander, Obama's doing it to consolidate Party strength. Both are detestable. And I can earnestly declare that, because in MY AMERICA, any removal of rights is an attack on MY COUNTRY.
... so in other words... it's entirely a connection made in your head. fair enough... but wholly without merit

"you see it would be this mat... and it would have these different conclusions... and you could 'jump' to them"...

the presumption is hilarious... and a little disturbed...
Which is, a conclusion you've reached entirely in your head. Being a semi-pro Democrat operative I hope you'll understand if I ignore your opinion.
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travelinman67 wrote:
TwinTownBisonFan wrote:
... so in other words... it's entirely a connection made in your head. fair enough... but wholly without merit

"you see it would be this mat... and it would have these different conclusions... and you could 'jump' to them"...

the presumption is hilarious... and a little disturbed...
Which is, a conclusion you've reached entirely in your head. Being a semi-pro Democrat operative I hope you'll understand if I ignore your opinion.
link? anything to support the claim?
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TwinTownBisonFan wrote:
travelinman67 wrote:
Which is, a conclusion you've reached entirely in your head. Being a semi-pro Democrat operative I hope you'll understand if I ignore your opinion.
link? anything to support the claim?
Sucks to be a Democrat right now...huh? :lol:

The Conks have the Obama Administration and Preposterous Pelosi's Three Ring Circuis by the balls...and all Dem apologists can do is squirm, attack, obfuscate, divert, and outright lie to cover up their party's incompetence...

...and it's only going to get worse...

When the dust settles, as I've said before...this will have become the Attorney Wealth Accumulation Act of 2009...with the constitutional law lawyers bitch slapping the Dem's back into the 19th Century...

BTW...you've never responded to the posted text of HR1388 which directly contradicts your statements...

...but that's ok...I understand how hard things must be for your right now... :lol:
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travelinman67 wrote:
TwinTownBisonFan wrote:
link? anything to support the claim?
Sucks to be a Democrat right now...huh? :lol:

The Conks have the Obama Administration and Preposterous Pelosi's Three Ring Circuis by the balls...and all Dem apologists can do is squirm, attack, obfuscate, divert, and outright lie to cover up their party's incompetence...

...and it's only going to get worse...

When the dust settles, as I've said before...this will have become the Attorney Wealth Accumulation Act of 2009...with the constitutional law lawyers bitch slapping the Dem's back into the 19th Century...

BTW...you've never responded to the posted text of HR1388 which directly contradicts your statements...

...but that's ok...I understand how hard things must be for your right now... :lol:
1. the text of the bill reads very similarly to the restrictions placed on military personnel...

2. as for the rest of it... wow.

that was SE level confusing...
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TwinTownBisonFan wrote:
travelinman67 wrote:
Sucks to be a Democrat right now...huh? :lol:

The Conks have the Obama Administration and Preposterous Pelosi's Three Ring Circuis by the balls...and all Dem apologists can do is squirm, attack, obfuscate, divert, and outright lie to cover up their party's incompetence...

...and it's only going to get worse...

When the dust settles, as I've said before...this will have become the Attorney Wealth Accumulation Act of 2009...with the constitutional law lawyers bitch slapping the Dem's back into the 19th Century...

BTW...you've never responded to the posted text of HR1388 which directly contradicts your statements...

...but that's ok...I understand how hard things must be for your right now... :lol:
1. the text of the bill reads very similarly to the restrictions placed on military personnel...

2. as for the rest of it... wow.

that was SE level confusing...
So, you're saying that Pelosi's only allowing one hour of debate after just releasing the text this past weekend even has YOU confused? Yet...the bill was passed, sent to the Senate, who in essence rubberstamped the House bill, then sent to Joint conference to "clean up" some loose language before it gets to Herr Obama?

But since your acknowledging "military personnel" like restrictions placed upon "National Civilian Corp" draftees...

...that sure sounds like tacit acknowledgement of Obama's intent to institute a Civilian Security Corp draft...

...though this one has a keen little "education" element where the draftees receive "awareness" education... :shock:

Like I said...

...sucks to be a Democrat right now... :lol:
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T-man, I see you skipped over all of my posts...
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dbackjon wrote:T-man, I see you skipped over all of my posts...
don't worry he "responded" to mine... by not really responding to them... and declaring some sort of victory... very... SE...
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TwinTownBisonFan wrote:
dbackjon wrote:T-man, I see you skipped over all of my posts...
don't worry he "responded" to mine... by not really responding to them... and declaring some sort of victory... very... SE...
Excuse me? I must have missed those posts where either you or dback refuted ANY of the Bill's language which I posted, citing the specific language enumerating 1st Amendment restrictions upon the enslaved youth.

The word, I repeated it several times, is "participant".

Not "organization".

Not "entity".

Not "corporation".

But "Participant".

That is Brown Shirt Hitler Youth policy personified.

You two are starting to sound like Cap'n in your political debate content (or lack thereof)...
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dbackjon wrote:So you are 100% opposed to any type of profiling, T-man?
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Obama is a fascist communist nazi.
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Skjellyfetti wrote:Obama is a fascist communist nazi.
Insert the word pinko ^ here.
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Obama's Fascism: Ruling By A Radical

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Ruling by a Radical

Wednesday, 25th March 2009
By Melanie Phillips

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I have written before – here and here -- about the way in which the First Community Organiser was assembling a permanent force from among the American public to act as a potential means of subverting the American Constitution. As I wrote here, straight after he was elected President Obama launched Organising for America, a formal infrastructure of activism built upon his campaign’s extensive database of supporters. This was ostensibly all about encouraging the public to tell Obama about the issues that concerned them. I wrote then:

But as I pointed out here, such use of community organisation also follows to the letter the template for social revolution laid down by Saul Alinsky, the Marxist ideologue and activist who set out in his book Rules for Radicals how capitalism would be overthrown by the mobilisation of the masses and the whipping up of their discontent. The strategy revolved around creating apparently moderate local organisations that would be manipulated by community organisers -- effectively deniable political agitators -- to foment grievance and dissent. Alinsky’s thinking permeates ACORN and other community groups that in the past were associated with or funded by Obama, and which push an agenda that is as coercive and corrupt as it is seditious. America’s First Community Organiser promised ACORN during his campaign that within his first 100 days in office he would invite them in to discuss how they could help him change America.

It seemed to me that such a street-force could be used to undermine the established constitutional order -- by creating pressure upon Congress, for example. And now, Organising for America has sent people out onto the streets as cheerleaders for Obama’s policies, as reported here in Birmingham, Alabama:

Volunteers fanned out across the Birmingham area and Alabama Saturday to pump up enthusiasm for President Barack Obama's budget proposal in much the same way they did to win over voters during the presidential campaign. About 30 volunteers in Birmingham canvassed shopping areas and other high-traffic locations to talk about the need for health care reform, an education overhaul and environmentally friendly energy development.

There was also his deeply troubling suggestion during his presidential campaign – which received virtually no attention – of creating a civilian national security force that would be as powerful, strong and well-funded as the half-trillion dollar Army, Marines, Navy and Air Force, although he subsequently refused to elaborate upon this distinctly chilling suggestion (and indeed, according to this report these remarks actually vanished from the published transcript of Obama’s speech).

A few days ago, however, the House of Representatives passed the Orwellian-sounding ‘Generations Invigorating Volunteerism and Education Act’ which provides for the introduction of mandatory national service (unspecified) for all young people. As Rick Moran noted on American Thinker:

The bill fulfills an Obama campaign promise to create a ‘civilian national security force.’ This legislation will not mandate or force our young people into national service - not yet anyway. But there is little doubt that we are being set up for just such an eventuality. ... Clearly, the goal of this program is to involve every single young person in America in a mandatory service program. The ‘Commission’ is a smokescreen. Of course they are going to recommend that there be mandatory service and they will lay out procedures on how to do it.

The legislation also refers to ‘uniforms’ that would be worn by the ‘volunteers’ and the ‘need’ for a ‘public service academy, a 4-year institution’ to ‘focus on training’ future ‘public sector leaders.’ The training, apparently, would occur at ‘campuses.’... The new bill specifically references the possibilities ‘if all individuals in the United States were expected to perform national service or were required to perform a certain amount of national service.’ Such new requirements perhaps, the legislation notes, ‘would strengthen the social fabric of the Nation and overcome civic challenges by bringing together people from diverse economic, ethnic, and educational backgrounds.’

No one, apparently with the exception of infants, would be excluded: ‘The means to develop awareness of national service and volunteer opportunities at a young age by creating, expanding, and promoting service options for elementary and secondary school students, through service learning or other means, and by raising awareness of existing incentives.’

And now just look at what some of the Organising for America cadres were saying on the streets of Birmingham, Alabama:

‘We're looking for supporters,’ said DeHaven of Hoover, one of the event's organizers. ‘We're not looking for a fight. That will come later, when we have an army.’


Two months in – and it’s all there, folks, for those with eyes to see.
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Tman,
Come up for air, buddy. Your ConkRushRegurgiHate will suffocate you. Don't take your frustations of being a displaced Conk on us. Take 'em out on a treadmill or a bodybag. We're your friends.

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Obamas Fascism:Expanded Americorp has stench of authoritaria

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Expanded Americorps has stench of authoritarianism
Examiner Editorial 3/26/09

http://www.sfexaminer.com/opinion/Expan ... 69152.html
With almost no public attention, both chambers of Congress in the past week advanced an alarming expansion of the Americorps national service plan, with the number of federally funded community-service jobs increasing from 75,000 to 250,000 at a cost of $5.7 billion. Lurking behind the feel-good rhetoric spouted by the measure’s advocates is a bill that upon closer inspection reveals multiple provisions that together create a strong odor of creepy authoritarianism.

The House passed the measure overwhelmingly, while only 14 senators had the sense and courage to vote against it on a key procedural motion. Every legislator who either voted for this bill or didn’t vote at all has some serious explaining to do.

To begin with, the legislation threatens the voluntary nature of Americorps by calling for consideration of “a workable, fair and reasonable mandatory service requirement for all able young people.” It anticipates the possibility of requiring “all individuals in the United States” to perform such service, including elementary school students.

The bill also summons up unsettling memories of World War II-era paramilitary groups by saying the new program should “combine the best practices of civilian service with the best aspects of military service,” while establishing “campuses” that serve as “operational headquarters,” complete with “superintendents” and “uniforms” for all participants. It allows for the elimination of all age restrictions in order to involve Americans at all stages of life. And, it calls for the creation of “a permanent cadre” in a “National Community Civilian Corps.”

But that’s not all. The bill also calls for “youth engagement zones” in which “service learning” is “a mandatory part of the curriculum in all of the secondary schools served by the local educational agency.”

This updated form of voluntary community service is also to be “integrated into the science, technology, engineering and mathematics curricula” at all levels of schooling. Sounds like a government curriculum for government-approved “service learning,” which is nothing less than indoctrination.
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Fusion Center Militia Report Shelved: Dept. Head Placed On L

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Missouri State Highway Patrol orders militia report shelved

Thursday, March 26, 2009
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JEFFERSON CITY, Mo. — Uproar over a law enforcement document linking various right-wing organizations with the modern militia movement prompted the Missouri State Highway Patrol on Wednesday to cease distribution of the report.

Outrage over the report had been brewing for weeks among conservatives who say they're unfairly singled out as possible criminals. On Wednesday morning, that anger spilled into the Capitol when Republican Lt. Gov. Peter Kinder called on Democratic Gov. Jay Nixon to place the head of the Department of Public Safety on administrative leave pending an investigation of the report.

The Feb. 20 document provides a history of the militia movement and a description of its members. It was intended only for law enforcement officers but has been leaked to the public.

The report says many militia members subscribe to fundamentalist Christian, anti-abortion or anti-immigration movements. It also says members are usually supporters of third-party presidential candidates, such as U.S. Rep. Ron Paul.

"This is about policy and procedure going forward," said Kinder spokesman Gary McElyea. "That answers no questions about what has been done thus far."

At a news conference Wednesday morning, Kinder said the report's damage had been done: "You cannot unring the bell."

Later Wednesday, the Republican-led House adopted an amendment to the Department of Public Safety's budget bill stating the agency "shall not spend state or federal funds for political profiling."

Describing the need for the budget restriction, Rep. Jim Guest, R-King City, said: "An attack on one's freedom is an attack on everyone's freedom."

The document was compiled by the Missouri Information Analysis Center, a "fusion" center in Jefferson City that combines resources from various federal and state agencies to collect intelligence to combat terrorism or criminal activity.

Elsewhere, fusion centers have come under fire from privacy advocates for what critics call domestic spying.

A congressional hearing on the issue by the House Homeland Security Intelligence Subcommittee is set for Wednesday.

The Missouri report says militia leaders exploit world events to increase membership. Among other topics, it mentions the theory that a North American Union will be formed to link Mexico, the U.S. and Canada to a common currency. The report says the Kansas City "smart port," a hub for trade to Mexico, is at risk for attack.

The report also reads: "It is not uncommon for militia members to display Constitutional Party, Campaign for Liberty, or Libertarian material."

Britt wrote a letter Monday to Paul and former presidential candidates Bob Barr and Chuck Baldwin, saying the report would be reissued without their names.

Kinder said the report is unfair because it mentions anti-abortion and anti-illegal immigration groups but does not include domestic terror groups associated with fundamentalist Muslims or extreme environmentalists.

Groups such as the Earth Liberation Front have burned sport utility vehicles and large homes or condos.

"Apparently it's more important to focus on pro-lifers," Kinder said. "Conservatives are part of the backbone of our country. We are not a threat."

Ferguson, with the Libertarian Party, said profiling either liberal or conservative groups has a chilling effect on political expression.
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dbackjon wrote:BTW - I looked for pre-Obama posts on the fusion centers from you - couldn't find any.

Why didn't you post this back in 2007, here or at ***?

ACLU - What's Wrong With Fusion Centers - Executive Summary
A new institution is emerging in American life: Fusion Centers. These state, local and regional institutions were originally created to improve the sharing of anti-terrorism intelligence among different state, local and federal law enforcement agencies. Though they developed independently and remain quite different from one another, for many the scope of their mission has quickly expanded - with the support and encouragement of the federal government - to cover "all crimes and all hazards." The types of information they seek for analysis has also broadened over time to include not just criminal intelligence, but public and private sector data, and participation in these centers has grown to include not just law enforcement, but other government entities, the military and even select members of the private sector.

These new fusion centers, over 40 of which have been established around the country, raise very serious privacy issues at a time when new technology, government powers and zeal in the "war on terrorism" are combining to threaten Americans' privacy at an unprecedented level.

Moreover, there are serious questions about whether data fusion is an effective means of preventing terrorism in the first place, and whether funding the development of these centers is a wise investment of finite public safety resources. Yet federal, state and local governments are increasing their investment in fusion centers without properly assessing whether they serve a necessary purpose.

There's nothing wrong with the government seeking to do a better job of properly sharing legitimately acquired information about law enforcement investigations - indeed, that is one of the things that 9/11 tragically showed is very much needed.

But in a democracy, the collection and sharing of intelligence information - especially information about American citizens and other residents - need to be carried out with the utmost care. That is because more and more, the amount of information available on each one of us is enough to assemble a very detailed portrait of our lives. And because security agencies are moving toward using such portraits to profile how "suspicious" we look.1

New institutions like fusion centers must be planned in a public, open manner, and their implications for privacy and other key values carefully thought out and debated. And like any powerful institution in a democracy, they must be constructed in a carefully bounded and limited manner with sufficient checks and balances to prevent abuse.

Unfortunately, the new fusion centers have not conformed to these vital requirements.

Since no two fusion centers are alike, it is difficult to make generalized statements about them. Clearly not all fusion centers are engaging in improper intelligence activities and not all fusion center operations raise civil liberties or privacy concerns. But some do, and the lack of a proper legal framework to regulate their activities is troublesome. This report is intended to serve as a primer that explains what fusion centers are, and how and why they were created. It details potential problems fusion centers present to the privacy and civil liberties of ordinary Americans, including:

Ambiguous Lines of Authority. The participation of agencies from multiple jurisdictions in fusion centers allows the authorities to manipulate differences in federal, state and local laws to maximize information collection while evading accountability and oversight through the practice of "policy shopping."
Private Sector Participation. Fusion centers are incorporating private-sector corporations into the intelligence process, breaking down the arm's length relationship that protects the privacy of innocent Americans who are employees or customers of these companies, and increasing the risk of a data breach.
Military Participation. Fusion centers are involving military personnel in law enforcement activities in troubling ways.
Data Fusion = Data Mining. Federal fusion center guidelines encourage whole sale data collection and manipulation processes that threaten privacy.
Excessive Secrecy. Fusion centers are hobbled by excessive secrecy, which limits public oversight, impairs their ability to acquire essential information and impedes their ability to fulfill their stated mission, bringing their ultimate value into doubt.

The lack of proper legal limits on the new fusion centers not only threatens to undermine fundamental American values, but also threatens to turn them into wasteful and misdirected bureaucracies that, like our federal security agencies before 9/11, won't succeed in their ultimate mission of stopping terrorism and other crime.

The information in this report provides a starting point from which individuals can begin to ask informed questions about the nature and scope of intelligence programs being conducted in their communities. The report concludes with a list of recommendations for Congress and state legislatures.
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travelinman67 wrote:dbackjon, D1B, appaholic, TTBF, Bench, Wedgebuster, Cap'n...

...all attack the source but none defend the action...


Thank you for making my point.


Now, let me also point out I stated he'd attempt to do this LAST YEAR after the Colorado speech...

...and I was correct.


No, really...check your adulation at the door, please.
dback...I'm referring to the Obama Brownshirt Youth speech he gave last July...

I posted the thread and covered it at AGS, Coastal 89 covered it here. AGS search only goes back 500 threads, and Ralphie's deleted many of my threads that bashed Obama...so good luck finding it...it would have been around 07/18/2008. I'm banned last time I looked.
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travelinman67 wrote:
travelinman67 wrote:dbackjon, D1B, appaholic, TTBF, Bench, Wedgebuster, Cap'n...

...all attack the source but none defend the action...


Thank you for making my point.


Now, let me also point out I stated he'd attempt to do this LAST YEAR after the Colorado speech...

...and I was correct.


No, really...check your adulation at the door, please.
dback...I'm referring to the Obama Brownshirt Youth speech he gave last July...

I posted the thread and covered it at AGS, Coastal 89 covered it here. AGS search only goes back 500 threads, and Ralphie's deleted many of my threads that bashed Obama...so good luck finding it...it would have been around 07/18/2008. I'm banned last time I looked.
But were you critical of the Fusion Centers under Bush?
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