Which Direction?

[Grizalltheway]

Careful not to spill any seed 89, wouldn't want you murdering potential babies.

So cute.

I aim to please.

[Chizzang]

If Republicans ever want to get any kind of significant number of women voters
(Which by they way the clearly do not)
They will stop pandering to the fundamentalist Christians
in fact distance themselves

You don't have to be any religion to know that abortion is wrong and it in no way is "standing in between us and our doctors". BTW, who were you including in the "us" Mr Man?

The perception is that the Republican Party has willingly placed it'self in between Women and their doctors
You can deny away all you want - in fact - you are exhibiting precisely the position of denial i'm referring to

[89Hen]

The perception is that the Republican Party has willingly placed it'self in between Women and their doctors
You can deny away all you want - in fact - you are exhibiting precisely the position of denial i'm referring to

You are exhibiting the precisely the position of denial that a baby is not a tumor.

BTW, if socialized medicine is put in place, which party do think would really be standing between US and our doctors?

[Chizzang]

The perception is that the Republican Party has willingly placed it'self in between Women and their doctors
You can deny away all you want - in fact - you are exhibiting precisely the position of denial i'm referring to

You are exhibiting the precisely the position of denial that a baby is not a tumor.

That is completely irrelevant to the point...
How one "feels" about the situation is not relevant to the point of the situation
I thought you were married to three lawyers - you should be past that distinction by now

[89Hen]

That is completely irrelevant to the point...

Only to a pro-choice person. That's because you can't really get past that point successfully. Bury your head in the sand further. We can stop now because we are not changing each others minds on this, you and I both know that.

[Chizzang]

That is completely irrelevant to the point...

Only to a pro-choice person. That's because you can't really get past that point successfully. Bury your head in the sand further. We can stop now because we are not changing each others minds on this, you and I both know that.

wtf...
This is about the failings of Republicans to acknowledge that putting themselves in that position...
The "we know what's best for you" position between doctors and women has cost them elections
Most recently two senate seats

It's not about who's right or wrong - it's about political failings
Politics is about FIRST getting elected - can we agree on that..?

try to stay on target buddy

[green&gold75]

The perception is that the Republican Party has willingly placed it'self in between Women and their doctors
You can deny away all you want - in fact - you are exhibiting precisely the position of denial i'm referring to

You are exhibiting the precisely the position of denial that a baby is not a tumor.

BTW, if socialized medicine is put in place, which party do think would really be standing between US and our doctors?

FWIW - I get less barriers to referrals, tests, and medication ordering from Medicare, than I do from the commercial plans. Not something some people want you to know.

[Grizalltheway]

You are exhibiting the precisely the position of denial that a baby is not a tumor.

BTW, if socialized medicine is put in place, which party do think would really be standing between US and our doctors?

FWIW - I get less barriers to referrals, tests, and medication ordering from Medicare, than I do from the commercial plans. Not something some people want you to know.

[CAA Flagship]

Politics is about FIRST getting elected - can we agree on that..?

Exactly. It is time for the Republicans to lie when campaigning if they want to win.

Some key phrases to utilize:
It depends on the circumstances.
Hmmm. That's interesting. I will certainly take a long hard look at that.
I hope to work with the other party to come up with a solution we can all live with.
I love Latinos.
I am Santa Claus.
Takers are more important to the Country than Makers.

[GannonFan]

You are exhibiting the precisely the position of denial that a baby is not a tumor.

BTW, if socialized medicine is put in place, which party do think would really be standing between US and our doctors?

FWIW - I get less barriers to referrals, tests, and medication ordering from Medicare, than I do from the commercial plans. Not something some people want you to know.

For now. What happens to Medicare and the programs like it in 10 years will be the question. At some point the costs are going to be unbearable and decisions will have to be made about what is allowed and what isn't allowed. We aren't going to be able to sustain a "get whatever medical care you want right at this instant without paying for it" system forever. I mean, it works great for those in it, but someone's going to need to pay the bills.

[bluehenbillk]

For now. What happens to Medicare and the programs like it in 10 years will be the question. At some point the costs are going to be unbearable and decisions will have to be made about what is allowed and what isn't allowed. We aren't going to be able to sustain a "get whatever medical care you want right at this instant without paying for it" system forever. I mean, it works great for those in it, but someone's going to need to pay the bills.

Translation: The "greatest generation" is f&%#ng us all.

[ASUG8]

FWIW - I get less barriers to referrals, tests, and medication ordering from Medicare, than I do from the commercial plans. Not something some people want you to know.

For now. What happens to Medicare and the programs like it in 10 years will be the question. At some point the costs are going to be unbearable and decisions will have to be made about what is allowed and what isn't allowed. We aren't going to be able to sustain a "get whatever medical care you want right at this instant without paying for it" system forever. I mean, it works great for those in it, but someone's going to need to pay the bills.

My parents are in their 70's and Dad has a lot of health issues. He's certainly getting his money's worth out of Medicare, but I don't think I'll see that level of care when I get to be his age unless I use some hybrid of Medicare and private insurance, and you know how private insurers like to give older people with preexisting conditions good pricing.

[GannonFan]

For now. What happens to Medicare and the programs like it in 10 years will be the question. At some point the costs are going to be unbearable and decisions will have to be made about what is allowed and what isn't allowed. We aren't going to be able to sustain a "get whatever medical care you want right at this instant without paying for it" system forever. I mean, it works great for those in it, but someone's going to need to pay the bills.

Translation: The "greatest generation" is f&%#ng us all.

That's the shocking thing right now that the younger generation doesn't seem to understand yet. Old people are flat out sticking it to the youth right now - look at all the cuts in education spending at the local levels (increased class sizes, cutting programs, jacking up fees, etc). Meanwhile things like Medicare, which again, work fantastic for those people who are in those programs, keep increasing costs at a record rate. And young people are getting doubly screwed in that college costs are skyrocketing even more (due in a decent amount to the fact that we've put so much government money into tuition loans that colleges, smartly, have jacked up tuitions in order to in essence, take possession of that government largesse). So for young people, they're saddled with student debt, their nation is racking up incredible debt while funding programs we can't ever possibly raise enough revenue to cover, and they can't find jobs to cover the debt they're going to be responsible for. Meanwhile the aged of the population cost a fortune since they pay very little and they'll be mostly gone in 10-20 years leaving the youth with the bill. What a system.

[Grizalltheway]

Translation: The "greatest generation" is f&%#ng us all.

That's the shocking thing right now that the younger generation doesn't seem to understand yet. Old people are flat out sticking it to the youth right now - look at all the cuts in education spending at the local levels (increased class sizes, cutting programs, jacking up fees, etc). Meanwhile things like Medicare, which again, work fantastic for those people who are in those programs, keep increasing costs at a record rate. And young people are getting doubly screwed in that college costs are skyrocketing even more (due in a decent amount to the fact that we've put so much government money into tuition loans that colleges, smartly, have jacked up tuitions in order to in essence, take possession of that government largesse). So for young people, they're saddled with student debt, their nation is racking up incredible debt while funding programs we can't ever possibly raise enough revenue to cover, and they can't find jobs to cover the debt they're going to be responsible for. Meanwhile the aged of the population cost a fortune since they pay very little and they'll be mostly gone in 10-20 years leaving the youth with the bill. What a system.

Thanks for the pick-me-up, GF.

[mainejeff]

The Republicans fail to re-gain the White House or take control of congress, lose some congressional seats due to incumbents being primaried by the Tea Party, and several key progressive initiatives win ballot approval in the states.

1) Do you think the GOP will move back toward the center?

2) Do you think the GOP SHOULD move back toward the center?

There could be a battle a brewin'.

I think that they will move more toward the right........which should ensure decades of more election losses.

[GannonFan]

That's the shocking thing right now that the younger generation doesn't seem to understand yet. Old people are flat out sticking it to the youth right now - look at all the cuts in education spending at the local levels (increased class sizes, cutting programs, jacking up fees, etc). Meanwhile things like Medicare, which again, work fantastic for those people who are in those programs, keep increasing costs at a record rate. And young people are getting doubly screwed in that college costs are skyrocketing even more (due in a decent amount to the fact that we've put so much government money into tuition loans that colleges, smartly, have jacked up tuitions in order to in essence, take possession of that government largesse). So for young people, they're saddled with student debt, their nation is racking up incredible debt while funding programs we can't ever possibly raise enough revenue to cover, and they can't find jobs to cover the debt they're going to be responsible for. Meanwhile the aged of the population cost a fortune since they pay very little and they'll be mostly gone in 10-20 years leaving the youth with the bill. What a system.

Thanks for the pick-me-up, GF.

Well, the sooner we all start drinking is the sooner we will stop realizing that there's a painful resetting of our economic house in the very near future. And that old people are screwing us.

[mainejeff]

Face it
Republicans will never get out of peoples bedrooms
or remove themselves from standing in between us and our doctors
The Republican party will never stop believing that Evolution is some elaborate hippie plot
to control the minds of our children and Creationism is Real Science
The Republican party will never stop telling us we're a Christian Nation under Gods control
And that we need to be in the middle of every other country's military business

What you're talking about are called Libertarians / not / Republicans

Amen.

[mainejeff]

I agree to some extent. I'd rather be voting for shades of grey somewhere in the center vs. black/white. The Tea Party will diminish and the OWS folks will likely fall by the wayside as well (especially since they really never had an agenda to begin with ). But the class warfare that we've witnessed has got to go if you truly want to unify folks, not polarize them. I'm convinced that's really what put Obama over the top in this election.

Libertarians don't care who you sleep with or who you marry
Libertarians understand the phrase "Government shall honor no Religion"
Libertarians tend to believe that 700 billion might be a few hundred billion too high (Pentagon)
Libertarians aren't waging a war on logic and science

If the Republican party adopts any of these positions (which they won't) but if they did - they would waltz into the white house and Senate with control

Yup.

[GannonFan]

The Republicans fail to re-gain the White House or take control of congress, lose some congressional seats due to incumbents being primaried by the Tea Party, and several key progressive initiatives win ballot approval in the states.

1) Do you think the GOP will move back toward the center?

2) Do you think the GOP SHOULD move back toward the center?

There could be a battle a brewin'.

I think that they will move more toward the right........which should ensure decades of more election losses.

Eh, I just don't see it. There won't be enough white people to fill that party anyway. And if Latinos continue growing at the rate they are, and there's no evidence that they won't, they'll basically become and act like a majority racial group like whites have. And that means, unlike African Americans, Latinos will eventually split themselves across two parties as their interests diverge. I don't see Latinos being as monolithic in political thought as African Americans have been so they aren't going to be 90% for one party, hell or high water. They'll basically assume the title of the Republican party and turn it in whatever direction they see fit. And you're already seeing that happen to some extent with the Rubio's of the world. The GOP now holds 30 governor's mansions and the House of Representatives - the angry, white, evangelical misoyginists is not a growing demographic - someone else is going to fill in the empty seats.

[mainejeff]

That is completely irrelevant to the point...

Only to a pro-choice person. That's because you can't really get past that point successfully. Bury your head in the sand further. We can stop now because we are not changing each others minds on this, you and I both know that.

Cripes......you just don't get it.

No wonder your party is f'd.

[mainejeff]

Politics is about FIRST getting elected - can we agree on that..?

Exactly. It is time for the Republicans to lie when campaigning if they want to win.

Some key phrases to utilize:
It depends on the circumstances.
Hmmm. That's interesting. I will certainly take a long hard look at that.
I hope to work with the other party to come up with a solution we can all live with.
I love Latinos.
I am Santa Claus.
Takers are more important to the Country than Makers.

Or they can try these (not lies):

1. We support gay marriage.
2. We support a women's right to choose.
3. We support a path to U.S. citizenship for all of those that want to be here through legal means.

[AZGrizFan]

Exactly. It is time for the Republicans to lie when campaigning if they want to win.

Some key phrases to utilize:
It depends on the circumstances.
Hmmm. That's interesting. I will certainly take a long hard look at that.
I hope to work with the other party to come up with a solution we can all live with.
I love Latinos.
I am Santa Claus.
Takers are more important to the Country than Makers.

Or they can try these (not lies):

1. We support gay marriage.
2. We support a women's right to choose.
3. We support a path to U.S. citizenship for all of those that want to be here through legal means.

I agree, mj. Until the republican party gets on board (in some form or fashion) with those three issues, and finds a way to speak to Latinos, they won't win many major elections.

[AZGrizFan]

The Republicans fail to re-gain the White House or take control of congress, lose some congressional seats due to incumbents being primaried by the Tea Party, and several key progressive initiatives win ballot approval in the states.

1) Do you think the GOP will move back toward the center?

2) Do you think the GOP SHOULD move back toward the center?

There could be a battle a brewin'.

I think that they will move more toward the right........which should ensure decades of more election losses.

Sadly, I think you're right again, mj. While the GOP should be decoupling themselves from the religious right I fear they will, instead, strengthen that marriage to the ultimate detriment of the party.

[mainejeff]

I think that they will move more toward the right........which should ensure decades of more election losses.

Sadly, I think you're right again, mj. While the GOP should be decoupling themselves from the religious right I fear they will, instead, strengthen that marriage to the ultimate detriment of the party.

The time is now ripe for a TRUE Libertarian to come out of the closet so-to-speak........they could make some in-roads leading up to 2016. Whoever they may be, they absolutely need to denounce the Republican platform on social issues.......and the nannyism of the Democratic Party. Need to emphasize doing and spending for the USA rather than foreign lands.

[AZGrizFan]

Sadly, I think you're right again, mj. While the GOP should be decoupling themselves from the religious right I fear they will, instead, strengthen that marriage to the ultimate detriment of the party.

The time is now ripe for a TRUE Libertarian to come out of the closet so-to-speak........they could make some in-roads leading up to 2016. Whoever they may be, they absolutely need to denounce the Republican platform on social issues.......and the nannyism of the Democratic Party. Need to emphasize doing and spending for the USA rather than foreign lands.

Good GOD man...who are you, and what have you done with mj???