cats2506 wrote:Oh SE there is a road to EWU getting the AB, SUU beats NAU, CP beats NAU, NAU eliminated by virtue of 2 losses, EWU has TB over MSU and CP
SO you need to become a SUU fan and a CP fan in the next few weeks.
You're an idiot making it more complicated than it really is. Assuming EWU wins out (likely), and NAU drops just one between SUU and CP (also likely, IMO), then EWU wins the autobid because we already have a higher sagarin than NAU, and NAU certainly wouldn't move past us with a loss. MSU and CP automatically lose because of the H2H with EWU.
cats2506 wrote:Oh SE there is a road to EWU getting the AB, SUU beats NAU, CP beats NAU, NAU eliminated by virtue of 2 losses, EWU has TB over MSU and CP
SO you need to become a SUU fan and a CP fan in the next few weeks.
You're an idiot making it more complicated than it really is. Assuming EWU wins out (likely), and NAU drops just one between SUU and CP (also likely, IMO), then EWU wins the autobid because we already have a higher sagarin than NAU, and NAU certainly wouldn't move past us with a loss. MSU and CP automatically lose because of the H2H with EWU.
reading the explanation on the BSC site it appears that the H2H applies across all ties, ie EWU would need to have a head over all that are tied, if NAU is in the mix that the H2H means nothing since one team cannot completly win it or be completly eliminated, so you need SUU and CP to beat NAU to throw the TB into the H2H
Another explanation, you couldn't eliminate MSU based on H2H and leave NAU in the mix since MSU and NAU don't play each other, then all remain in the mix and it drops to the next tiebreaker.
If Eastern Washington and Montana State were to both finish 7-1 in conference, and were the only two teams to finish 7-1, Eastern Washington would claim the automatic bid to the playoffs by virtue of a 27-24 win over the Bobcats on Oct. 13.
NAUJacks wrote:I would have assumed that given the history and close ties the NAU staff has with Montana but the way some Griz fans on this board act is as if its eatin them alive.
Believe it or not there is a ton of respect for Montana from NAU.The tradition is undeniable and it is something they are trying to establish. They have taken a huge step in that direction.
hey jackass, you still never responded to my question about your comment "no walk on was good enough to make the team this year"
Hey leave my bro alone dude or its gonna get ugly in here
The only other thing I have to say is Go Jacks!!!!
LumberJackie wrote:You guys are hilarious. All this energy and brain power of supposition. I prefer to just watch the games and let the teams on the field decide.
Yeah I dont really think the AB means much to the selection committee, but will love it if MSU either gets the AB or a higher seed than EWU just because SE is so sure that they have it all locked up
NAU is the only team that controls their own destiny, lets see how it works out
LumberJackie wrote:You guys are hilarious. All this energy and brain power of supposition. I prefer to just watch the games and let the teams on the field decide.
Yeah I dont really think the AB means much to the selection committee, but will love it if MSU either gets the AB or a higher seed than EWU just because SE is so sure that they have it all locked up
NAU is the only team that controls their own destiny, lets see how it works out
"If all four teams tie at 7-1," the Big Sky explained this weekend "all four teams would be recognized a co-conference championship. The league’s automatic bid to the playoffs would go to the team with the highest conference Sagarin Rating, as that would be the first criteria in the Big Sky’s tiebreaker that could be met. All four teams would have played and beat North Dakota , Portland State and UC Davis in conference games, meaning the Sagarin Ratings would break the tie."
If you think that will make anything easier to determine - think again. This week's Sagarin rankings have Eastern Washington at 86, Montana State at 91, Northern Arizona at 93, and Cal Poly at 99.
cats2506 wrote:
Yeah I dont really think the AB means much to the selection committee, but will love it if MSU either gets the AB or a higher seed than EWU just because SE is so sure that they have it all locked up
NAU is the only team that controls their own destiny, lets see how it works out
"If all four teams tie at 7-1," the Big Sky explained this weekend "all four teams would be recognized a co-conference championship. The league’s automatic bid to the playoffs would go to the team with the highest conference Sagarin Rating, as that would be the first criteria in the Big Sky’s tiebreaker that could be met. All four teams would have played and beat North Dakota , Portland State and UC Davis in conference games, meaning the Sagarin Ratings would break the tie."
If you think that will make anything easier to determine - think again. This week's Sagarin rankings have Eastern Washington at 86, Montana State at 91, Northern Arizona at 93, and Cal Poly at 99.
cats2506 wrote:
Yeah I dont really think the AB means much to the selection committee, but will love it if MSU either gets the AB or a higher seed than EWU just because SE is so sure that they have it all locked up
NAU is the only team that controls their own destiny, lets see how it works out
"If all four teams tie at 7-1," the Big Sky explained this weekend "all four teams would be recognized a co-conference championship. The league’s automatic bid to the playoffs would go to the team with the highest conference Sagarin Rating, as that would be the first criteria in the Big Sky’s tiebreaker that could be met. All four teams would have played and beat North Dakota , Portland State and UC Davis in conference games, meaning the Sagarin Ratings would break the tie."
If you think that will make anything easier to determine - think again. This week's Sagarin rankings have Eastern Washington at 86, Montana State at 91, Northern Arizona at 93, and Cal Poly at 99.
Therefore, by the most slender of criteria, that means I think Eastern Washington will take the Big Sky's autobid. That means I think Northern Arizona will slip against Southern Utah, Cal Poly, or both.
I agree that NAU will drop one, EWU and MSU are separated by less than 1 point in the Sagrin 65.32 and 64.20, margin of victory and schedule have an effect in Sagrin, we both face PSU but um has a higher rating than UCD, and a MSU win there will provide the necessary points to be on top in the end.
Its implied that MSU and EWU must win out and NAU must drop one game at least.
I agree that NAU will drop one, EWU and MSU are separated by less than 1 point in the Sagrin 65.32 and 64.20, margin of victory and schedule have an effect in Sagrin, we both face PSU but um has a higher rating than UCD, and a MSU win there will provide the necessary points to be on top in the end.
Its implied that MSU and EWU must win out and NAU must drop one game at least.
EWU is 5 spots higher in the Sagarin. And I guarantee we'll beat UCD by more than 7... they've appeared to ship it in for the year. MSU would also have to beat UM by more than 6, which would be a tall task, as the Griz will probably win by more than 6. Enjoy the cat trap in Missoula!
cats2506 wrote:
I agree that NAU will drop one, EWU and MSU are separated by less than 1 point in the Sagrin 65.32 and 64.20, margin of victory and schedule have an effect in Sagrin, we both face PSU but um has a higher rating than UCD, and a MSU win there will provide the necessary points to be on top in the end.
Its implied that MSU and EWU must win out and NAU must drop one game at least.
EWU is 5 spots higher in the Sagarin. And I guarantee we'll beat UCD by more than 7... they've appeared to ship it in for the year. MSU would also have to beat UM by more than 6, which would be a tall task, as the Griz will probably win by more than 6. Enjoy the cat trap in Missoula!
5 spots in the ranking, but they are separated by less than 1 point in the rating, that is a reversal (MSU lead by 1 point) from last week, which is understandable since EWU had win of a higher margin of victory (34-17) over a higher rated team (CP). When you look at sagrin you need to look at only Sagrin and look at the rating rather than the ranking
Dont count your chickens yet, there is still two weeks to go and EWU, MSU and of course NAU are still very much in this for the AB
Screamin_Eagle174 wrote:
EWU is 5 spots higher in the Sagarin. And I guarantee we'll beat UCD by more than 7... they've appeared to ship it in for the year. MSU would also have to beat UM by more than 6, which would be a tall task, as the Griz will probably win by more than 6. Enjoy the cat trap in Missoula!
5 spots in the ranking, but they are separated by less than 1 point in the rating, that is a reversal (MSU lead by 1 point) from last week, which is understandable since EWU had win of a higher margin of victory (34-17) over a higher rated team (CP). When you look at sagrin you need to look at only Sagrin and look at the rating rather than the ranking
Dont count your chickens yet, there is still two weeks to go and EWU, MSU and of course NAU are still very much in this for the AB
Except that difference in one rating point equates to 5 spots, so I don't know why you're arguing other than you're scat fan, and a dipshit of one at that.
cats2506 wrote:
5 spots in the ranking, but they are separated by less than 1 point in the rating, that is a reversal (MSU lead by 1 point) from last week, which is understandable since EWU had win of a higher margin of victory (34-17) over a higher rated team (CP). When you look at sagrin you need to look at only Sagrin and look at the rating rather than the ranking
Dont count your chickens yet, there is still two weeks to go and EWU, MSU and of course NAU are still very much in this for the AB
Except that difference in one rating point equates to 5 spots, so I don't know why you're arguing other than you're scat fan, and a dipshit of one at that.
You are confirming all that I ever thought about EWU's academics
1 rating point does not necessarly equal 5 "spots", the spots you talk of are ranking and there is no BSC teams between us, which is irrelevant, but will easily confuse you. You seem to think that 1 rating point is a lot to overcome, but it is not, especially when you have a weaker SOS ahead and MSU has a stronger SOS ahead, With 2 games left MSU could easily have a lead over EWU by 2 or more rating points on selection Sunday, those 2 points may result in anywhere from 1 to 20 "spots"
here are some more "spots" for you to consider, it may remind you of Coloring 101 at EWU
Screamin_Eagle174 wrote:
Except that difference in one rating point equates to 5 spots, so I don't know why you're arguing other than you're scat fan, and a dipshit of one at that.
You are confirming all that I ever thought about EWU's academics
1 rating point does not necessarly equal 5 "spots", the spots you talk of are ranking and there is no BSC teams between us, which is irrelevant, but will easily confuse you. You seem to think that 1 rating point is a lot to overcome, but it is not, especially when you have a weaker SOS ahead and MSU has a stronger SOS ahead, With 2 games left MSU could easily have a lead over EWU by 2 or more rating points on selection Sunday, those 2 points may result in anywhere from 1 to 20 "spots"
here are some more "spots" for you to consider, it may remind you of Coloring 101 at EWU
Perhaps I used the wrong word, but my point still stands. The one point difference directly corresponds with the ranking, and yes it will be difficult for MSU to overcome considering we own the head to head and will win our next two games, likely by considerable margins. MSU on the other hand will lose to UM, per usual, making this all moot, just like the rest of the drivel you post. Thanks for playing, bitchkitten.
Screamin_Eagle174 wrote:
Perhaps I used the wrong word, but my point still stands. The one point difference directly corresponds with the ranking, and yes it will be difficult for MSU to overcome considering we own the head to head and will win our next two games, likely by considerable margins. MSU on the other hand will lose to UM, per usual, making this all moot, just like the rest of the drivel you post. Thanks for playing, bitchkitten.
So now you are back to thinking that the head to head will save you and hoping that UM can save EWU once again
The fact is that NAU is in control, but should they lose one then MSU becomes the team in the drivers seat.
Screamin_Eagle174 wrote:
Perhaps I used the wrong word, but my point still stands. The one point difference directly corresponds with the ranking, and yes it will be difficult for MSU to overcome considering we own the head to head and will win our next two games, likely by considerable margins. MSU on the other hand will lose to UM, per usual, making this all moot, just like the rest of the drivel you post. Thanks for playing, bitchkitten.
So now you are back to thinking that the head to head will save you and hoping that UM can save EWU once again
The fact is that NAU is in control, but should they lose one then MSU becomes the team in the drivers seat.
Only if the committee doesn't consider SOS, quality wins, quality losses, DII versus FBS and the like...which they do. The ONLY argument you win against EWU is the win total. Replace your Chadron win with a narrow Washington State loss and a weaker OOC SOS and conference SOS and a reasonable person might see where I'm going here.
That's EWU 6...MSU 1. Your one doesn't trump our 6.
Assuming all three win out, NAU is the only BSC that can be seeded higher than EWU.
