Jeezus... I just voted for Jill Stein

[Chizzang]

This is how far I've been pushed out into the weeds by our present system
I just filled out my Washington State voters ballot card and selected Jill Stein as my choice for President

The one Shocker on my card:
I voted for a Republican Rob McKenna for governor
The rest of my choices were for Democrats and Liberals

I voted to decriminalize pot
To balance the Washington State budget
Charter schools

[∞∞∞]

I voted for Obama, George Allen, and Rob Wittman. The more the executive and legislative branches keep each other in check, the better. IMO, disagreeing branches = less government = good.

[griz37]

Chizzang - I am guessing you voted to approve 74?

[Grizalltheway]

This is how far I've been pushed out into the weeds by our present system
I just filled out my Washington State voters ballot card and selected Jill Stein as my choice for President

The one Shocker on my card:
I voted for a Republican Rob McKenna for governor
The rest of my choices were for Democrats and Liberals

I voted to decriminalize pot
To balance the Washington State budget
Charter schools

That makes two of us brotha!!

Although I did go for Inslee over McKenna.

[Grizalltheway]

Chizzang - I am guessing you voted to approve 74?

I did.

[Chizzang]

Yes... Approve 74 (obviously) I mean I could hardly call myself a Liberal if I didn't
besides I need something to piss off JohnStWrong

and Inslee is a criminal - I couldn't endorse him
The man is a thief and a liar (I know I know) they all are but he's really bad at it

[89Hen]

I just voted for Jill Stein

[89Hen]

•Provide full protection for workplace rights, including the right to a safe workplace and the right to organize a union without fear of firing or reprisal by passing the Employee Free Choice Act.

•Support the formation of worker-owned cooperatives to provide alternatives to exploitative business models.

•Rewrite the entire tax code to be truly progressive with tax cuts for working families, the poor and middle class, and higher taxes for the richest Americans.

•Ensure the right to accessible and affordable utilities – heat, electricity, phone, internet, and public transportation – through democratically run, publicly owned utilities that operate at cost, not for profit.

•Break up the oversized banks that are “too big to fail,” starting with Bank of America.

•Create a Corporation for Economic Democracy, a new federal corporation (like the Corporation for Public Broadcasting) to provide publicity, training, education, and direct financing for cooperative development and for democratic reforms to make government agencies, private associations, and business enterprises more participatory.

•Provide tuition-free education from kindergarten through college, thus eliminating the student debt crisis.

•Forgive existing student debt.

•Stop denying students diplomas based on tests.

•Stop using merit pay to punish teachers.

•Impose an immediate moratorium on foreclosures and evictions.

•Offer capital grants to non-profit developers of affordable housing until all people can obtain decent housing at no more than 25% of their income.

•Expand rental and home ownership assistance and create ample public housing.

•Create a binding international treaty to reduce atmospheric carbon dioxide to levels deemed safe by scientific analysis to reduce global warming.

•Phase out nuclear power and end nuclear subsidies.

•Halt all drilling that poses a threat to public lands or water resources.

•Oppose the Online Piracy Act and all other legislation that would undermine freedom and equality on the Internet.

•Enact the full Voter's Bill of Rights guaranteeing each person's right to vote, the right to have our votes counted on hand-marked paper ballots, and the right to vote within systems that give each vote meaning.

•Abolish the electoral college and directly elect the President.

•Require the use of auditable, hand-counted paper ballots in all local, state, and federal elections.

•Cut the bloated Pentagon budget by 50%.

•Create a nuclear free zone in the Middle East region and require all nations in area to join.

•Ban use of drone aircraft for assassination, bombing, and other offensive purposes.

•Close some 140 U.S. military bases abroad.

[GSUhooligan]

•Provide full protection for workplace rights, including the right to a safe workplace and the right to organize a union without fear of firing or reprisal by passing the Employee Free Choice Act.

•Support the formation of worker-owned cooperatives to provide alternatives to exploitative business models.

•Rewrite the entire tax code to be truly progressive with tax cuts for working families, the poor and middle class, and higher taxes for the richest Americans.

•Ensure the right to accessible and affordable utilities – heat, electricity, phone, internet, and public transportation – through democratically run, publicly owned utilities that operate at cost, not for profit.

•Break up the oversized banks that are “too big to fail,” starting with Bank of America.

•Create a Corporation for Economic Democracy, a new federal corporation (like the Corporation for Public Broadcasting) to provide publicity, training, education, and direct financing for cooperative development and for democratic reforms to make government agencies, private associations, and business enterprises more participatory.

•Provide tuition-free education from kindergarten through college, thus eliminating the student debt crisis.

•Forgive existing student debt.

•Stop denying students diplomas based on tests.

•Stop using merit pay to punish teachers.

•Impose an immediate moratorium on foreclosures and evictions.

•Offer capital grants to non-profit developers of affordable housing until all people can obtain decent housing at no more than 25% of their income.

•Expand rental and home ownership assistance and create ample public housing.

•Create a binding international treaty to reduce atmospheric carbon dioxide to levels deemed safe by scientific analysis to reduce global warming.

•Phase out nuclear power and end nuclear subsidies .

•Halt all drilling that poses a threat to public lands or water resources.

•Oppose the Online Piracy Act and all other legislation that would undermine freedom and equality on the Internet.

•Enact the full Voter's Bill of Rights guaranteeing each person's right to vote, the right to have our votes counted on hand-marked paper ballots, and the right to vote within systems that give each vote meaning.

•Abolish the electoral college and directly elect the President.

•Require the use of auditable, hand-counted paper ballots in all local, state, and federal elections.

•Cut the bloated Pentagon budget by 50%.

•Create a nuclear free zone in the Middle East region and require all nations in area to join.

•Ban use of drone aircraft for assassination, bombing, and other offensive purposes.

•Close some 140 U.S. military bases abroad.

I'd vote for her before voting for Obama or Romney. Not before voting for Johnson though.

[89Hen]

I'd vote for her before voting for Obama or Romney. Not before voting for Johnson though.

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and she'd get your vote.

The ONLY reason you'd vote for her over Obama or Romney is she has the luxury of sitting in the weeds and not having to get her hands dirty in an actual bid for anything.

[kalm]

•Provide full protection for workplace rights, including the right to a safe workplace and the right to organize a union without fear of firing or reprisal by passing the Employee Free Choice Act.

•Support the formation of worker-owned cooperatives to provide alternatives to exploitative business models.

•Rewrite the entire tax code to be truly progressive with tax cuts for working families, the poor and middle class, and higher taxes for the richest Americans.

•Ensure the right to accessible and affordable utilities – heat, electricity, phone, internet, and public transportation – through democratically run, publicly owned utilities that operate at cost, not for profit.

•Break up the oversized banks that are “too big to fail,” starting with Bank of America.

•Create a Corporation for Economic Democracy, a new federal corporation (like the Corporation for Public Broadcasting) to provide publicity, training, education, and direct financing for cooperative development and for democratic reforms to make government agencies, private associations, and business enterprises more participatory.

•Provide tuition-free education from kindergarten through college, thus eliminating the student debt crisis.

•Forgive existing student debt.

•Stop denying students diplomas based on tests.

•Stop using merit pay to punish teachers.

•Impose an immediate moratorium on foreclosures and evictions.

•Offer capital grants to non-profit developers of affordable housing until all people can obtain decent housing at no more than 25% of their income.

•Expand rental and home ownership assistance and create ample public housing.

•Create a binding international treaty to reduce atmospheric carbon dioxide to levels deemed safe by scientific analysis to reduce global warming.

•Phase out nuclear power and end nuclear subsidies .

•Halt all drilling that poses a threat to public lands or water resources.

•Oppose the Online Piracy Act and all other legislation that would undermine freedom and equality on the Internet.

•Enact the full Voter's Bill of Rights guaranteeing each person's right to vote, the right to have our votes counted on hand-marked paper ballots, and the right to vote within systems that give each vote meaning.

•Abolish the electoral college and directly elect the President.

•Require the use of auditable, hand-counted paper ballots in all local, state, and federal elections.

•Cut the bloated Pentagon budget by 50%.

•Create a nuclear free zone in the Middle East region and require all nations in area to join.

•Ban use of drone aircraft for assassination, bombing, and other offensive purposes.

•Close some 140 U.S. military bases abroad.

I'd vote for her before voting for Obama or Romney. Not before voting for Johnson though.

This. There are some very good ideas on that list.

[Pwns]

The green party is just too liberal for me. I'm all for third parties and indies but not the fringe ones. Gary Johnson is basically the closest thing to a serious centrist third-partier that we have. If he were a true libertarian I wouldn't support him.

Hooligan, would you really support full, unconditional student loan forgiveness?

[Skjellyfetti]

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and she'd get your vote.

That's not her entire platform... he probably agrees with more of her platform than he disagrees. Unlike your cherrypicked version.

[GSUhooligan]

Hooligan, would you really support full, unconditional student loan forgiveness?

For my student loans, hell yes, but not for anyone else's.
J/K, I clicked the wrong button.

[89Hen]

This. There are some very good ideas on that list.

Like 1000 monkeys on typewriters.

[89Hen]

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and she'd get your vote.

That's not her entire platform... he probably agrees with more of her platform than he disagrees. Unlike your cherrypicked version.

Much of the rest is non-specific filler that every candidate has. IIRC when I took the who do you side with test I was even 30% in agreement with Jill Stein. I would expect a liberal to be 60%+, but too many of her ideas are absolute shit.

[89Hen]

Hooligan, would you really support full, unconditional student loan forgiveness?

For my student loans, hell yes, but not for anyone else's.
J/K, I clicked the wrong button.

So 11-14.

[GSUhooligan]

I'd vote for her before voting for Obama or Romney. Not before voting for Johnson though.

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and she'd get your vote.

The ONLY reason you'd vote for her over Obama or Romney is she has the luxury of sitting in the weeds and not having to get her hands dirty in an actual bid for anything.

No, I'd vote for her over the other two b/c her foreign policy and civil liberty positions align pretty closely with mine, unlike Obamney. On the economy and the role of government, not even close, but neither do Obamney.

[89Hen]

foreign policy

•Cut the bloated Pentagon budget by 50%.
•End use of assassination as an instrument of U.S. foreign policy, including collaborative assassination through intermediaries.
•Increase our energy security by reducing our nation's dependence on oil.
•Demilitarize U.S. foreign policy to emphasize human rights, international law, multinational diplomatic initiatives and support for democratic movements across the world.
•Restore the National Guard as the centerpiece of our defense.
•Create a nuclear free zone in the Middle East region and require all nations in area to join.
•Oppose attacks on nuclear facilities.
•Ban use of drone aircraft for assassination, bombing, and other offensive purposes.
•End the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, withdrawing both troops and military contractors.
•Make human rights and international law the basis of our policy in the Middle East.
•Join 159 other nations in signing the Ottawa treaty banning the use of anti-personnel land mines.
•Close some 140 U.S. military bases abroad.
•Initiate a new round of nuclear disarmament initiatives.

[kalm]

This. There are some very good ideas on that list.

Like 1000 monkeys on typewriters.

'I'm just a conk. Progressive policies and reforms that have historically and elsewhere been proven effective...frighten and confuse me.'

[89Hen]

Like 1000 monkeys on typewriters.

'I'm just a conk. Progressive policies and reforms that have historically and elsewhere been proven effective...frighten and confuse me.'

I think you missed the point. Should I have used the "broken clock" analogy?

[DSUrocks07]

you mean people truly believe that it matters who the President is?

[kalm]

'I'm just a conk. Progressive policies and reforms that have historically and elsewhere been proven effective...frighten and confuse me.'

I think you missed the point. Should I have used the "broken clock" analogy?

Um no.

[GSUhooligan]

•Cut the bloated Pentagon budget by 50%.

We'd still be spending 2x what China, the #2 country in military spending, spends.

•Restore the National Guard as the centerpiece of our defense.

yeah, not sure about this one

•Create a nuclear free zone in the Middle East region and require all nations in area to join.

Don't agree with this one either, but probably for the opposite reason you do; I don't think we should be meddling at all, much less "requiring" countries to do anything.

•Ban use of drone aircraft for assassination, bombing, and other offensive purposes.

Not sure about an all out ban, but using them in countries that we have not declared war on is un-American. Also, until they greatly improve their accuracy I do not like them being used in urban areas at all. Far too many cases of collateral damage which only creates more terrorists.

•Close some 140 U.S. military bases abroad.

No reason to have 140 bases abroad in the first place, much less that many to close.

[89Hen]

•Cut the bloated Pentagon budget by 50%.

We'd still be spending 2x what China, the #2 country in military spending, spends.

•Restore the National Guard as the centerpiece of our defense.

yeah, not sure about this one

•Create a nuclear free zone in the Middle East region and require all nations in area to join.

Don't agree with this one either, but probably for the opposite reason you do; I don't think we should be meddling at all, much less "requiring" countries to do anything.

•Ban use of drone aircraft for assassination, bombing, and other offensive purposes.

Not sure about an all out ban, but using them in countries that we have not declared war on is un-American. Also, until they greatly improve their accuracy I do not like them being used in urban areas at all. Far too many cases of collateral damage which only creates more terrorists.

•Close some 140 U.S. military bases abroad.

No reason to have 140 bases abroad in the first place, much less that many to close.

If we bought our weapons from China, we would cut our budget by 75%.
The National Guard as our centerpiece is not even comical, it's idiotic.
I'm laughing at the notion that we can just tell Iran, Israel and other countries to be nuclear free.
Why BAN the use of a strategic asset that keeps our men safe?
Having bases abroad is an important strategic presence.