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CID1990 wrote:I don't really care.

Nor do I much care about any other narrowly focused single issue that it seems many voters are willing to throw the baby out with the bath water over.

There are tens of millions of gay people. This is pretty big and it should have never been an issue, like it isn't in secular nations with a much higher standard of living and happiness index than America.

One more distraction the conks cant use to scare the shit out of their retarded but violent donor/voter base.
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D1B wrote:There are tens of millions of gay people.
Where?
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89Hen wrote:
D1B wrote:There are tens of millions of gay people.
Where?
Here are a few.....
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D1B wrote:
89Hen wrote: Where?
Here are a few.....
Seriously. Were you implying there are tens of millions in the US?
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89Hen wrote:
D1B wrote:
Here are a few.....
Seriously. Were you implying there are tens of millions in the US?

Yes, but I was wrong. :oops: Should have said millions.
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D1B wrote:
89Hen wrote: Seriously. Were you implying there are tens of millions in the US?

Yes, but I was wrong. :oops: Should have said millions.
Got it. :thumb:
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D1B wrote:
89Hen wrote: Seriously. Were you implying there are tens of millions in the US?

Yes, but I was wrong. :oops: Should have said millions.
D1B - You need to get new handlers to help you with your jargon.
You weren't wrong. You "inadvertantly misspoke".
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89Hen wrote: Where?
Here are a few.....
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Seriously, why the hell do you want to be able to marry Jon? Ask most straight married guys and they would say they wish straight marriage would have been illegal when their turn came along! :nod: "Sorry Babe! I'd marry you if it were only legal. What's a guy gonna do? You don't want to break the law now do you? I guess we'll just have to stay single. Darn government!" If only. :lol:
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death dealer wrote:Seriously, why the hell do you want to be able to marry Jon? Ask most straight married guys and they would say they wish straight marriage would have been illegal when their turn came along! :nod: "Sorry Babe! I'd marry you if it were only legal. What's a guy gonna do? You don't want to break the law now do you? I guess we'll just have to stay single. Darn government!" If only. :lol:
Frankly the dumbest thing I ever did was get married...

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Chizzang wrote:
death dealer wrote:Seriously, why the hell do you want to be able to marry Jon? Ask most straight married guys and they would say they wish straight marriage would have been illegal when their turn came along! :nod: "Sorry Babe! I'd marry you if it were only legal. What's a guy gonna do? You don't want to break the law now do you? I guess we'll just have to stay single. Darn government!" If only. :lol:
Frankly the dumbest thing I ever did was get married...

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death dealer wrote:Seriously, why the hell do you want to be able to marry Jon? Ask most straight married guys and they would say they wish straight marriage would have been illegal when their turn came along! :nod: "Sorry Babe! I'd marry you if it were only legal. What's a guy gonna do? You don't want to break the law now do you? I guess we'll just have to stay single. Darn government!" If only. :lol:
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dbackjon wrote:
death dealer wrote:Seriously, why the hell do you want to be able to marry Jon? Ask most straight married guys and they would say they wish straight marriage would have been illegal when their turn came along! :nod: "Sorry Babe! I'd marry you if it were only legal. What's a guy gonna do? You don't want to break the law now do you? I guess we'll just have to stay single. Darn government!" If only. :lol:
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Now, I can understand why YOU would want to get married...I can't for the life of me understand why ALEX would. :coffee: :coffee: :coffee: :coffee: :D
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Jon and Alex are still together..!!!!
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I know Dennis Jacobs. We use to serve as local counsel for one of his big clients when he was a partner at Simpson Thacher, and our firms worked together frequently before he went to the bench nearly 20 years ago.

This opinion does not surprise me at all.
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JoltinJoe wrote:I know Dennis Jacobs. We use to serve as local counsel for one of his big clients when he was a partner at Simpson Thacher, and our firms worked together frequently before he went to the bench nearly 20 years ago.

This opinion does not surprise me at all.

Name dropper :nod: :mrgreen:


And? Your opinion of the opinion?
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Chizzang wrote:Jon and Alex are still together..!!!!
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This one is pretty big step forward for LGBT rights, and human rights in general.
Oh for PETE's sake. It has nothing to do with "human rights." It has nothing to do with "rights."

A "right" is something you have that no one should be able to take from you. "Marriage" is simply a recognition. Homosexuals are not nor have they ever been denied any rights by virtue of having circumstances whereby the society does not recognize their relationships as "marriages."

Our culture has evolved into one that has a very twisted notion as to what rights are. You don't have a legitimate right to have someone else accept you or your lifestyle. You don't have a legitimate right to have someone hire you or rent a house to you or sell a house to you. You don't have a legitimate right to force someone else to engage in commerce with you. So on and so forth.

You have a right to be left alone as long as you are not positively attacking and/or impacting someone else in some way. That's it.
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dbackjon wrote:The U.S. Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit on Thursday struck down the Defense of Marriage Act, finding the Clinton-era law violates the right to equal protection guaranteed by the Constitution.

DOMA defines marriage as between a man and a woman and says states don't have to recognize same-sex marriage.

It has the practical effect of sometimes requiring gay couples to pay more federal taxes.

In striking the law down, the Second Circuit sided with a 83-year-old Edith Windsor, who was forced to pay estate taxes after the death of her wife in 2009.



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JohnStOnge wrote:
This one is pretty big step forward for LGBT rights, and human rights in general.
Oh for PETE's sake. It has nothing to do with "human rights." It has nothing to do with "rights."

A "right" is something you have that no one should be able to take from you. "Marriage" is simply a recognition. Homosexuals are not nor have they ever been denied any rights by virtue of having circumstances whereby the society does not recognize their relationships as "marriages."

Our culture has evolved into one that has a very twisted notion as to what rights are. You don't have a legitimate right to have someone else accept you or your lifestyle. You don't have a legitimate right to have someone hire you or rent a house to you or sell a house to you. You don't have a legitimate right to force someone else to engage in commerce with you. So on and so forth.

You have a right to be left alone as long as you are not positively attacking and/or impacting someone else in some way. That's it.
It is a right. Marriage is not just a regonition. It is a legal binding of two people that our country, because of bigots like you, deny because they don't love like you do.

You are the problem with 'Merica.
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It is a right. Marriage is not just a regonition. It is a legal binding of two people that our country, because of bigots like you, deny because they don't love like you do.

You are the problem with 'Merica.
You don't know what a "right" is. You trivialize it; as does everyone who who parrots the line that this is a "human rights" issue.
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dbackjon wrote:
JoltinJoe wrote:I know Dennis Jacobs. We use to serve as local counsel for one of his big clients when he was a partner at Simpson Thacher, and our firms worked together frequently before he went to the bench nearly 20 years ago.

This opinion does not surprise me at all.

Name dropper :nod: :mrgreen:


And? Your opinion of the opinion?
I haven't read it yet and won't be able to do it until this weekend.

But DOMA was always an ill-considered federal intrusion into a matter left for the states' determinations.
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JohnStOnge wrote:
It is a right. Marriage is not just a regonition. It is a legal binding of two people that our country, because of bigots like you, deny because they don't love like you do.

You are the problem with 'Merica.
You don't know what a "right" is. You trivialize it; as does everyone who who parrots the line that this is a "human rights" issue.
JSO...I don't care if they call it marriage or not. That isn't the point.

The point is that if you love someone and they die, there are currently laws that allow certain individuals to receive financial benefits that are different than another person who has a loved one die. Furthermore, our tax laws benefit some couples more than others...and those difference have nothing to do with income or productivity. It is currently based upon some folks' definition of what is a "proper" relationship.

That is bullshvt. :nod:

Of course, one could always fall back on the fact that marriage tax breaks were a way to encourage families to produce more workers for the future...but what if the straight couple were infertile...do you take away their tax break?

Bottom line...there should be no difference to the government as to what two people decide to live together and commit to a relationship. Black, white, gay, fat, idiot...it doesn't matter...people should be treated the same in the eyes of the government.

On the other hand, if Christians people don't want the idea of "marriage" to be tarnished by the unwashed masses, they should attempt to copyright the name...think of the word "Champagne". Only a man and a woman can get "married", while others can be only be joined in an "unholy union" at a small non-denominational drive through UU maker in Las Vegas...but they get to keep the tax and legal benefits of being "united" as a couple.
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Cluck U wrote:
JohnStOnge wrote:
You don't know what a "right" is. You trivialize it; as does everyone who who parrots the line that this is a "human rights" issue.
JSO...I don't care if they call it marriage or not. That isn't the point.

The point is that if you love someone and they die, there are currently laws that allow certain individuals to receive financial benefits that are different than another person who has a loved one die. Furthermore, our tax laws benefit some couples more than others...and those difference have nothing to do with income or productivity. It is currently based upon some folks' definition of what is a "proper" relationship.

That is bullshvt. :nod:

Of course, one could always fall back on the fact that marriage tax breaks were a way to encourage families to produce more workers for the future...but what if the straight couple were infertile...do you take away their tax break?

Bottom line...there should be no difference to the government as to what two people decide to live together and commit to a relationship. Black, white, gay, fat, idiot...it doesn't matter...people should be treated the same in the eyes of the government.

On the other hand, if Christians people don't want the idea of "marriage" to be tarnished by the unwashed masses, they should attempt to copyright the name...think of the word "Champagne". Only a man and a woman can get "married", while others can be only be joined in an "unholy union" at a small non-denominational drive through UU maker in Las Vegas...but they get to keep the tax and legal benefits of being "united" as a couple.
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