AZGrizFan wrote:
1) blocked FG's (2)
2) dropped punt at our own 7
3) refs with their heads firmly planted up their asses for one 3-minute span in which they called two phantom personal foul calls and then missed wildly on the TD run by Sorensen.
So, that's 6 plays in 60 minutes of football. The other 80+ plays were performed VERY well...and of those 6, 3 were referee issues and not "ability" issues.
So its all the referees fault that we played well and beat you guys? Funny that those phantom personal foul calls were quite legitimate (the leading with helmet and facemask were both visible on Griz Vision) and missed what exactly on the TD run? If it was holding I think its forgiveable since it happened on a few of your big runs as well.
Other then that your special teams as a whole played poorly and gave us opportunities that we exploited. Not trying to trash talk but to put in your math, half of the reasons why you lost on the refs is kind of ludicrous. We played tough, played hard and pulled off a win in a hostile enviroment and I had a great time seeing my first game in WA GRIZ as the fans were very classy, but dont take away a good win by SUU and blame it on the refs.
Mvemjsunpx wrote:
You're forgetting the fake punt, though. There was no reason at all to go to a telegraphed return-only formation with them punting at midfield.
I agree with most of your arguments, though. That being said, it's one thing to lose to App, NAU, and EWU—all likely playoff teams. It's another to lose to a 2-4 SUU team that was out of the playoff race at home. I like the talent of a lot of UM's coaches, but it seems they make one nonsensical bonehead decision almost every week. There was the double kickoff last week, the surprise onside against NAU, probably something I'm forgetting, and the bizarre punt return formation stuff yesterday.
Having watched Portland State for as long as I have, I can honestly say that the coaches are all idiots when their decisions do not work. When they do work, it is "a stroke of genius".
Indeed. Everyone gets pissed when we ran the flea flicker and get sacked. And yet every other time when we run it and get a TD everyone is worshiping our play calling.
...except for that punt formation. No one will ever be able to explain that one
AZGrizFan wrote:
1) blocked FG's (2)
2) dropped punt at our own 7
3) refs with their heads firmly planted up their asses for one 3-minute span in which they called two phantom personal foul calls and then missed wildly on the TD run by Sorensen.
So, that's 6 plays in 60 minutes of football. The other 80+ plays were performed VERY well...and of those 6, 3 were referee issues and not "ability" issues.
So its all the referees fault that we played well and beat you guys? Funny that those phantom personal foul calls were quite legitimate (the leading with helmet and facemask were both visible on Griz Vision) and missed what exactly on the TD run? If it was holding I think its forgiveable since it happened on a few of your big runs as well.
Other then that your special teams as a whole played poorly and gave us opportunities that we exploited. Not trying to trash talk but to put in your math, half of the reasons why you lost on the refs is kind of ludicrous. We played tough, played hard and pulled off a win in a hostile enviroment and I had a great time seeing my first game in WA GRIZ as the fans were very classy, but dont take away a good win by SUU and blame it on the refs.
Sorry you are upset but if you are going to blame the game on anything blame it on your poor offensive play calling in the 2nd half and poor Special Teams play for the entire game. You can blame the refs all you want (despite evidence to the contrary) but you wont take away the fact we beat you guys fair and square in a hard fought game.
Mvemjsunpx wrote:
I don't. The Griz had run basically every play in the second half and did the same on that one drive. Two runs and a give-up on third down were pretty standard play calls with a freshman running QB there. Eastern's offense had done pretty much nothing in the second half & UM was up 9 with about 6 minutes left, so I totally understand playing conservative & putting it in the hands of the defense there.
Really, you thought it was a good idea to put the game in the hands of a young, inexperienced secondary, who were facing on of the best receiving corps in the country?
You did see the "Eastern's offense had done pretty much nothing in the second half" part, right? Not to mention that UM's playcalling on that drive was much the same as the rest of the game. The D abandoning the blitz was a bigger concern than the offense "playing conservative" on one whole drive.
I didn't see the facemask on the second PF penalty, so I can't comment. The first looked like the wrong call, though; Tully appeared to lead with his shoulder (& the receiver clearly wasn't defenseless because he had the ball).
That being said, the defense obviously didn't have to allow the touchdown in the redzone. The Griz redzone D has been atrocious this season, which is a bit surprising with how good the front 7 is.
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Grizalltheway wrote:
Really, you thought it was a good idea to put the game in the hands of a young, inexperienced secondary, who were facing on of the best receiving corps in the country?
You did see the "Eastern's offense had done pretty much nothing in the second half" part, right? Not to mention that UM's playcalling on that drive was much the same as the rest of the game. The D abandoning the blitz was a bigger concern than the offense "playing conservative" on one whole drive.
This, although I would have liked to see them attempt a pass on the 3rd down instead of Canada running out of bounds for seemingly no reason.
But yeah. Them quitting the blitz when it was killing EWU just made no fucking sense. Mick and Gurns also noticed it and were none too pleased.
Mvemjsunpx wrote:
You did see the "Eastern's offense had done pretty much nothing in the second half" part, right? Not to mention that UM's playcalling on that drive was much the same as the rest of the game. The D abandoning the blitz was a bigger concern than the offense "playing conservative" on one whole drive.
This, although I would have liked to see them attempt a pass on the 3rd down instead of Canada running out of bounds for seemingly no reason.
But yeah. Them quitting the blitz when it was killing EWU just made no fucking sense. Mick and Gurns also noticed it and were none too pleased.
Gregorak's a fiery, but rookie D-Coordinator, and my suspicion is that he didn't trust his instincts as much as he should have there.
That second PI face mask call was complete bullshit. Harris's hand moved in front of the suu players face for like a second before grabbing his shoulder pads. He never even touched his face mask.
And Tully led with his shoulder. Should have been Griz ball. It's no guarantee that we win with those calls going correctly, but it would have prevented the TD. We got jobbed on that drive.
But it didn't matter. Our incompetence and lack of O was the main factor in our losing.
uofmman1122 wrote:That second PI face mask call was complete bullshit. Harris's hand moved in front of the suu players face for like a second before grabbing his shoulder pads. He never even touched his face mask.
And Tully led with his shoulder. Should have been Griz ball. It's no guarantee that we win with those calls going correctly, but it would have prevented the TD. We got jobbed on that drive.
But it didn't matter. Our incompetence and lack of O was the main factor in our losing.
Yep. The Griz got jobbed there, then jobbed themselves multiple times afterwards.
SUU played a decent game, but it wouldn't have been enough if Montana had committed a couple fewer unforced errors. The Griz held Sorensen in check, had two running backs go over 6 ypc, and turned it over just once (not counting the meaningless hail mary at the end)… yet they still found a way to lose.
AZGrizFan wrote:
1) blocked FG's (2)
2) dropped punt at our own 7
3) refs with their heads firmly planted up their asses for one 3-minute span in which they called two phantom personal foul calls and then missed wildly on the TD run by Sorensen.
So, that's 6 plays in 60 minutes of football. The other 80+ plays were performed VERY well...and of those 6, 3 were referee issues and not "ability" issues.
So its all the referees fault that we played well and beat you guys? Funny that those phantom personal foul calls were quite legitimate (the leading with helmet and facemask were both visible on Griz Vision) and missed what exactly on the TD run? If it was holding I think its forgiveable since it happened on a few of your big runs as well.
Other then that your special teams as a whole played poorly and gave us opportunities that we exploited. Not trying to trash talk but to put in your math, half of the reasons why you lost on the refs is kind of ludicrous. We played tough, played hard and pulled off a win in a hostile enviroment and I had a great time seeing my first game in WA GRIZ as the fans were very classy, but dont take away a good win by SUU and blame it on the refs.
You are a dumbass if you think my post "blamed it on the refs".
a) if hitting a receiver with your shoulder is now illegal, then lets put tutus on them and start playing flag football.
b) The facemask was a BS call and if you were a man, you could admit that
c) The QB was down--ON BOTH KNEES-- a full yard before he extended and layed down with the ball over the line. In any game--anywhere--that's down and the ball is placed right there. The refs fucked that up--go to egriz and look at the picture posted...it shows it clearly.
My only point in adding in the 3 plays fucked up by the refs was that there were three plays where WE screwed up, and three where the refs screwed up. 6 plays the entire game. Those go differently and who knows...
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uofmman1122 wrote:That second PI face mask call was complete bullshit. Harris's hand moved in front of the suu players face for like a second before grabbing his shoulder pads. He never even touched his face mask.
And Tully led with his shoulder. Should have been Griz ball. It's no guarantee that we win with those calls going correctly, but it would have prevented the TD. We got jobbed on that drive.
But it didn't matter. Our incompetence and lack of O was the main factor in our losing.
Yep. The Griz got jobbed there, then jobbed themselves multiple times afterwards.
SUU played a decent game, but it wouldn't have been enough if Montana had committed a couple fewer unforced errors. The Griz held Sorensen in check, had two running backs go over 6 ypc, and turned it over just once (not counting the meaningless hail mary at the end)… yet they still found a way to lose.
Seems to be the major motif of this season-find new and exciting games to piss right down their legs when they should be winning comfortably.
As was mentioned on AGS...if JJ was playing this could be an entirely different season. Guys have been open and, obviously, we can run the ball. Delaney had to know, by giving TM the reins, this would be a growing pain year. Not that any other option was better but SSH had no real experience and Kemp, well he is Kemp and Brez was coming into a brand new system. Montana lost the QB it needed this year with it's youth and fans will have to get over it for 2012. Now, if this crap happens in 2013 it will hit the fan.......
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If I have my head up my ass for pointing out a few things that happened which we clearly dont see eye to eye about go ahead and say it if it makes you feel better. I have to agree the ignorance of some of you Montana fans (seriously I looked through E-Griz and laughed my a** off) who cant take it that we won and have to find any excuse possible to explain it. I dont mind getting trash talked, especially since its just a temper tantrum.
If you read my post more accurately AZ I said according to your math in which you said 3 out of the 6 reasons, so half in regards to that. And Willie I thought you meant that there was holding on the play, never mentioned anything in regards to him being down before he crossed the line, but the same argument can be made when your made that 4th and 1 play with the option to get the first and goal...just saying.
SUUTbird wrote:If I have my head up my ass for pointing out a few things that happened which we clearly dont see eye to eye about go ahead and say it if it makes you feel better. I have to agree the ignorance of some of you Montana fans (seriously I looked through E-Griz and laughed my a** off) who cant take it that we won and have to find any excuse possible to explain it. I dont mind getting trash talked, especially since its just a temper tantrum.
If you read my post more accurately AZ I said according to your math in which you said 3 out of the 6 reasons, so half in regards to that. And Willie I thought you meant that there was holding on the play, never mentioned anything in regards to him being down before he crossed the line, but the same argument can be made when your made that 4th and 1 play with the option to get the first and goal...just saying.
My post (which you originally quoted) had nothing to do with how the "outcome of the game" was decided...it was in direct response to someone having said that our team's "abilities had fallen off a cliff". My point was that the vast majority of the game we played very good football with the exception of those three plays noted (and I'd add the fake punt as a 4th play) and the refs with their heads up their asses for one THREE MINUTE STRETCH which made us look worse than we probably are.
Not excusing the loss...not blaming the loss on refs....never said those were the "reasons we lost"...that wasn't even what my post was in reference to. YOU took it that way.
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SUUTbird wrote:If I have my head up my ass for pointing out a few things that happened which we clearly dont see eye to eye about go ahead and say it if it makes you feel better. I have to agree the ignorance of some of you Montana fans (seriously I looked through E-Griz and laughed my a** off) who cant take it that we won and have to find any excuse possible to explain it. I dont mind getting trash talked, especially since its just a temper tantrum.
If you read my post more accurately AZ I said according to your math in which you said 3 out of the 6 reasons, so half in regards to that. And Willie I thought you meant that there was holding on the play, never mentioned anything in regards to him being down before he crossed the line, but the same argument can be made when your made that 4th and 1 play with the option to get the first and goal...just saying.
The overwhelming majority of posters on eGriz blame the coaching. Some must be a very small fraction, for I don't think I read one post that said SUU didn't deserve to win.
SUUTbird wrote:If I have my head up my ass for pointing out a few things that happened which we clearly dont see eye to eye about go ahead and say it if it makes you feel better. I have to agree the ignorance of some of you Montana fans (seriously I looked through E-Griz and laughed my a** off) who cant take it that we won and have to find any excuse possible to explain it. I dont mind getting trash talked, especially since its just a temper tantrum.
If you read my post more accurately AZ I said according to your math in which you said 3 out of the 6 reasons, so half in regards to that. And Willie I thought you meant that there was holding on the play, never mentioned anything in regards to him being down before he crossed the line, but the same argument can be made when your made that 4th and 1 play with the option to get the first and goal...just saying.
Have to agree with my Griz brethren. The vast majority of eGriz posters are bashing the coaches and their choices. A lot of posters have given credit to Sorenson and the way he plays the QB position - very calm and cool. SUU won that game with a lot of hard playing and guts from your coaches play-calling. No excuses, although there were some blown calls at bad times that hurt Montana but that is in every game. 11 men at the LOS and the T'Birds still ran for a TD.......that type of play is what hurt Montana...
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SUUTbird wrote: And Willie I thought you meant that there was holding on the play, never mentioned anything in regards to him being down before he crossed the line, but the same argument can be made when your made that 4th and 1 play with the option to get the first and goal...just saying.
Oh, no. I see what you mean now.
I had to leave at the half, as the pain from the surgery I had Friday afternoon was too much to bear. So when I saw the "TD" on tv, I got pissed.
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SUUTbird wrote:If I have my head up my ass for pointing out a few things that happened which we clearly dont see eye to eye about go ahead and say it if it makes you feel better. I have to agree the ignorance of some of you Montana fans (seriously I looked through E-Griz and laughed my a** off) who cant take it that we won and have to find any excuse possible to explain it. I dont mind getting trash talked, especially since its just a temper tantrum.
If you read my post more accurately AZ I said according to your math in which you said 3 out of the 6 reasons, so half in regards to that. And Willie I thought you meant that there was holding on the play, never mentioned anything in regards to him being down before he crossed the line, but the same argument can be made when your made that 4th and 1 play with the option to get the first and goal...just saying.
The overwhelming majority of posters on eGriz blame the coaching. Some must be a very small fraction, for I don't think I read one post that said SUU didn't deserve to win.
I haven't been to egriz and absent from here for the past few days but this is how I feel about the Griz this year. (I was travelling and didn't have time to jump online, probably saved a few brain cells.) I did get to watch the entire game on TV as I was in Billings. I think the only reason I am a little down on this team is that the problem is coaching. I don't think you can point to one coach, it is multiple and they aren't improving from my standpoint. I don't care if coaches make mistakes, they just need to learn from them and make changes to improve things. I don't see that happening right now. I see the opposite happening, other coaches are seeing what we are doing and adjusting their game and shutting us down or exploiting our special teams and defense. We would be better off calling an 11 man punt block every time on punt returns with how things are going.
Again, let me say it again. I don't mind when players make mistakes or even coaches. What I don't like about the way we are headed is that we aren't getting the corrections from the coaching staff to improve things. We are headed in the wrong direction and I hope we can change it soon.
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I did get to watch the entire game on TV as I was in Billings. I think the only reason I am a little down on this team is that the problem is coaching. I don't think you can point to one coach, it is multiple and they aren't improving from my standpoint. I don't care if coaches make mistakes, they just need to learn from them and make changes to improve things. I don't see that happening right now. 
I see the opposite happening, other coaches are seeing what we are doing and adjusting their game and shutting us down or exploiting our special teams and defense. We would be better off calling an 11 man punt block every time on punt returns with how things are going.
