Biden/Ryan Debate

[JoltinJoe]

Ryan impressed me for his grace under pressure. Here he is on a stage with a doofus who debates like an internet troll, and he remained remarkably composed, professional and serious.

.....and he got beat and came off as an emotionless liar, caught up in a cult.

He did though not defend pedophiles and people who beat children.

Doesn't surprise me you think Biden won. You "debate" a lot like he does: you're both class cabooses who think you can level the playing field by being loud, being rude, and dumbing down the discussion.

[D1B]

.....and he got beat and came off as an emotionless liar, caught up in a cult.

He did though not defend pedophiles and people who beat children.

Doesn't surprise me you think Biden won. You "debate" a lot like he does: you're both class cabooses who think you can level the playing field by being loud, being rude, and dumbing down the discussion.

Most people said he won. People who tell the truth typically do.

[JoltinJoe]

Unintended irony is always the funniest.

[89Hen]

Most people said he won.

[BlueHen86]

Most people said he won.

I think he is right. I think the majority of the post debate polls favored Biden. It wasn't a slam dunk like Romney's win over Obama however. Either way, I think both candidates accomplished their goals. Biden attacked and Ryan kept his cool. In today's age of spin, both sides will claim victory.

[D1B]

Unintended irony is always the funniest.

Defending pedophiles and child torturers is always pathetic.

[eagleskins]

Biden two holed Ryan prison style.

[Fresno St. Alum]

My wife makes good money(63,200, yr 9,) at year 20 she'll max out at 85,000 but it will go up, when she started max pay at yr 20 was 79,000, enough where I retired at 32, 3 years ago. The union is like protection vs. Petty administrators that think they're god. My buddy had been teaching for 10 years(jr high), then district found out his son who lives w/ his ex was playing high school fb for the rival school so he became O-Line coach for his son's high school team, they moved him to the school in the district that is in the mountains 1/2 hour further from the rest of the schools and made sure he couldn't make it to practice in time so he couldn't coach his son. Another, admin was cheating on his wife w/ the sex ed teacher, she started talking to a different teacher, he was gone the next year, even though he was tenure. Admin said they'd call of the dogs if he just left. Same call of the dogs thing happened to my former classmate, she killed herself 2 months after they got rid of her.

Gil there is no need for us to talk politics we are brothers in Green Bay Packer love . I'm an owner/shareholder, did you buy a share this time around or in 1997?

For every story you come up with about some administrators, one can come up with far more stories about poor teachers.

PS - you're classmate was weak...anyone who offs themself should not be a teacher or a role model. It is actually a good thing she isn't teaching...probably would whine about how helpless people are in the face of adversity. That's not the type of thinking we need in our schools. It is better for the children that you got out also.

It's your not you're. The world would be better if you were educated. I love when the village idiot tells me what I should and shouldn't do. PS I still give the high school exit exam, something you aren't smart enough to pass. I don't knock your job of greeting people at walmart

[D1B]

Biden two holed Ryan prison style.

Ryan - know-it-all diminutive, pipsqueak caught up in several cults, would kill millions of people if the pope or Dick Cheney told to him to.

[YoUDeeMan]

It's your not you're. The world would be better if you were educated. I love when the village idiot tells me what I should and shouldn't do. PS I still give the high school exit exam, something you aren't smart enough to pass. I don't knock your job of greeting people at walmart

Your right, I got that one wrong...way to focus on the trivial things. Spelling errors.

Confession time: I got a C in typing - damned pinky key always got stuck on the old metal dinosaurs we had in 8th grade - so I can live with a few errors while trying to make up time. Hey, maybe I need some counseling to help me escape the shame of it all...that healthcare system you propose better have something in it for me!

No, it wasn't your typing errors that were frightening, it was your thinking and the way you expressed yourself. "Village idiot", "greeting people at walmart" (Wal-Mart....oooooooooooooooooooooooooh, zingy, zingy ), and administering high school exit exams...all impressive feats of...well...not really anything. And sitting on your butt while your wife earns all of...what was it, $69,000? Woo-wheee! You're living the dream Fresno St. Alum...putting that degree to it's proper use!

Seriously, you do nothing of value while publicly displaying your laziness and ignorance to the world, while your wife slaves to pay the bills (under, according to you, overpaid and out of touch administrators...who happen to be smart enough to earn more than you or your wife), and you, super productive genius man, compain about wanting to take more money from other people?

Wait....those other people with more money than you deserve to be taxed more because they didn't really "earn" their money, did they? Not like you, couch man, are working hard to earn yours.



What's the matter, couldn't make it under those bad administrators or figure out how to get a smarter, wealthier girl to marry your lazy azz, could you?

[Fresno St. Alum]

It's your not you're. The world would be better if you were educated. I love when the village idiot tells me what I should and shouldn't do. PS I still give the high school exit exam, something you aren't smart enough to pass. I don't knock your job of greeting people at walmart

Your right, I got that one wrong...way to focus on the trivial things. Spelling errors.

Confession time: I got a C in typing - damned pinky key always got stuck on the old metal dinosaurs we had in 8th grade - so I can live with a few errors while trying to make up time. Hey, maybe I need some counseling to help me escape the shame of it all...that healthcare system you propose better have something in it for me!

No, it wasn't your typing errors that were frightening, it was your thinking and the way you expressed yourself. "Village idiot", "greeting people at walmart" (Wal-Mart....oooooooooooooooooooooooooh, zingy, zingy ), and administering high school exit exams...all impressive feats of...well...not really anything. And sitting on your butt while your wife earns all of...what was it, $69,000? Woo-wheee! You're living the dream Fresno St. Alum...putting that degree it's proper use!

Seriously, you do nothing of value while publicly displaying your laziness and ignorance to the world, while your wife slaves to pay the bills (under, according to you, overpaid and out of touch administrators...who happen to be smart enough to earn more than you or your wife), and you, super productive genius man, compain about wanting to take more money from other people?

Wait....those other people with more money than you deserve to be taxed more because they didn't really "earn" their money, did they? Not like you, couch man, are working hard to earn yours.



What's the matter, couldn't make it under those bad administrators or figure out how to get a smarter, wealthier girl to marry your lazy azz, could you?

Dumb shit, I take care of my 3 year old and 7 month old. Hardly sitting on my ass like you do all day pondering what parts of my rant can and can't work in America(I believe a dem. reported got scolded by Americ for saying Ann Romney didn't work a day in her life, she was a stay at home mom, most of America knows that's real work, that you don't get paid for). I invested smart and got out while the getting was good, so we have no mortgage on our house and a good hunk of money in the bank. I chose to be a stay at home dad because we can afford it and my wife and I didn't want our kids in daycare. The admin likes me just fine and keep asking my wife to switch to the district I'm in, but she likes where she is and it pays more. You wouldn't know about taking care of kids because you can't get a woman to fuck you let alone date you

My wife was offered a learning director job more than once, but she'd rather be in the classroom helping the kids. Some people choose to make less money and actually help others over taking a money grab. If you actually want to know, who, what I am I can discuss w/ you civilly if you want to just bash me and I bash you back we can do that too. If we needed the money maybe she might have had to think really hard before turning down the LD job. They start 75K so it's not that big of jump. Superintendent makes 119K or something like that.

Yes and in the summer I just sat on my ass if that's what you call lowering the ground of your back yard by 4 inches and laying 1,000 sq. ft. of field turf, ripping out an old and putting in a new back fence, laying 55 bags of concrete to attach my patio to the other cement area. I also ripped out the front grass and made a dry creek bed w/ boulders and desert plants, along w/ a floor in the kitchen. I didn't put on the new roof. You know me sooooooooooo well. Have fun pondering what to say next as you write my autobiography for me.

when you put you're where your belongs it makes you sound stupid, walmart vs. Wal-Mart doesn't. It's like saying Packers or packers. I'm sure you don't know the their, there, they're or our, are.

[SeattleGriz]

Your right, I got that one wrong...way to focus on the trivial things. Spelling errors.

Confession time: I got a C in typing - damned pinky key always got stuck on the old metal dinosaurs we had in 8th grade - so I can live with a few errors while trying to make up time. Hey, maybe I need some counseling to help me escape the shame of it all...that healthcare system you propose better have something in it for me!

No, it wasn't your typing errors that were frightening, it was your thinking and the way you expressed yourself. "Village idiot", "greeting people at walmart" (Wal-Mart....oooooooooooooooooooooooooh, zingy, zingy ), and administering high school exit exams...all impressive feats of...well...not really anything. And sitting on your butt while your wife earns all of...what was it, $69,000? Woo-wheee! You're living the dream Fresno St. Alum...putting that degree it's proper use!

Seriously, you do nothing of value while publicly displaying your laziness and ignorance to the world, while your wife slaves to pay the bills (under, according to you, overpaid and out of touch administrators...who happen to be smart enough to earn more than you or your wife), and you, super productive genius man, compain about wanting to take more money from other people?

Wait....those other people with more money than you deserve to be taxed more because they didn't really "earn" their money, did they? Not like you, couch man, are working hard to earn yours.



What's the matter, couldn't make it under those bad administrators or figure out how to get a smarter, wealthier girl to marry your lazy azz, could you?

Dumb shit, I take care of my 3 year old and 7 month old. Hardly sitting on my ass like you do all day pondering what parts of my rant can and can't work in America(I believe a dem. reported got scolded by Americ for saying Ann Romney didn't work a day in her life, she was a stay at home mom, most of America knows that's real work, that you don't get paid for). I invested smart and got out while the getting was good, so we have no mortgage on our house and a good hunk of money in the bank. I chose to be a stay at home dad because we can afford it and my wife and I didn't want our kids in daycare. The admin likes me just fine and keep asking my wife to switch to the district I'm in, but she likes where she is and it pays more. You wouldn't know about taking care of kids because you can't get a woman to fuck you let alone date you

My wife was offered a learning director job more than once, but she'd rather be in the classroom helping the kids. Some people choose to make less money and actually help others over taking a money grab. If you actually want to know, who, what I am I can discuss w/ you civilly if you want to just bash me and I bash you back we can do that too. If we needed the money maybe she might have had to think really hard before turning down the LD job. They start 75K so it's not that big of jump. Superintendent makes 119K or something like that.

Yes and in the summer I just sat on my ass if that's what you call lowering the ground of your back yard by 4 inches and laying 1,000 sq. ft. of field turf, ripping out an old and putting in a new back fence, laying 55 bags of concrete to attach my patio to the other cement area. I also ripped out the front grass and made a dry creek bed w/ boulders and desert plants, along w/ a floor in the kitchen. I didn't put on the new roof. You know me sooooooooooo well. Have fun pondering what to say next as you write my autobiography for me.

when you put you're where your belongs it makes you sound stupid, walmart vs. Wal-Mart doesn't. It's like saying Packers or packers. I'm sure you don't know the their, there, they're or our, are.

See? Lazy!!

[kalm]

Your right, I got that one wrong...way to focus on the trivial things. Spelling errors.

Confession time: I got a C in typing - damned pinky key always got stuck on the old metal dinosaurs we had in 8th grade - so I can live with a few errors while trying to make up time. Hey, maybe I need some counseling to help me escape the shame of it all...that healthcare system you propose better have something in it for me!

No, it wasn't your typing errors that were frightening, it was your thinking and the way you expressed yourself. "Village idiot", "greeting people at walmart" (Wal-Mart....oooooooooooooooooooooooooh, zingy, zingy ), and administering high school exit exams...all impressive feats of...well...not really anything. And sitting on your butt while your wife earns all of...what was it, $69,000? Woo-wheee! You're living the dream Fresno St. Alum...putting that degree it's proper use!

Seriously, you do nothing of value while publicly displaying your laziness and ignorance to the world, while your wife slaves to pay the bills (under, according to you, overpaid and out of touch administrators...who happen to be smart enough to earn more than you or your wife), and you, super productive genius man, compain about wanting to take more money from other people?

Wait....those other people with more money than you deserve to be taxed more because they didn't really "earn" their money, did they? Not like you, couch man, are working hard to earn yours.



What's the matter, couldn't make it under those bad administrators or figure out how to get a smarter, wealthier girl to marry your lazy azz, could you?

Dumb shit, I take care of my 3 year old and 7 month old. Hardly sitting on my ass like you do all day pondering what parts of my rant can and can't work in America(I believe a dem. reported got scolded by Americ for saying Ann Romney didn't work a day in her life, she was a stay at home mom, most of America knows that's real work, that you don't get paid for). I invested smart and got out while the getting was good, so we have no mortgage on our house and a good hunk of money in the bank. I chose to be a stay at home dad because we can afford it and my wife and I didn't want our kids in daycare. The admin likes me just fine and keep asking my wife to switch to the district I'm in, but she likes where she is and it pays more. You wouldn't know about taking care of kids because you can't get a woman to fuck you let alone date you

My wife was offered a learning director job more than once, but she'd rather be in the classroom helping the kids. Some people choose to make less money and actually help others over taking a money grab. If you actually want to know, who, what I am I can discuss w/ you civilly if you want to just bash me and I bash you back we can do that too. If we needed the money maybe she might have had to think really hard before turning down the LD job. They start 75K so it's not that big of jump. Superintendent makes 119K or something like that.

Yes and in the summer I just sat on my ass if that's what you call lowering the ground of your back yard by 4 inches and laying 1,000 sq. ft. of field turf, ripping out an old and putting in a new back fence, laying 55 bags of concrete to attach my patio to the other cement area. I also ripped out the front grass and made a dry creek bed w/ boulders and desert plants, along w/ a floor in the kitchen. I didn't put on the new roof. You know me sooooooooooo well. Have fun pondering what to say next as you write my autobiography for me.

when you put you're where your belongs it makes you sound stupid, walmart vs. Wal-Mart doesn't. It's like saying Packers or packers. I'm sure you don't know the their, there, they're or our, are.

No shit Cluckster. Nothing wrong with choosing to be a stay at home parent if you can afford it. I know a few and society is much better for it. You're kind of jumping the shark here.

[Fresno St. Alum]

Dumb shit, I take care of my 3 year old and 7 month old. Hardly sitting on my ass like you do all day pondering what parts of my rant can and can't work in America(I believe a dem. reported got scolded by Americ for saying Ann Romney didn't work a day in her life, she was a stay at home mom, most of America knows that's real work, that you don't get paid for). I invested smart and got out while the getting was good, so we have no mortgage on our house and a good hunk of money in the bank. I chose to be a stay at home dad because we can afford it and my wife and I didn't want our kids in daycare. The admin likes me just fine and keep asking my wife to switch to the district I'm in, but she likes where she is and it pays more. You wouldn't know about taking care of kids because you can't get a woman to fuck you let alone date you

My wife was offered a learning director job more than once, but she'd rather be in the classroom helping the kids. Some people choose to make less money and actually help others over taking a money grab. If you actually want to know, who, what I am I can discuss w/ you civilly if you want to just bash me and I bash you back we can do that too. If we needed the money maybe she might have had to think really hard before turning down the LD job. They start 75K so it's not that big of jump. Superintendent makes 119K or something like that.

Yes and in the summer I just sat on my ass if that's what you call lowering the ground of your back yard by 4 inches and laying 1,000 sq. ft. of field turf, ripping out an old and putting in a new back fence, laying 55 bags of concrete to attach my patio to the other cement area. I also ripped out the front grass and made a dry creek bed w/ boulders and desert plants, along w/ a floor in the kitchen. I didn't put on the new roof. You know me sooooooooooo well. Have fun pondering what to say next as you write my autobiography for me.

when you put you're where your belongs it makes you sound stupid, walmart vs. Wal-Mart doesn't. It's like saying Packers or packers. I'm sure you don't know the their, there, they're or our, are.

See? Lazy!!

doh! I also put in 91 sq ft of pavers for the fire pit area w/ a horseshoe of boulders around it. However I was given the fire pit, I know I know, lazy. I was going to rip off my own roof but the neighbor told me it wasn't worth it, renting the dumpster and time. He did his own. He hired me to do the part of the fence where our yards meet.

[JohnStOnge]

As I recall polls of all viewers suggested it was kind of a draw and a CBS poll among voters who said they were undecided suggested undecided voters thought Biden won. But there's a couple of things about that.

One thing is that I didn't hear about a poll regarding the question of whether or not the debate would make one more likely to vote for either ticket. It's possible, for example, that someone could think Biden won because he was more aggressive yet still be turned off by the aggression. And as time goes on I'm seeing things that make me think Biden hurt himself by acting as he reportedly did. A lot of people appear to think he acted like a buffoon.

Me, I didn't see it. And the reason is that I never watch these debates. I think that the fact that they have impact is kind of an indictment of the American voting public. They are not about substance. They are about style. Ronald Reagan says "I paid for this microphone." Lloyd Benston disses Dan Qualye with the "you're no Jack Kennedy" remark. George H.W. Bush looks at his watch. Al Gore walks over and gets to close too George W. Bush.

Now Obama "looks tired" then Biden "laughs and interrupts." And that's what determines who won. It's a waste of time. They shouldn't even have them. And if anybody lets them influence their voting decision they're an idiot.

[kalm]

As I recall polls of all viewers suggested it was kind of a draw and a CBS poll among voters who said they were undecided suggested undecided voters thought Biden won. But there's a couple of things about that.

One thing is that I didn't hear about a poll regarding the question of whether or not the debate would make one more likely to vote for either ticket. It's possible, for example, that someone could think Biden won because he was more aggressive yet still be turned off by the aggression. And as time goes on I'm seeing things that make me think Biden hurt himself by acting as he reportedly did. A lot of people appear to think he acted like a buffoon.

Me, I didn't see it. And the reason is that I never watch these debates. I think that the fact that they have impact is kind of an indictment of the American voting public. They are not about substance. They are about style. Ronald Reagan says "I paid for this microphone." Lloyd Benston disses Dan Qualye with the "you're no Jack Kennedy" remark. George H.W. Bush looks at his watch. Al Gore walks over and gets to close too George W. Bush.

Now Obama "looks tired" then Biden "laughs and interrupts." And that's what determines who won. It's a waste of time. They shouldn't even have them. And if anybody lets them influence their voting decision they're an idiot.

Totally agree. They are all full of shit and have spent the last 2 years expressing their "ideas".

[CAA Flagship]

I also put in 91 sq ft of pavers for the fire pit area w/ a horseshoe of boulders around it. However I was given the fire pit....

While I like the idea of being able to move the fire pit to different locations to suit the conditions (wind direction, number of people, etc.), I like the idea of a "built-in" pit. Did you consider building the pit within the pavers?

[Fresno St. Alum]

I also put in 91 sq ft of pavers for the fire pit area w/ a horseshoe of boulders around it. However I was given the fire pit....

While I like the idea of being able to move the fire pit to different locations to suit the conditions (wind direction, number of people, etc.), I like the idea of a "built-in" pit. Did you consider building the pit within the pavers?

I got red brick like pavers, I would need to get cooler looking ones to make a paver pit look good. Wind, not really a factor, I have 2 pine trees and a pistachio tree blocking the western wind along w/ the fence. I made paver plant beds for my cousin and I liked the look. I probably didn't give the paver pit too much thought w/ all of the projects going on 1 after the other. Fence, lowering the yard 4 in, 10 chevy/tacoma truckloads of river rock, cement, dg/sand base/field turf/ 1 ton of sand brushed into the top of the turf, paver border around river rocks, leveling paver area put in pavers, boulder border, put in fire pit free from aunt, tore out ugly 3 70s looking s curve patio posts and put 2 4x4 wood posts, opening it up. Went on to the front, killed the grass, tore it out, dug dry creek area, put in stepping stones, within the creek bed, small river rocks for creek bed, boulders on the borders, some desert plants. Went on to the kitchen floor.

[ASUMountaineer]

Ryan impressed me for his grace under pressure. Here he is on a stage with a doofus who debates like an internet troll, and he remained remarkably composed, professional and serious.

.....and he got beat and came off as an emotionless liar, caught up in a cult.

He did though not defend pedophiles and people who beat children.

And yet, here's your hero on Ash Wednesday.

[ASUMountaineer]

Biden two holed Ryan prison style.

Ryan - know-it-all diminutive, pipsqueak caught up in several cults, would kill millions of people if the pope or Dick Cheney told to him to.

And yet, here's your hero on Ash Wednesday.

[YoUDeeMan]

No shit Cluckster. Nothing wrong with choosing to be a stay at home parent if you can afford it. I know a few and society is much better for it. You're kind of jumping the shark here.

Nah...and you should agree with me here, probewongressive one.

The issue isn't whether Fresno St. Bulldozer is a stay at home parent...more power to him if he volunteers to put that much effort into his patio...I mean, kids. Kids deserve to have more of their parent's time and energy.

The issue is that he makes a CHOICE to not work, and yet he wants to take money away (TAX THE RICH...pure genius) from someone else to make things happen. He COULD work (except he seems to have a problem with authority and certainly doesn't seem bright enough to actually make a business for himself), but he doesn't WANT to work.

That's no better than an uneducated street bum laying around saying he deserves some of yore money to make things better.

[kalm]

No shit Cluckster. Nothing wrong with choosing to be a stay at home parent if you can afford it. I know a few and society is much better for it. You're kind of jumping the shark here.

Nah...and you should agree with me here, probewongressive one.

The issue isn't whether Fresno St. Bulldozer is a stay at home parent...more power to him if he volunteers to put that much effort into his patio...I mean, kids. Kids deserve to have more of their parent's time and energy.

The issue is that he makes a CHOICE to not work, and yet he wants to take money away (TAX THE RICH...pure genius) from someone else to make things happen. He COULD work (except he seems to have a problem with authority and certainly doesn't seem bright enough to actually make a business for himself), but he doesn't WANT to work.

That's no better than an uneducated street bum laying around saying he deserves some of yore money to make things better.

That all depends on the productivity level of those who have the money. You could make a case that the average stay at home parent who not only takes care of the kids, but manages the family's finances, grows a garden, lays a few bricks, cans vegetables, cuts out coupons, etc and who's annual output x savings to the family would be equivalent to a six figure salary has a greater benefit to the real economy than a bankster making 10's of millions by pushing money around.

[Fresno St. Alum]

No shit Cluckster. Nothing wrong with choosing to be a stay at home parent if you can afford it. I know a few and society is much better for it. You're kind of jumping the shark here.

Nah...and you should agree with me here, probewongressive one.

The issue isn't whether Fresno St. Bulldozer is a stay at home parent...more power to him if he volunteers to put that much effort into his patio...I mean, kids. Kids deserve to have more of their parent's time and energy.

The issue is that he makes a CHOICE to not work, and yet he wants to take money away (TAX THE RICH...pure genius) from someone else to make things happen. He COULD work (except he seems to have a problem with authority and certainly doesn't seem bright enough to actually make a business for himself), but he doesn't WANT to work.

That's no better than an uneducated street bum laying around saying he deserves some of yore money to make things better.

You keep thinking that I should or need to go into business. I don't, we have plenty on money, we don't abuse the system. I designed my avatar, and make those helmets for the guys in my fantasy football league, if I wanted I could charge people for me to make them a helmet, just as Willie could charge to make our sigs. We need taxes to pay for teachers, cops, fire department, roads. You don't waive a magic wand and everything is paid for. I don't have a problem w/ my admins, I can go back as a full time sub whenever I want, I stay on the pay roll by giving the exit exams while I'm a stay at home dad. Funny that you think I'm not "bright" enough to "make," you mean create a business, yet you struggle to put a sentence together. Warren Buffet must not be bright either, since he's a successful business man who thinks he should pay more taxes, and be taxed at a higher rate than his secretary, which he currently doesn't.

News flash, teachers get summers off, so my wife watches the kids while I do projects. If a project needs to get done during the school year, I do it on a weekend. Way to think that one through, genius.

[Fresno St. Alum]