Griz Reign IS Officially Over...

[Grizalltheway]

Funny that a bunch of folks want Rosenbach fired. He is a good coach and had very prolific offenses at EWU. The thing is, he's not an option-spread guy. He's a pro-style guy. I said that before the season, but no one listened.

Montana just needs to find a good Qb and go back to a pro-style offense.


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Not really. This offense would be unstoppable with Johnson at the helm and the right coaches.

[Mvemjsunpx]

Funny that a bunch of folks want Rosenbach fired. He is a good coach and had very prolific offenses at EWU. The thing is, he's not an option-spread guy. He's a pro-style guy. I said that before the season, but no one listened.

Montana just needs to find a good Qb and go back to a pro-style offense.


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Not really. This offense would be unstoppable with Johnson at the helm and the right coaches.

I fail to see how it'd be unstoppable. It wasn't unstoppable last year, and the receiving corps is weaker this year (especially with Gratton out as he was today).

And Johnson isn't likely going to be at the helm, so…

[uofmman1122]

Apparently one of our D Linemen had to be restrained after an altercation with coach Delaney after the game...

What a mess.

[Grizalltheway]

Not really. This offense would be unstoppable with Johnson at the helm and the right coaches.

I fail to see how it'd be unstoppable. It wasn't unstoppable last year, and the receiving corps is weaker this year (especially with Gratton out as he was today).

And Johnson isn't likely going to be at the helm, so…

Okay, that was probably the booze talking, but I personally liked what we were doing offensively under Pflugrad vs Hauck/Phenicie's system.

[Mvemjsunpx]

I fail to see how it'd be unstoppable. It wasn't unstoppable last year, and the receiving corps is weaker this year (especially with Gratton out as he was today).

And Johnson isn't likely going to be at the helm, so…

Okay, that was probably the booze talking, but I personally liked what we were doing offensively under Pflugrad vs Hauck/Phenicie's system.

I liked what the Griz were doing, too, but the personnel isn't quite the same. That being said, the Griz are averaging about 450 ypg, so maybe the O isn't as bad as we think. IMO, the flaw with the spread is goal line stuff & short-yardage stuff—constant shotgun just doesn't seem to do as well in those scenarios. I know the staff doesn't want to go under center, but maybe they should try adding in some pistol stuff to get a little more downward running momentum for short yardage situations.

The problem this game was the all-or-nothing stuff. Nearly every time the Griz got a decent gain (7+ yards), they got nothing the next play. To me, it seems that—when the players execute right & make the right decisions—it's gold because of UM's athletic advantage. They just need to do it more often.

[uofmman1122]

Okay, that was probably the booze talking, but I personally liked what we were doing offensively under Pflugrad vs Hauck/Phenicie's system.

I liked what the Griz were doing, too, but the personnel isn't quite the same. That being said, the Griz are averaging about 450 ypg, so maybe the O isn't as bad as we think. IMO, the flaw with the spread is goal line stuff & short-yardage stuff—constant shotgun just doesn't seem to do as well in those scenarios. I know the staff doesn't want to go under center, but maybe they should try adding in some pistol stuff to get a little more downward running momentum for short yardage situations.

The problem this game was the all-or-nothing stuff. Nearly every time the Griz got a decent gain (7+ yards), they got nothing the next play. To me, it seems that—when the players execute right & make the right decisions—it's gold because of UM's athletic advantage. They just need to do it more often.

It think this was just McKinney making the wrong reads in the 2nd half, which was the absolute opposite during the EWU game.

We'd have a long RB run, then Trent would have a wide open lane to run himself, but he almost never kept it in the 2nd half. Contrast that with EWU, he made the right read almost every time, which caused the defenders to hesitate and second-guess their reads. The SUU players were crashing the RB every time, and he happened to have it 90% of the time.

[Mvemjsunpx]

It think this was just McKinney making the wrong reads in the 2nd half, which was the absolute opposite during the EWU game.

We'd have a long RB run, then Trent would have a wide open lane to run himself, but he almost never kept it in the 2nd half. Contrast that with EWU, he made the right read almost every time, which caused the defenders to hesitate and second-guess their reads. The SUU players were crashing the RB every time, and he happened to have it 90% of the time.

Yes, I noticed this as well. He's been reluctant to keep the ball most of the season.

[Grizalltheway]

It think this was just McKinney making the wrong reads in the 2nd half, which was the absolute opposite during the EWU game.

We'd have a long RB run, then Trent would have a wide open lane to run himself, but he almost never kept it in the 2nd half. Contrast that with EWU, he made the right read almost every time, which caused the defenders to hesitate and second-guess their reads. The SUU players were crashing the RB every time, and he happened to have it 90% of the time.

Yes, I noticed this as well. He's been reluctant to keep the ball most of the season.

That might come back to coaching, as well. Either that, or he's self conscious because Alpha keeps calling him a running back...

[Screamin_Eagle174]

Yes, I noticed this as well. He's been reluctant to keep the ball most of the season.

That might come back to coaching, as well. Either that, or he's self conscious because Alpha keeps calling him a running back...

[EWURanger]

Fact - Alpha don't know shiaaat.


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[SeattleGriz]

Need to fire both the offensive and defensive coordinator.

Wait, how did Rosenbach & Gregorak lose this game? Especially Gregorak: the Griz D got a ton of sacks and denied the big play; SUU only drove the field once the entire game. Keep in mind the Griz secondary is very young & you don't want them on islands very often, especially with a QB like Sorensen.


Special teams coaching & executive decision making were the real problems (aside from the usual freshman/sophomore inconsistency stuff, both that's pretty much a given with the personnel the Griz have). Montana's special teams were humming along pretty nice coming in, then they decide to totally switch things up with some weird, gimmicky punt return/block formations (pulling all of the blockers back about 5 yards off the line before the snap) that I'd never seen before. They used that return-only formation twice when SUU was punting from around midfield. Why are you setting up a heavy return formation that is basically conceding the fake when the other team is punting from your territory and you aren't gonna get much of a return anyway? That led to a muff inside the 10 and the gimme fake punt that effectively won the game (aside from SUU's kicker making a tough kick to cash in).

Delaney & co. seem to really struggle with clock management. The Griz neglected to use a timeout when SUU was punting late in the first half and Montana ended up settling for a long field goal (blocked) instead of having a real good chance at a TD. Also, the 2-minute drive attempts after SUU took the 23-20 lead were awful. There was no urgency or up-tempo play at all; I think the offense ran off 25 seconds between the first two plays.

Was it my imagination, or did UM let Southern Utah score on the last touchdown run. If so, that was really stupid because the Griz had 3 timeouts and could've gotten the ball back without falling behind by two scores.



The Griz are not officially dead yet, though. Three opponents with lousy run defenses loom and, if the Griz can turn things around enough to win those, that sets up a Bobcat game with playoff possibilities on the line.

I know they are not dead yet, but please tell me how our abilities just dropped off a cliff? I know we are young, but all those guys got playing time last year.

How is it that Rosenbach is a former NFL QB, and yet our QB isn't trusted to throw the ball deep but two or three times a game?

Don't get me started on Gregorak. I could hold teams to 27.2 points a game with the talent we have.

It is the coaching issue we all feared. Dumbasses at the helm.

[Grizalltheway]

Wait, how did Rosenbach & Gregorak lose this game? Especially Gregorak: the Griz D got a ton of sacks and denied the big play; SUU only drove the field once the entire game. Keep in mind the Griz secondary is very young & you don't want them on islands very often, especially with a QB like Sorensen.


Special teams coaching & executive decision making were the real problems (aside from the usual freshman/sophomore inconsistency stuff, both that's pretty much a given with the personnel the Griz have). Montana's special teams were humming along pretty nice coming in, then they decide to totally switch things up with some weird, gimmicky punt return/block formations (pulling all of the blockers back about 5 yards off the line before the snap) that I'd never seen before. They used that return-only formation twice when SUU was punting from around midfield. Why are you setting up a heavy return formation that is basically conceding the fake when the other team is punting from your territory and you aren't gonna get much of a return anyway? That led to a muff inside the 10 and the gimme fake punt that effectively won the game (aside from SUU's kicker making a tough kick to cash in).

Delaney & co. seem to really struggle with clock management. The Griz neglected to use a timeout when SUU was punting late in the first half and Montana ended up settling for a long field goal (blocked) instead of having a real good chance at a TD. Also, the 2-minute drive attempts after SUU took the 23-20 lead were awful. There was no urgency or up-tempo play at all; I think the offense ran off 25 seconds between the first two plays.

Was it my imagination, or did UM let Southern Utah score on the last touchdown run. If so, that was really stupid because the Griz had 3 timeouts and could've gotten the ball back without falling behind by two scores.



The Griz are not officially dead yet, though. Three opponents with lousy run defenses loom and, if the Griz can turn things around enough to win those, that sets up a Bobcat game with playoff possibilities on the line.

I know they are not dead yet, but please tell me how our abilities just dropped off a cliff? I know we are young, but all those guys got playing time last year.

How is it that Rosenbach is a former NFL QB, and yet our QB isn't trusted to throw the ball deep but two or three times a game?

Don't get me started on Gregorak. I could hold teams to 27.2 points a game with the talent we have.

It is the coaching issue we all feared. Dumbasses at the helm.

Give it a fucking rest, dude. He may be a septuagenarian, but I doubt you'd call Mick a dumbass to his face.

[SeattleGriz]

I know they are not dead yet, but please tell me how our abilities just dropped off a cliff? I know we are young, but all those guys got playing time last year.

How is it that Rosenbach is a former NFL QB, and yet our QB isn't trusted to throw the ball deep but two or three times a game?

Don't get me started on Gregorak. I could hold teams to 27.2 points a game with the talent we have.

It is the coaching issue we all feared. Dumbasses at the helm.

Give it a fucking rest, dude. He may be a septuagenarian, but I doubt you'd call Mick a dumbass to his face.

I actually am not talking about Mick. I believe Mick is doing his job, and that job was to clean up and give stability to the team. I am talking about the coordinators.

[dbackjon]

Really? You think Montana will be the fourth team in at 7-4 and not NAU?
NAU is 5-1. Which 3 teams are gonna beat NAU? UCD that just barely beat Idaho State? or maybe winless Idaho State or Northern Colorado?
Or maybe SUU or Cal Poly both of whom they play at home.

How many brewskis did you have after your big win over the cats? Congrats by the way but I think that red rug is given off some biochemical fumes that have distorted your ability to reason.

SUU will be a test, that's by no stretch going to be a gimme, and right now Cal Poly is playing the best football in the conference and have the best overall record. So, as of right now you won't be favored in that game. UC Davis isn't great, but they're no push-over, either (see last week's MSU game). UNC and ISU are no-brainers...but, the other three not so much. One thing's for sure, NAU really got over by not having to play MSU or EWU this season.

NAU definitely has a much better chance at the playoffs than UM. All I was saying is that you can never count them out and I think they are in at 7-4.

But there's still a ton of different possibilities that involve other teams, too. We'll know a lot more in a couple weeks.


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So, even if NAU goes 7-4, and Montana, a team NAU beat on the road, you'd put them in over NAU?


While I never count a win before the final horn, NAU has a favorable schedule left - UCD, SUU and Cal Poly at home, ISU and UNC on the road.

And you have it wrong - EWU and especially MSU lucked out not having to play NAU this year

NAU has beaten MSU more than they beat us

[Grizalltheway]

SUU will be a test, that's by no stretch going to be a gimme, and right now Cal Poly is playing the best football in the conference and have the best overall record. So, as of right now you won't be favored in that game. UC Davis isn't great, but they're no push-over, either (see last week's MSU game). UNC and ISU are no-brainers...but, the other three not so much. One thing's for sure, NAU really got over by not having to play MSU or EWU this season.

NAU definitely has a much better chance at the playoffs than UM. All I was saying is that you can never count them out and I think they are in at 7-4.

But there's still a ton of different possibilities that involve other teams, too. We'll know a lot more in a couple weeks.


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So, even if NAU goes 7-4, and Montana, a team NAU beat on the road, you'd put them in over NAU?


While I never count a win before the final horn, NAU has a favorable schedule left - UCD, SUU and Cal Poly at home, ISU and UNC on the road.

And you have it wrong - EWU and especially MSU lucked out not having to play NAU this year

NAU has beaten MSU more than they beat us

I think this sums up the whole thing pretty well:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qwq7BYOnDrM[/youtube]

[AZGrizFan]

Need to fire both the offensive and defensive coordinator.

Do everyone else see how easy it is to fall from the top? It only takes one move.

Georgia Southern fans are nodding their heads in agreement across America right now...

[AZGrizFan]

I know they are not dead yet, but please tell me how our abilities just dropped off a cliff? I know we are young, but all those guys got playing time last year.

I can't answer the rest of your questions, but our abilities didn't "drop off a cliff". This game hinged on about 4 plays:

1) blocked FG's (2)
2) dropped punt at our own 7
3) refs with their heads firmly planted up their asses for one 3-minute span in which they called two phantom personal foul calls and then missed wildly on the TD run by Sorensen.

So, that's 6 plays in 60 minutes of football. The other 80+ plays were performed VERY well...and of those 6, 3 were referee issues and not "ability" issues.

[Mvemjsunpx]

I know they are not dead yet, but please tell me how our abilities just dropped off a cliff? I know we are young, but all those guys got playing time last year.

I can't answer the rest of your questions, but our abilities didn't "drop off a cliff". This game hinged on about 4 plays:

1) blocked FG's (2)
2) dropped punt at our own 7
3) refs with their heads firmly planted up their asses for one 3-minute span in which they called two phantom personal foul calls and then missed wildly on the TD run by Sorensen.

So, that's 6 plays in 60 minutes of football. The other 80+ plays were performed VERY well...and of those 6, 3 were referee issues and not "ability" issues.

You're forgetting the fake punt, though. There was no reason at all to go to a telegraphed return-only formation with them punting at midfield.

I agree with most of your arguments, though. That being said, it's one thing to lose to App, NAU, and EWU—all likely playoff teams. It's another to lose to a 2-4 SUU team that was out of the playoff race at home. I like the talent of a lot of UM's coaches, but it seems they make one nonsensical bonehead decision almost every week. There was the double kickoff last week, the surprise onside against NAU, probably something I'm forgetting, and the bizarre punt return formation stuff yesterday.

[Grizalltheway]

I can't answer the rest of your questions, but our abilities didn't "drop off a cliff". This game hinged on about 4 plays:

1) blocked FG's (2)
2) dropped punt at our own 7
3) refs with their heads firmly planted up their asses for one 3-minute span in which they called two phantom personal foul calls and then missed wildly on the TD run by Sorensen.

So, that's 6 plays in 60 minutes of football. The other 80+ plays were performed VERY well...and of those 6, 3 were referee issues and not "ability" issues.

You're forgetting the fake punt, though. There was no reason at all to go to a telegraphed return-only formation with them punting at midfield.

I agree with most of your arguments, though. That being said, it's one thing to lose to App, NAU, and EWU—all likely playoff teams. It's another to lose to a 2-4 SUU team that was out of the playoff race at home. I like the talent of a lot of UM's coaches, but it seems they make one nonsensical bonehead decision almost every week. There was the double kickoff last week, the surprise onside against NAU, probably something I'm forgetting, and the bizarre punt return formation stuff yesterday.

I think they also went too conservative against Eastern when they had the chance to put them away for good, thereby giving them an opening to make their comeback.

[JALMOND]

I can't answer the rest of your questions, but our abilities didn't "drop off a cliff". This game hinged on about 4 plays:

1) blocked FG's (2)
2) dropped punt at our own 7
3) refs with their heads firmly planted up their asses for one 3-minute span in which they called two phantom personal foul calls and then missed wildly on the TD run by Sorensen.

So, that's 6 plays in 60 minutes of football. The other 80+ plays were performed VERY well...and of those 6, 3 were referee issues and not "ability" issues.

You're forgetting the fake punt, though. There was no reason at all to go to a telegraphed return-only formation with them punting at midfield.

I agree with most of your arguments, though. That being said, it's one thing to lose to App, NAU, and EWU—all likely playoff teams. It's another to lose to a 2-4 SUU team that was out of the playoff race at home. I like the talent of a lot of UM's coaches, but it seems they make one nonsensical bonehead decision almost every week. There was the double kickoff last week, the surprise onside against NAU, probably something I'm forgetting, and the bizarre punt return formation stuff yesterday.

Having watched Portland State for as long as I have, I can honestly say that the coaches are all idiots when their decisions do not work. When they do work, it is "a stroke of genius".

[Mvemjsunpx]

I think they also went too conservative against Eastern when they had the chance to put them away for good, thereby giving them an opening to make their comeback.

I don't. The Griz had run basically every play in the second half and did the same on that one drive. Two runs and a give-up on third down were pretty standard play calls with a freshman running QB there. Eastern's offense had done pretty much nothing in the second half & UM was up 9 with about 6 minutes left, so I totally understand playing conservative & putting it in the hands of the defense there.

[Grizalltheway]

I think they also went too conservative against Eastern when they had the chance to put them away for good, thereby giving them an opening to make their comeback.

I don't. The Griz had run basically every play in the second half and did the same on that one drive. Two runs and a give-up on third down were pretty standard play calls with a freshman running QB there. Eastern's offense had done pretty much nothing in the second half & UM was up 9 with about 6 minutes left, so I totally understand playing conservative & putting it in the hands of the defense there.

Really, you thought it was a good idea to put the game in the hands of a young, inexperienced secondary, who were facing on of the best receiving corps in the country?

[Mvemjsunpx]

Having watched Portland State for as long as I have, I can honestly say that the coaches are all idiots when their decisions do not work. When they do work, it is "a stroke of genius".

When is kicking off both halves in only marginally bad weather ever "a stroke of genius?" When is calling a surprise onside kick when you're up 10 with all the momentum and a defense playing well "a stroke of genius?" When is openly & overtly conceding a fake punt at midfield with the game tied in the fourth quarter a "stroke of genius?"

[SeattleGriz]

I know they are not dead yet, but please tell me how our abilities just dropped off a cliff? I know we are young, but all those guys got playing time last year.

I can't answer the rest of your questions, but our abilities didn't "drop off a cliff". This game hinged on about 4 plays:

1) blocked FG's (2)
2) dropped punt at our own 7
3) refs with their heads firmly planted up their asses for one 3-minute span in which they called two phantom personal foul calls and then missed wildly on the TD run by Sorensen.

So, that's 6 plays in 60 minutes of football. The other 80+ plays were performed VERY well...and of those 6, 3 were referee issues and not "ability" issues.

Meant that as more rhetorical. I believe our talent level is very high.

[SDHornet]

The thing is, Montana could still be a bubble team if they can win out and beat the Cats, who are beatable.

Anyway, I'm not saying "I told you so", but I seem to recall a bunch of Griz fans assuring everyone that all the off-season stuff would be a non-factor on the field this season. That losing a HC, O and D coordinators etc. was nothing to be alarmed about. I predicted 8-3 or 7-4 for the Griz. 7-4 is still possible if tey can pull their collective heads out of their asses.


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I agree as well. UM has to run the table and can probably buy themselves a first round game with a 7-4 record. They are still in it.