Biden/Ryan Debate

[SeattleGriz]

Ryan was respectful, Biden was an azz and very much not Vice Presidential. He was a hack.

He was exactly Vice Presidential. The VP's only job is to be the POTUS' attack dog, and that is what he was tonight.

I understand his role, just thought he didn't have substance to back it up. It's one thing to be forceful with facts, it's another to overcompensate for the President's horrid performance with constant smirking, laughing and interruptions.

[Grizalltheway]

Baldy and Krauthammer. Fuckin A Team material right there.

[SuperHornet]

[D1B]

He was exactly Vice Presidential. The VP's only job is to be the POTUS' attack dog, and that is what he was tonight.

I understand his role, just thought he didn't have substance to back it up. It's one thing to be forceful with facts, it's another to overcompensate for the President's horrid performance with constant smirking, laughing and interruptions.

Shut the hell up you fucking baby.

[BlueHen86]

He was exactly Vice Presidential. The VP's only job is to be the POTUS' attack dog, and that is what he was tonight.

I understand his role, just thought he didn't have substance to back it up. It's one thing to be forceful with facts, it's another to overcompensate for the President's horrid performance with constant smirking, laughing and interruptions.

As I said before, you saw what you wanted to see.

Dems will like Biden's performance, the GOP will not, and it really doesn't matter.

[CitadelGrad]

If being a foreign policy expert means lying through your teeth about what the administration knew of the Libya attack and when they knew it, then Biden is certainly a foreign policy expert.

[BDKJMU]

He was exactly Vice Presidential. The VP's only job is to be the POTUS' attack dog, and that is what he was tonight.

I understand his role, just thought he didn't have substance to back it up. It's one thing to be forceful with facts, it's another to overcompensate for the President's horrid performance with constant smirking, laughing and interruptions.

Yep. Biden spent most of the debate either laughing, smirking, appearing condescending, arrogant, angry, rude. And not just at Ryan, but also at the moderator (notice how many times he not only interrupted not just Ryan, but also what's her name, on several occasions jabbing his finger out at her). The guy is unhinged. Literally a loose cannon. God forbid if Obama gets re elected and then something happens to Obama and Biden actually becomes POTUS.

[BDKJMU]

The last 2 debates 3 of the 4 candidates have appeared relatively even keeled, and one has come across as a wing nut.

[GrizFanStuckInUtah]

[SeattleGriz]

I understand his role, just thought he didn't have substance to back it up. It's one thing to be forceful with facts, it's another to overcompensate for the President's horrid performance with constant smirking, laughing and interruptions.

Shut the hell up you fucking baby.

I simply wanted to hear what both sides had to say.

Oh and go fuck yourself. You're still pissed they couldn't get Walker out!

[BDKJMU]

Biden contradicts State Department on Benghazi security

Vice President Joe Biden claimed that the administration wasn't aware of requests for more security in Libya before the Sept. 11 attacks on the U.S. mission in Benghazi during Thursday night's debate, contradicting two State Department officials and the former head of diplomatic security in Libya.

"We weren't told they wanted more security. We did not know they wanted more security there," Biden said.

In fact, two security officials who worked for the State Department in Libya at the time testified Thursday that they repeatedly requested more security and two State Department officials admitted they had denied those requests.

"All of us at post were in sync that we wanted these resources," the top regional security officer in Libya over the summer, Eric Nordstrom, testified. "In those conversations, I was specifically told [by Deputy Assistant Secretary of State Charlene Lamb] ‘You cannot request an SST extension.' I determined I was told that because there would be too much political cost. We went ahead and requested it anyway."

Nordstrom was so critical of the State Department's reluctance to respond to his calls for more security that he said, "For me, the Taliban is on the inside of the building."

"We felt great frustration that those requests were ignored or just never met," testified Lt. Col. Andrew Wood, a Utah National Guardsman who was leading a security team in Libya until August.

House Oversight Committee Chairman Darrell Issa (R-CA) released the unclassified cables containing those requests........
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[SeattleGriz]

If being a foreign policy expert means lying through your teeth about what the administration knew of the Libya attack and when they knew it, then Biden is certainly a foreign policy expert.

I liked the part where Biden said the intelligence community didn't know what happened in Libya and then said they knew EXACTLY what Iran was up to. I didn't come up with that point, I heard it.

[SeattleGriz]

I understand his role, just thought he didn't have substance to back it up. It's one thing to be forceful with facts, it's another to overcompensate for the President's horrid performance with constant smirking, laughing and interruptions.

As I said before, you saw what you wanted to see.

Dems will like Biden's performance, the GOP will not, and it really doesn't matter.

Agreed. Will be interesting to see how the post debate shapes up when everything can be dissected.

By the way, CNN has Ryan winning 48 to Biden's 44, with a 5% margin of error, so a toss up.

[SeattleGriz]

Baldy and Krauthammer. Fuckin A Team material right there.

Krauthammer actually said he felt if you just looked at the transcripts, it was even, if you listened to the radio, Biden won and if you watched Ryan won.

[SeattleGriz]

I understand his role, just thought he didn't have substance to back it up. It's one thing to be forceful with facts, it's another to overcompensate for the President's horrid performance with constant smirking, laughing and interruptions.

Yep. Biden spent most of the debate either laughing, smirking, appearing condescending, arrogant, angry, rude. And not just at Ryan, but also at the moderator (notice how many times he not only interrupted not just Ryan, but also what's her name, on several occasions jabbing his finger out at her). The guy is unhinged. Literally a loose cannon. God forbid if Obama gets re elected and then something happens to Obama and Biden actually becomes POTUS.

Biden is one heartbeat away from the Presidency.

[SuperHornet]

[Baldy]

Baldy and Krauthammer. Fuckin A Team material right there.

I agree.

[Tod]

If being a foreign policy expert means lying through your teeth about what the administration knew of the Libya attack and when they knew it, then Biden is certainly a foreign policy expert.

I liked the part where Biden said the intelligence community didn't know what happened in Libya and then said they knew EXACTLY what Iran was up to. I didn't come up with that point, I heard it.

Bill Maher: "Hello, 9-1-1? I'd like to report an old man beating a child on TV" (a bit paraphrased, perhaps).

My favorite part.

[Baldy]

I liked the part where Biden said the intelligence community didn't know what happened in Libya and then said they knew EXACTLY what Iran was up to. I didn't come up with that point, I heard it.

Bill Maher: "Hello, 9-1-1? I'd like to report an old man beating a child on TV" (a bit paraphrased, perhaps).

My favorite part.

A bit inaccurate, too.

He looked like an old man off his alzheimers meds.

[CID1990]

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[CID1990]

I like how "we were going off the intelligence we had at the time" has received so much credibility in 2012, after taking so much of a beating in 2003.

[D1B]

Bill Maher: "Hello, 9-1-1? I'd like to report an old man beating a child on TV" (a bit paraphrased, perhaps).

My favorite part.

A bit inaccurate, too.

He looked like an old man off his alzheimers meds.

'He looked like an old man not taking any shit from a punk shyster.

Nice work, Joe!

[SeattleGriz]

I liked the part where Biden said the intelligence community didn't know what happened in Libya and then said they knew EXACTLY what Iran was up to. I didn't come up with that point, I heard it.

Bill Maher: "Hello, 9-1-1? I'd like to report an old man beating a child on TV" (a bit paraphrased, perhaps).

My favorite part.

Too bad Maher isn't funny. He is a douche. I will always remember the part where Christopher Hitchens told him his audience was a bunch of retards. He almost cried.

[AZGrizFan]

Agreed. But what will the undecideds have to say?

I'm not voting for either, and I'd say it's been pretty evenly matched. Biden's been forceful, but he definitely knows his shit on foreign policy.

If the handling of Libya/Syria/Iran/Israel by this administration is deemed "knowing their shit on foreign policy" we are in deep doodoo.

[AZGrizFan]

As I said before, you saw what you wanted to see.

Dems will like Biden's performance, the GOP will not, and it really doesn't matter.

Agreed. Will be interesting to see how the post debate shapes up when everything can be dissected.

By the way, CNN has Ryan winning 48 to Biden's 44, with a 5% margin of error, so a toss up.

Unless the "margin" goes the other direction. Then it's a Ryan walkover.