HBO Doc detail abuse of deaf boys by catholic church

[D1B]

Cletus is an atheit. interested in religion similar to how a bird watcher is interested in birds.

No he isn't. He talks a big game, but he approves of religion in terms of its more benign effects, in a pothead-humanist-hippie-with-a-hairy- Italian chick-fetish sort of way.

He's polite is all.

[CID1990]

No he isn't. He talks a big game, but he approves of religion in terms of its more benign effects, in a pothead-humanist-hippie-with-a-hairy- Italian chick-fetish sort of way.

He's polite is all.

No, I'm on to his a$$ and you should be, too.

[Cap'n Cat]

Cletus is an atheit. interested in religion similar to how a bird watcher is interested in birds.

No he isn't. He talks a big game, but he approves of religion in terms of its more benign effects, in a pothead-humanist-hippie-with-a-hairy- Italian chick-fetish sort of way.

[Cap'n Cat]

I love this "shame on you for even defending them" shit.

You guys claim a license to distort and lie, and if someone comes along and proves the distortions, you say that these people defend pedophiles and shame on them.

Shame on both of you for being big fat liars, and for being gullible fools too.

Yep, you're right. That guy didn't rape a couple hundred deaf boys. My bad.

[JoltinJoe]

Glad you've seen the light. It was not "a couple hundred." That's the first lie in this distorted story. According to the prosecutors, it was 29.

Now you will say predictably "29 isn't enough for you?" That's your intellectual (if I can use that word when speaking about you) fascism working. Quite obviously, 29 is not enough for you.

You're going to hold to your false number and if someone calls you on it, you call them a pedophile defender.

So to be opposed to pedophilia, you need to accept all the lies intended to inflame?

I think the first step to understand what happened and prevent it from happening again, you need to know the real facts.

The number 200 represents the total number of students who attended this school for the deaf during Murphy's time there. When using that number, the assumption is that Murphy abused all 200 students, even though only 29 have claimed to have been abused.

[D1B]

Glad you've seen the light. It was not "a couple hundred." That's the first lie in this distorted story. According to the prosecutors, it was 29.

Now you will say predictably "29 isn't enough for you?" That's your intellectual (if I can use that word when speaking about you) fascism working. Quite obviously, 29 is not enough for you.

You're going to hold to your false number and if someone calls you on it, you call them a pedophile defender.

So to be opposed to pedophilia, you need to accept all the lies intended to inflame?

I think the first step to understand what happened and prevent it from happening again, you need to know the real facts.

The number 200 represents the total number of students who attended this school for the deaf during Murphy's time there. When using that number, the assumption is that Murphy abused all 200 students, even though only 29 have claimed to have been abused.

More lies from the pedophile priest's best friend - joe. Understanding what happened starts with the truth and an independent entity who's sole responsiblity is to seek the truth. Almost all of the information about Murphy, including how many accusations, came from the catholic church - an entity solely interested in covering up anything that threatens its assets or power. An entity that has admitted they lied and worse, paid off and threatened victims into silence. Joe's own archbishop, Tim "The Fuckhead" Dolan was paying priests $20,000 to "disappear".

This is the group that Joe accepts as trustworthy....

Again...

No official catholic-approved allegation doesn't mean he did not rape more kids. MOF, every child abuse professional alive would bet their life that Murphy offended again and again, especially since he had the power that comes from being a man of the cloth. You don't just "turn off" a serial pedophile, you dipshit. This guy may be the most prolific child predator in the history of the world, and he's a catholic priest.

2. Joe got his "29 accusations" from a page of handwritten notes from a professional (Kathy Wolter, MSW) hired by the church to assess the situation. See page 7 here http://documents.nytimes.com/reverend-l" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; ... s#document

Note this 29 number is what the catholic church offered. The same church that has repeatedly lied, withheld evidence and distorted facts to protect its assets. They've done it thousands of times and spent hundreds of millions to hire the people to do it. Now, go down to page 10 where the same professional says the following "Complainants allege that client sexually abused about 200 boys. The estimate is likely to be fairly accurate." Again, when you factor in that he was a priest and had access to hundreds of boys, handicapped boys, handicapped boys with serious communication challenges, handicapped boys with serious communications challenges and not in the custody of their parents, his victims are probably closer to 500 or more for a 50 year career. That's only 10 a year for a sick fuck, serial predator operating in a totally safe environment where even if he got caught, the catholics would simply send him to another parish for some fresh meat. It was a disaster waiting to happen, and it happened.

I repeat, factoring all of the above, there's not a single child abuse professional (Including the ones the catholics hired ) who would accept that a serial pedophile in Murphy's position, molested only .58 kids per year in a 50 year career (in the church) where he had access to handicapped children.

Joe is a sick catholic cultist apologist who is willing to disregard common sense, science and the truth to protect the church and not be seen as the dope he is - even if it means more kids will be raped by his priests and bishops.

[D1B]

Only 200 total went to St. Johns during Murphy's tenure? There were 161 enrolled in 1968 alone. Murphy arrived to molest kids in 1950.

Students, parents and friends of the deaf community toiled over picnics, candy sales and athletic events for years to scrape together enough money for these buildings. They were erected in the mid-1960s to replace the crumbling originals that were built in the late 1800s, when the school was known as St. John's Institute for Deaf Mutes. Enrollment ranged from 82 students in 1949 to a high of 161 in 1968.

Milwaukee Journal Sentinel

Shit, he nailed at least half the basketball team in this one season!

Of the 11 boys on St. John's basketball team (in this 1960s photo), at least five say they were victims of sexual abuse by Father Murphy (left).

He got this kid and his brother:

The men's stories are similar. Murphy would call them to his bedroom in the school, or visit them in their dorm beds late at night, masturbate them and leave. Sometimes he would go on to other boys. Often he would say nothing. Sometimes when the boys saw him molesting other boys in the dorm room, they would cover their heads with their blankets, hug themselves tightly and weep. At times, he would take their confession in a second floor walk-in closet in the boy's dorm and molest them.

"Murphy was so powerful and it was so hard," said Geier who was molested when he was in seventh grade and said he saw more than a dozen other boys molested. "You couldn't get out. It was like a prison. I felt so confused. Here I had Father Murphy touching me. I would be like, 'God, what's right?' "

Geier said the boys received no sex education and had no idea what was happening to them. Some, he said, believed it must be all right because it was being done by a priest. After he resisted one of Murphy's advances, Geier said, Murphy refused to allow him to go with a group of boys to get ice cream across the street.

During one interview, Budzinski began to get tears in his eyes as he recounted seeing Pat Cave being molested in his dorm room bed. Cave, 57, who lives in Seattle, said he thought he was the only one molested until 2004, when he shared his experience with Budzinski.

Cave added that his older brother, who also attended St. John's, often would be called to Murphy's office at night and be gone for long periods. They never discussed why. His brother died in a motorcycle accident at age 21.

'I never told anyone'

For James Smith, 62, of Orange City, Fla., the memories are intense. He began to shake and cry as he recalled one incident after another.

"I would be playing baseball, and the boys would come and say, 'Father Murphy wants you to come and see him,' " Smith said. "I would refuse to go, and pretty soon I was dragged into his office and molested again.

"I never told anyone. I thought I was alone."

Like other victims, Joe Daniels, 58, of Union Grove was not believed when he tried to quietly tell family members and other adults about the molestations when he was in his 20s.

"It was an awful thing," Daniels said. "I felt anger and shame."

"Some of them are still really, really afraid," said Cohen-Stein, the therapist who has worked with victims of Murphy. "They feel their entire life revolves around this lie - their identity, their feelings toward hearing people and about themselves.

"One person actually said: 'I would have to rebuild myself if I started talking about this. I would fall apart because all of the threads are so tangled.'"

Thirteen-year-old Arthur Budzinski hid under his bed crying. Born to hearing parents who did not speak sign language, he could not tell them of the terror he faced back at St. John's School for the Deaf in St. Francis.

It was 1962. When the truth was told decades later, they all would weep.

How many deaf children Murphy molested remains unknown. He was at St. John's for 24 years. The victims who have come forward, who said they saw many of their classmates being abused, think he molested more than 100 boys. Murphy admitted to molesting at least 30, according to Alisa Cohen-Stein, a clinical social worker in the Chicago area who has worked with several of Murphy's victims. She said she was told of Murphy's admission by an employee of the archdiocese.

Steve Geier, 55, of Madison, who became deaf after a high fever, remembered being left at St. John's at age 8 as his mother and father walked back to the car. His mother, he said, had tears running down her face.

"Here is my mom and dad, talk, talk, talk, talk, and I am looking at them," he said. "My suitcase gets put down, and my mom and dad said we have to go home. So I go running after them. They said 'No, you stay here.' It was confusing and I cried."

Murphy would console him.

The Milwaukee Archdiocese has acknowledged that Murphy abused boys at the school, which was at 3680 S. Kinnickinnic Ave. in St. Francis, but has provided few details. The residential school closed in 1983 for financial reasons.

The archdiocese denied requests for church records regarding Murphy's offenses, citing victim confidentiality.

Joe - you still seriously think he molested only 29 kids?

[JoltinJoe]

The 29 number was reported in the professional's notes comes from the number of claims as reported by the prosecutor's office. How can you continue to say there were 200 victims when 29 people have asserted claims as victims? That number was just pulled out of thin air by lawyers for victims.

Why can't you just be honest for a change?

[Cap'n Cat]

The 29 number was reported in the professional's notes comes from the number of claims as reported by the prosecutor's office. How can you continue to say there were 200 victims when 29 people have asserted claims as victims? That number was just pulled out of thin air by lawyers for victims.

Why can't you just be honest for a change?

Joe,
Gotta tell ya. You look REALLY ridiculous defending these fvcks. How do you sleep at night, son? Do you look at your sons when they're sleeping and feel comfortable defending the Church you forced them to belong to?

You need therapy.

[Gil Dobie]

I don't know if I would put any closed minded, catholic hating, former UNI football players on the board to search and destroy this abuse. There needs to be something significant done about this entire abuse enabling system within the church.

[JoltinJoe]

The 29 number was reported in the professional's notes comes from the number of claims as reported by the prosecutor's office. How can you continue to say there were 200 victims when 29 people have asserted claims as victims? That number was just pulled out of thin air by lawyers for victims.

Why can't you just be honest for a change?

Joe,
Gotta tell ya. You look REALLY ridiculous defending these fvcks. How do you sleep at night, son? Do you look at your sons when they're sleeping and feel comfortable defending the Church you forced them to belong to?

You need therapy.

How predictable. This boils down to you claiming an absolute right to distort the facts, and if someone calls you on your distortions, you say they are defending pedophiles.

Thanks for the suggestion that I get therapy. That's funny, because it's quite obvious I am far better adjusted than either you or your brother.

[D1B]

Joe,
Gotta tell ya. You look REALLY ridiculous defending these fvcks. How do you sleep at night, son? Do you look at your sons when they're sleeping and feel comfortable defending the Church you forced them to belong to?

You need therapy.

How predictable. This boils down to you claiming an absolute right to distort the facts, and if someone calls you on your distortions, you say they are defending pedophiles.

Thanks for the suggestion that I get therapy. That's funny, because it's quite obvious I am far better adjusted than either you or your brother.

Joe, you're seriously fucked up.

[BisonMav]

I would like to ask you an honest question D1B, were you ever abused by a priest? I hear the anger of a victim in your posts.

[Cap'n Cat]

Joe,
Gotta tell ya. You look REALLY ridiculous defending these fvcks. How do you sleep at night, son? Do you look at your sons when they're sleeping and feel comfortable defending the Church you forced them to belong to?

You need therapy.

How predictable. This boils down to you claiming an absolute right to distort the facts, and if someone calls you on your distortions, you say they are defending pedophiles.

Thanks for the suggestion that I get therapy. That's funny, because it's quite obvious I am far better adjusted than either you or your brother.

Yes, it's quite obvious.....to you.

But, for shits and giggles, let's run with that theme, anyway.

You believe in ghosts. You support a massive cult with promotes belief in ghosts. Instruments of the cult, mostly men, who, by the way, are sworn to celibacy, routinely sexually abuse children, mostly boys. You defend them.

Yep, you're definitely "better adjusted".

[JoltinJoe]

How predictable. This boils down to you claiming an absolute right to distort the facts, and if someone calls you on your distortions, you say they are defending pedophiles.

Thanks for the suggestion that I get therapy. That's funny, because it's quite obvious I am far better adjusted than either you or your brother.

Yes, it's quite obvious.....to you.

But, for shits and giggles, let's run with that theme, anyway.

You believe in ghosts. You support a massive cult with promotes belief in ghosts. Instruments of the cult, mostly men, who, by the way, are sworn to celibacy, routinely sexually abuse children, mostly boys. You defend them.

Yep, you're definitely "better adjusted".

I don't believe in ghosts, but I do believe in imperceptible dimensions, and I did so long before it became their existence became commonly accepted by modern quantum physics.

I doubt you've ever studied the existence of imperceptible dimensions from the perspective of metaphysics or quantum physics. That's why, to your mind, we are talking about "ghosts."

Why don't you take these courses and, when you're done, then let's consider the breakthroughs of modern quantum physics and discuss how they concide with classical metaphysics:

http://ocw.mit.edu/courses/physics/8-04 ... ring-2006/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

http://ocw.mit.edu/courses/linguistics- ... fall-2005/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[D1B]

Yes, it's quite obvious.....to you.

But, for shits and giggles, let's run with that theme, anyway.

You believe in ghosts. You support a massive cult with promotes belief in ghosts. Instruments of the cult, mostly men, who, by the way, are sworn to celibacy, routinely sexually abuse children, mostly boys. You defend them.

Yep, you're definitely "better adjusted".

I don't believe in ghosts, but I do believe in imperceptible dimensions, and I did so long before it became their existence became commonly accepted by modern quantum physics.

I doubt you've ever studied the existence of imperceptible dimensions from the perspective of metaphysics or quantum physics. That's why, to your mind, we are talking about "ghosts."

Why don't you take these courses and, when you're done, then let's consider the breakthroughs of modern quantum physics and discuss how they concide with classical metaphysics:

http://ocw.mit.edu/courses/physics/8-04 ... ring-2006/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

http://ocw.mit.edu/courses/linguistics- ... fall-2005/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Dont matter what classes youve taken You believe in ghosts and you defend pedophiles.

[D1B]

I would like to ask you an honest question D1B, were you ever abused by a priest? I hear the anger of a victim in your posts.

No, had a great experience growing up catholic. Became an atheist in 3rd grade when a fuckhead nun slapped a kid in the face for forgetting his lunch.

The Catholic Church is full sadists-creepy old and mentally I'll adults who get off on beating children.

Jesus would hate the Catholic Church, if he ever existed.

[Cap'n Cat]

Yes, it's quite obvious.....to you.

But, for shits and giggles, let's run with that theme, anyway.

You believe in ghosts. You support a massive cult with promotes belief in ghosts. Instruments of the cult, mostly men, who, by the way, are sworn to celibacy, routinely sexually abuse children, mostly boys. You defend them.

Yep, you're definitely "better adjusted".

I don't believe in ghosts, but I do believe in imperceptible dimensions, and I did so long before it became their existence became commonly accepted by modern quantum physics.

I doubt you've ever studied the existence of imperceptible dimensions from the perspective of metaphysics or quantum physics. That's why, to your mind, we are talking about "ghosts."

Why don't you take these courses and, when you're done, then let's consider the breakthroughs of modern quantum physics and discuss how they concide with classical metaphysics:

http://ocw.mit.edu/courses/physics/8-04 ... ring-2006/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

http://ocw.mit.edu/courses/linguistics- ... fall-2005/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

You believe in ghosts, Mort.

[D1B]

Mort

Here, in part, is the oath every Catholic Cardinal swears to in order to get a red hat:

"I ... promise and swear, from this day forth and as long as I live ... not to make known to anyone matters entrusted to me in confidence, the disclosure of which could bring damage or dishonor to the holy church."

The church over the welfare of millions of children and families.

[BisonMav]

I would like to ask you an honest question D1B, were you ever abused by a priest? I hear the anger of a victim in your posts.

No, had a great experience growing up catholic. Became an atheist in 3rd grade when a **** nun slapped a kid in the face for forgetting his lunch.

The Catholic Church is full sadists-creepy old and mentally I'll adults who get off on beating children.

Jesus would hate the Catholic Church, if he ever existed.

Jesus doesn't hate. Jesus is a very forgiving son of our Father.

[D1B]

No, had a great experience growing up catholic. Became an atheist in 3rd grade when a **** nun slapped a kid in the face for forgetting his lunch.

The Catholic Church is full sadists-creepy old and mentally I'll adults who get off on beating children.

Jesus would hate the Catholic Church, if he ever existed.

Jesus doesn't hate. Jesus is a very forgiving son of our Father.

You don't know shit about Jesus or "god." Your dumb religion and god are one of thousands, and like the others, is a crock of shit only for fools and victims of forced indoctrination- children.

[BisonMav]

Jesus doesn't hate. Jesus is a very forgiving son of our Father.

You don't know **** about Jesus or "god." Your dumb religion and god are one of thousands, and like the others, is a crock of **** only for fools and victims of forced indoctrination- children.

My God is a loving god, shared by many religions and spiritual lifestyles, each to their own understanding. God is love, Bless you D1B.

[CID1990]

I don't know about God. Never met him.

But I think Jesus was a man, and a pretty revolutionary one at that. If you think about it, Jesus was anti-religion, in terms of cookie cutter dogma.

[D1B]

I don't know about God. Never met him.

But I think Jesus was a man, and a pretty revolutionary one at that. If you think about it, Jesus was anti-religion, in terms of cookie cutter dogma.

First, there are no first hand accounts or eyewitnesses of "Jesus." All anyone knows about him was written by people, decades to centuries after his supposed existence. The bible is primarily myth.

Second, he said and did nothing original. Nothing. There are several "Jesuses", with an identical story who predated the christian version. The chinese and other eastern religions, philosophically and ethically, were way ahead of Jesus,several milleniums before him..

Christianity would have died out, like thousands of other myths, if Constantine did not allow it as a religion of the holy roman empire.

Accept Jesus as your savior or spend eternity in hell worked out great for tyrants for 1700 years. Also held us back as a species. Fuck jesus.

[andy7171]

Yeah those first couple of centuries were the salad days of Christianity. Living high on the hog, they were!