That's not really the point, Jizzfan. Even with the wars and all the hatred, ambassadors weren't being murdered, embassies weren't looted and burned, and we weren't as hated then as we are now.Grizalltheway wrote:How many useless cluster-fuck wars did those neo-cons start, dumb fuck?Baldy wrote: Oh really?
So, how many ambassadors were murdered, embassies and consulates burned when these "neo-cons" were running the show? At least we're liked so much more now....oh wait....nevermind.
Jeezus Christ...I didn't say anything about supporting neo-cons. All I was alluding to was that Obama's schizophrenic middle eastern policy has been an abysmal failure.Seahawks08 wrote:Support neocons?Oh really?
So, how many ambassadors were murdered, embassies and consulates burned when these "neo-cons" were running the show? At least we're liked so much more now....oh wait....nevermind.I could seriously rip you to shreds in this debate. Please just stop smoking whatever it is and come back to reality.
) and debate me that it hasn't, give it your best shot. 
Got it.Ivytalk wrote:Baldy, check your PMs.Baldy wrote: Oh really?
So, how many ambassadors were murdered, embassies and consulates burned when these "neo-cons" were running the show? At least we're liked so much more now....oh wait....nevermind.
So you and middle easterners prefer 4,000 US troops KIA, 10's of thousands of innocent civilians killed, and the infrastructure of an entire ripped to shreds to what's happened over the last 4 years?Baldy wrote:That's not really the point, Jizzfan. Even with the wars and all the hatred, ambassadors weren't being murdered, embassies weren't looted and burned, and we weren't as hated then as we are now.Grizalltheway wrote:
How many useless cluster-fuck wars did those neo-cons start, dumb fuck?
It doesn't matter what I prefer, but the proof is in the pudding. How many embassies and consulates were torched and how many ambassadors were murdered between 2000 and 2008?kalm wrote:So you and middle easterners prefer 4,000 US troops KIA, 10's of thousands of innocent civilians killed, and the infrastructure of an entire ripped to shreds to what's happened over the last 4 years?Baldy wrote: That's not really the point, Jizzfan. Even with the wars and all the hatred, ambassadors weren't being murdered, embassies weren't looted and burned, and we weren't as hated then as we are now.
Strange bedfellows indeed.
Well that's a strange metric to use in defense of neo con foreign policy, but you go with it!Baldy wrote:It doesn't matter what I prefer, but the proof is in the pudding. How many embassies and consulates were torched and how many ambassadors were murdered between 2000 and 2008?kalm wrote:
So you and middle easterners prefer 4,000 US troops KIA, 10's of thousands of innocent civilians killed, and the infrastructure of an entire ripped to shreds to what's happened over the last 4 years?
Strange bedfellows indeed.
How many airliners were flown into buildings on American soil between 2009 and now?Baldy wrote:It doesn't matter what I prefer, but the proof is in the pudding. How many embassies and consulates were torched and how many ambassadors were murdered between 2000 and 2008?kalm wrote:
So you and middle easterners prefer 4,000 US troops KIA, 10's of thousands of innocent civilians killed, and the infrastructure of an entire ripped to shreds to what's happened over the last 4 years?
Strange bedfellows indeed.
I repeat....again, not defending anything. Just pointing out how abysmal and inept the current foreign policy is. Do you really need me to connect the dots for you?kalm wrote:Well that's a strange metric to use in defense of neo con foreign policy, but you go with it!Baldy wrote: It doesn't matter what I prefer, but the proof is in the pudding. How many embassies and consulates were torched and how many ambassadors were murdered between 2000 and 2008?
Fucking idiot. That was an inside job.Grizalltheway wrote:How many airliners were flown into buildings on American soil between 2009 and now?Baldy wrote: It doesn't matter what I prefer, but the proof is in the pudding. How many embassies and consulates were torched and how many ambassadors were murdered between 2000 and 2008?
Necon foreign policy was the worst this country has ever seen. Anything is an improvement over that.Baldy wrote:I repeat....again, not defending anything. Just pointing out how abysmal and inept the current foreign policy is. Do you really need me to connect the dots for you?kalm wrote:
Well that's a strange metric to use in defense of neo con foreign policy, but you go with it!
Ask Netanyahu that question.Grizalltheway wrote:Necon foreign policy was the worst this country has ever seen. Anything is an improvement over that.Baldy wrote: I repeat....again, not defending anything. Just pointing out how abysmal and inept the current foreign policy is. Do you really need me to connect the dots for you?
...By comparing it to the Bush administration. You don't want to defend/support the neo cons you just want to compare records...I get it.Baldy wrote:I repeat....again, not defending anything. Just pointing out how abysmal and inept the current foreign policy is. Do you really need me to connect the dots for you?kalm wrote:
Well that's a strange metric to use in defense of neo con foreign policy, but you go with it!
Don't really care what he thinks. Even moderate to liberal Israelis think he's a whack job.ASUG8 wrote:Ask Netanyahu that question.Grizalltheway wrote:
Necon foreign policy was the worst this country has ever seen. Anything is an improvement over that.
Ahmadinejad + Netanyahu = TWO fucking NUTSGrizalltheway wrote:Don't really care what he thinks. Even moderate to liberal Israelis think he's a whack job.ASUG8 wrote:
Ask Netanyahu that question.
Frankly I hope they blow each other off the face of the planet. The world would be much better off.Chizzang wrote:Ahmadinejad + Netanyahu = TWO fucking NUTSGrizalltheway wrote:
Don't really care what he thinks. Even moderate to liberal Israelis think he's a whack job.
It can't happen fast enough in my opinion....Grizalltheway wrote:Frankly I hope they blow each other off the face of the planet. The world would be much better off.Chizzang wrote:
Ahmadinejad + Netanyahu = TWO fucking NUTS
Actually, send all the Persian women over here first.
Be sure you tell that to Chris Stevens' family.Grizalltheway wrote:Necon foreign policy was the worst this country has ever seen. Anything is an improvement over that.Baldy wrote: I repeat....again, not defending anything. Just pointing out how abysmal and inept the current foreign policy is. Do you really need me to connect the dots for you?
I don't have any experience with Persian women, but I know that Jewish women have big titties. That's why we need to save Israel.Chizzang wrote:It can't happen fast enough in my opinion....Grizalltheway wrote:
Frankly I hope they blow each other off the face of the planet. The world would be much better off.
Actually, send all the Persian women over here first.
(The Persian women thing, I mean)
Yeah....just as I thought, someone does need to connect the dots for you.kalm wrote:...By comparing it to the Bush administration. You don't want to defend/support the neo cons you just want to compare records...I get it.Baldy wrote: I repeat....again, not defending anything. Just pointing out how abysmal and inept the current foreign policy is. Do you really need me to connect the dots for you?
By all means.Baldy wrote:Yeah....just as I thought, someone does need to connect the dots for you.kalm wrote:
...By comparing it to the Bush administration. You don't want to defend/support the neo cons you just want to compare records...I get it.
If you wish...let's start with the Iraq War. Has Obama invaded and occupied a country that had nothing to do with 9/11? The illegal war that killed 4477 Americans, 4805 Coalition troops in total, has also killed over 100,000 Iraqi civilians. Couple that with an $800 billion plus pricetag and Iraq's government moving closer to Iran, sounds like Bush and cronies did one hell of a job! To top it off, still haven't found those WMDs baldy. Could you please direct the US military to where they are?Jeezus Christ...I didn't say anything about supporting neo-cons. All I was alluding to was that Obama's schizophrenic middle eastern policy has been an abysmal failure.
If you think you can "rip me to shreds" ( ) and debate me that it hasn't, give it your best shot.
You forgot that its also partly based in end times mythology.Seahawks08 wrote:If you wish...let's start with the Iraq War. Has Obama invaded and occupied a country that had nothing to do with 9/11? The illegal war that killed 4477 Americans, 4805 Coalition troops in total, has also killed over 100,000 Iraqi civilians. Couple that with an $800 billion plus pricetag and Iraq's government moving closer to Iran, sounds like Bush and cronies did one hell of a job! To top it off, still haven't found those WMDs baldy. Could you please direct the US military to where they are?Jeezus Christ...I didn't say anything about supporting neo-cons. All I was alluding to was that Obama's schizophrenic middle eastern policy has been an abysmal failure.
If you think you can "rip me to shreds" ( ) and debate me that it hasn't, give it your best shot.
And you want to compare the neocon's foreign policy to Obama's? This is only the worst thing Bush did. I could go into human rights violations, the refusal to sign the Kyoto Protocol, War in Afghanistan, and how a neocon's foreign policy threatens American freedom here at home.
After four years, does Obama own ANY of those decisions?Seahawks08 wrote:If you wish...let's start with the Iraq War. Has Obama invaded and occupied a country that had nothing to do with 9/11? The illegal war that killed 4477 Americans, 4805 Coalition troops in total, has also killed over 100,000 Iraqi civilians. Couple that with an $800 billion plus pricetag and Iraq's government moving closer to Iran, sounds like Bush and cronies did one hell of a job! To top it off, still haven't found those WMDs baldy. Could you please direct the US military to where they are?Jeezus Christ...I didn't say anything about supporting neo-cons. All I was alluding to was that Obama's schizophrenic middle eastern policy has been an abysmal failure.
If you think you can "rip me to shreds" ( ) and debate me that it hasn't, give it your best shot.
And you want to compare the neocon's foreign policy to Obama's? This is only the worst thing Bush did. I could go into human rights violations, the refusal to sign the Kyoto Protocol, War in Afghanistan, and how a neocon's foreign policy threatens American freedom here at home.
We're still in Afghanistan. Obama swapped US troops bound by the UCMJ for lawless mercenaries in Iraq. Obama continued the patriot act, has killed US citizens without due process, continues drone attacks in Yemen, Pakistan, etc. Sounds like Neo-Con and Obama foreign policy is the same.Seahawks08 wrote:If you wish...let's start with the Iraq War. Has Obama invaded and occupied a country that had nothing to do with 9/11? The illegal war that killed 4477 Americans, 4805 Coalition troops in total, has also killed over 100,000 Iraqi civilians. Couple that with an $800 billion plus pricetag and Iraq's government moving closer to Iran, sounds like Bush and cronies did one hell of a job! To top it off, still haven't found those WMDs baldy. Could you please direct the US military to where they are?Jeezus Christ...I didn't say anything about supporting neo-cons. All I was alluding to was that Obama's schizophrenic middle eastern policy has been an abysmal failure.
If you think you can "rip me to shreds" ( ) and debate me that it hasn't, give it your best shot.
And you want to compare the neocon's foreign policy to Obama's? This is only the worst thing Bush did. I could go into human rights violations, the refusal to sign the Kyoto Protocol, War in Afghanistan, and how a neocon's foreign policy threatens American freedom here at home.
