HBO Doc detail abuse of deaf boys by catholic church

[D1B]

Picture of Father Murphy and one of hundreds of handicapped boys he molested.





Murphy was never brought to justice. Died and was buried in a catholic cemetery.


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To be fair, they both look geniunely happy.

Andy - typical catholic shithead - makes fun of the fact that the church they support and send their children for indoctrination, is a pedophile factory that's responsible for raping children on an industrial scale for hundreds of years.

[andy7171]

To be fair, they both look geniunely happy.

Andy - typical catholic shithead - makes fun of the fact that the church they support and send their children for indoctrination, is a pedophile factory that's responsible for raping children on an industrial scale for hundreds of years.

Piss off, it was a joke, you asshole.

[JoltinJoe]

The catholic church could have cooperated and got a conviction. When the supervisors, handlers of the evidence, the cops, prosecuters, judge and jury are all catholic and all don't give a **** about the kids, it's tough to achieve justice.

Translation:

The prosecutors let this guy walk in the 1970s, after church officials reported him.

[D1B]

The catholic church could have cooperated and got a conviction. When the supervisors, handlers of the evidence, the cops, prosecuters, judge and jury are all catholic and all don't give a **** about the kids, it's tough to achieve justice.

Translation:

The prosecutors let this guy walk in the 1970s, after church officials reported him.

Murphy: 50 year employee of the Catholic Church. The Catholics protected him and helped him rape hundreds of handicapped children.

[D1B]

Rape 200 handicapped kids and this is what the catholics will do to you...more from Joe's documents:

September 12, 1974

MEMORANDUM

Re: Father Lawrence Murphy
From: Father Robert G. Sampon

In a phone conversation with Father Murphy on Saturday, September 7, 1974, the following details were worked out:

Father will take what will be called a "Temporary Sick Leave" beginning in mid-September. This will be the designation in the fall edition of the Catholic Herald Citizen directory and in the forthcoming Pastoral Handbook.

This leave will extend until the end of November. After that time he will be in touch with the Archbishop as to future plans.

As far as the financial arrangements for Father are concerned, note the following:

St. John's School will pay his salary through the end of September

Father will make application to the St. Michael's Priest Fund for full salary for the months of October and November. The Chancery will verify Father's permission from the Archbishop to take a temporary sick leave.

St. John School will continue him on their Blue Cross/Blue Shield plan through the end of year 1974, i.e. the School will keep him on the forthcoming quarter which begins October 1.

Father was asked to inform the St. Michael's Priest Fund so that his insurance will not be transferred to its group.

Father Murphy has paid up his Priest Pension Plan assessment through the fiscal year 1975, so there is no need to deduct this from his St. Michael's Priest Fund check.

I agreed to ask the Catholic Herald to continue sending the paper to Father at the Boulder Junction address until further notice.

This is catholic justice.

[ASUG8]

DB1 must be one hell of a fisherman.....

[D1B]

The NY Times story was false. Laurie Goodstein is a liar. This movie is a distortion of the facts.

Again, there was not a single allegation of abuse against Murphy after he was reassigned in the early 1970s. There were 29 accusations against him in total (not 200, which is a blatant lie).

Joltin Joe

1. Page 37 of Joe's Link:

Father Brundage also noted to us that there is some indication from the Diocese of Superior that Father Murphy has continued his contact with deaf people by helping out with deaf retreats and Mass against the directives of Archbishop Weakland and Bishop SkIba.

This document was dated February 24, 1997

No official catholic-approved allegation doesn't mean he did not rape more kids. MOF, every child abuse professional alive would bet their life that Murphy offended again and again, especially since he had the power that comes from being a man of the cloth. You don't just "turn off" a serial pedophile, you dipshit. This guy may be the most prolific child predator in the history of the world, and he's a catholic priest.

2. Joe got his "29 accusations" from a page of handwritten notes from a professional (Kathy Wolter, MSW) hired by the church to assess the situation. See page 7 here http://documents.nytimes.com/reverend-l ... s#document" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Note this 29 number is what the catholic church offered. The same church that has repeatedly lied, withheld evidence and distorted facts to protect its assets. They've done it thousands of times and spent hundreds of millions to hire the people to do it. Now, go down to page 10 where the same professional says the following "Complainants allege that client sexually abused about 200 boys. The estimate is likely to be fairly accurate." Again, when you factor in that he was a priest and had access to hundreds of boys, handicapped boys, handicapped boys with serious communication challenges, handicapped boys with serious communications challenges and not in the custody of their parents, his victims are probably closer to 500 or more for a 50 year career. That's only 10 a year for a sick fuck, serial predator operating in a totally safe environment where even if he got caught, the catholics would simply send him to another parish for some fresh meat. It was a disaster waiting to happen, and it happened.

Joe you aint in court.

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JoltinJoe wrote:

The NY Times story was false. Laurie Goodstein is a liar. This movie is a distortion of the facts.

Again, there was not a single allegation of abuse against Murphy after he was reassigned in the early 1970s. There were 29 accusations against him in total (not 200, which is a blatant lie).

More evidence to the contrary:

New York Times:

Those interviews and documents suggested that Father Murphy, who is accused of molesting as many as 200 boys at the school near Milwaukee, also used his family’s lakefront cottage as a lure in his sexual advances, bringing youths from the school into his home beginning at least in the early 1960s.

What has recently come to light in fresh documents and interviews is that he was in the company of boys not only from the Milwaukee area but in the Northwoods region. Two in the area have accused Father Murphy of abuse, one at the isolated family cottage and the other, as late as 1978, at a youth detention center near Boulder Junction.

Speaking with a therapist years later, Father Murphy denied having any sexual contact “with any person” after leaving the school for the deaf in 1974.

Julie Wolf, communications director for the Archdiocese of Milwaukee, said that Father Murphy was placed on certain restrictions upon leaving Milwaukee that included not having any contact with children and that “he ignored the restrictions.”

Ms. Wolf added, “Over time, they tried to deal with him, but over time they weren’t successful.”

In fact, around Boulder Junction, in high school religious classes and preparation for the sacrament of confirmation, in sleepovers at his cottage and fishing excursions, Father Murphy interacted freely with children until his death in 1998, never having been punished by the church or local criminal authorities in Milwaukee, according to documents and interviews with people in the area.

Donald Marshall, who is 45 and lives in West Allis, Wis., said in an interview last week that he was molested by Father Murphy in 1977 or 1978, when he was 13 or 14, a few years after Father Murphy was sent to live in Boulder Junction.

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[JoltinJoe]

You fool, this Marshall lawsuit was dismissed. Remember?

The case itself is irrelevant - I cite it merely as an example of how lawyers have had to be tenacious and persistant to get much of the evil into the light of day - if not then most of the cases would've been buried under confidentiality agreements or dismissed due to statute of limitation laws.

Oh, I agree with you, that's why I said it is "interesting to note."

Also, I was tooting my own horn a bit, because relying completely on documents published on the NY Times website (which obviously the Times itself did not bother to read), I tore this case apart, completely, in just three days.

Here is a post I made on March 29, 2010, which proved that Anderson was not telling the truth about this case:

Jeff, the most troubling aspect of this story should be, at least, that the Milwaukee DA's office had information about Fr. Murphy in the 1970s and yet did not prosecute him. THAT's the story here. I wonder why no one is focusing on that? Wait! Could it be that focusing on the real story (i) doesn't advance an anti-Catholic agenda and (ii) that the background "sources" of this story (personal injury attorneys in Milwaukee) don't have any financial interest in exposing the failure of the DA's office because they are trying to sue the Church, and to gain leverage in the case by trying to involve the Pope?

If you go through the documents, you will see that:

(1) Archbishop Weakland becomes aware of allegations against Fr. Murphy in 1993.
(2) He convenes an investigation of the allegations.
(3) In 1996, he writes two letters to Cardinal Ratzinger, one in which he outlines the information he has obtained against Fr. Murphy and the second in which he seeks authorization to initiate canonical charges against Fr. Murphy.
(4) In 1997, or about eight months later, Cardinal Bertone responds that the CDF has evaluated the allegations and GRANTS authorization to initiate proceedings against Fr. Murphy.
(5) On January 8, 1998, Fr. Murphy appeals to Cardinal Ratzinger to terminate the proceedings against him; he cites the canonical statute of limitations; that he is old and infirm; and that there are no allegations against him arising in the past 24 years. No one ever responds to Fr. Murphy.
(6) In Apil 1998, Cardinal Bertone writes to the Bishop overseeing the case. He says that the claims are not barred by the statute of limitations, but that the health of Fr. Murphy and the difficulty in proving old charges suggests that perhaps the Tribunal should resolve the charges by having Fr. Murphy agreeing to pastoral restrictions and assiging him to a retreat house to live out the rest of his life.
(7) The Bishop Superior responds on May 13, 1998 that he has considered requesting Fr. Murphy plead down to accept pastoral restrictions, but he feels that there was no effective way to address the harm and give justice to the victims other than a full canonical trial leading to defrocking.
(8) The Tribunal interviews victims throughout May and into June 1998. Fr. Murphy is questioned on June 30, 1998.
(9) On May 30, 1998, the CDF, the Bishop and others meet in Rome to discuss the case. The CDF expresses concern that, given the age of the cases and the relevant burden of proof standard, a conviction may be difficult to secure. Reference is also made to Fr. Murphy's frail health. The CDF suggests that the Tribunal direct that Fr. Murphy take a retreat to think about the gravity of his offenses and then return and demonstrate the sincerity of his repentance by accepting his guilt to the charges. No formal decision would be rendered during this time and the proceedings would be abated while he was on retreat.
(10) After testifying, Fr. Murphy goes on the retreat requested by the Vatican in July 1998.
(11) In August, the Bishop Superior writes that he has abated the proceedings indefinitely. It is clear he knows that Fr. Murphy is dying at this time, as he starts a discussion as to what arrangements should be made upon Fr. Murphy's death.
(12) The Tribunal advises Fr. Murphy's family that his funeral must be a small, private affair and that Fr. Murphy shall not be buried in priestly garb.
(13) Fr. Murphy dies on August 21, 1998 without a decision being formally rendered in his case.
(14) The family defies the Archbishop by conducting a public funeral with a priest from outside the diocese, and burying Fr. Murphy is his priestly robe.
(15) On August 27, 1998. the Archbishop closes the case against Fr. Murphy due to his death.
(16) On September 2, 1998, the Archbishop advises the Vatican that Fr. Murphy has died and its file may be closed.

The inference that the PI lawyers are trying to raise (and which it fed to the guillibe, biased NY Times writer) is that the Vatican acted to stop the proceedings against Fr. Murphy. This allegation/inference is categorically false.

[D1B]

You aint in court. Again:

Speaking with a therapist years later, Father Murphy denied having any sexual contact “with any person” after leaving the school for the deaf in 1974.

Julie Wolf, communications director for the Archdiocese of Milwaukee, said that Father Murphy was placed on certain restrictions upon leaving Milwaukee that included not having any contact with children and that “he ignored the restrictions.”

Ms. Wolf added, “Over time, they tried to deal with him, but over time they weren’t successful.”

In fact, around Boulder Junction, in high school religious classes and preparation for the sacrament of confirmation, in sleepovers at his cottage and fishing excursions, Father Murphy interacted freely with children until his death in 1998, never having been punished by the church or local criminal authorities in Milwaukee, according to documents and interviews with people in the area.

No mention of Marshall here. Nice nitpicking attempt. I suppose Julie Wolf is a liar too.

It's clear that Murphy did not get prosecuted primarily because the church did not fully cooperate with law enforcement. If they gave the police all they knew, much of it detailed above, he would have been in prison in the 60's. I will though grant you some slack here, but it really speaks to how fucking scary and powerful religion and your fucking church is when people (police officers, judges, prosecutors, juries) would rather let a serial pedophile run wild then hold the church accountable for it's failures.

[D1B]

Joltin Joe: You fool, this Marshall lawsuit was dismissed. Remember?

I know of the case below where Marshall et al, tried to sue the Vatican. Brave and courageous, but they asked to dismiss it cuz they knew they could not touch the Vatican. What does this have to do with anything?

You aint in court.

Three Americans who allege they were sexually abused by priests are dropping their landmark lawsuit against the Vatican, according to The Wall Street Journal.

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The attorney for the trio last Monday asked U.S. District Court Judge John Heyburn to dismiss the landmark lawsuit, filed in federal court in Louisville, Ky., in 2004. The lawyer, William McMurray, basically said his clients wouldn’t be able to hold the Holy See in Rome responsible for the priest sex abuse scandal in the United States, because of the “impossible burden” of proof required by U.S. courts.
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Father Murphy, the greatest enemy of children and mass molester of hundreds of handicapped children was a product of the catholic church. They did nothing.

[JoltinJoe]

I know of the case below where Marshall et al, tried to sue the Vatican. Brave and courageous, but they asked to dismiss it cuz they knew they could not touch the Vatican. What does this have to do with anything?.

Let's see. A motion to dismiss for failure to state a claim is filed. And before the motion is granted, the plaintiffs withdraw their complaint and issue a press release complaining about the "impossible burden" being placed on them by the courts -- like having some proof.

You are a sucker.

Good thing for them that Ander$nap can buy a Hollywood producer to make a documentary about their fiction.

Why don't you just admit I nailed these fraudulent reports when the NY Times "broke" the story. The courts threw them out on their ear, and Ander$nap has now bought off a documentary maker.

[D1B]

I know of the case below where Marshall et al, tried to sue the Vatican. Brave and courageous, but they asked to dismiss it cuz they knew they could not touch the Vatican. What does this have to do with anything?.

Let's see. A motion to dismiss for failure to state a claim is filed. And before the motion is granted, the plaintiffs withdraw their complaint and issue a press release complaining about the "impossible burden" being placed on them by the courts -- like having some proof.

You are a sucker.

Good thing for them that Ander$nap can buy a Hollywood producer to make a documentary about their fiction.

Why don't you just admit I nailed these fraudulent reports when the NY Times "broke" the story. The courts threw them out on their ear, and Ander$nap has now bought off a documentary maker.

Lol, you've finally gone off the deep end.

Murphy raped 200 handicapped children and he's a product of the Catholic Church.

The Catholic Church did nothing.

I don't expect cult members like you to comprehend this reality.

Btw, I don't get HBO. Can you record it for me?

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Academy Award winning director-duped
Several New York Times Journalists-duped
Several Archdiocese employees including spokespersons, priests and nuns-duped
Countless media outlets including Reuters, ABC, CBS, and more-duped
HBO-duped
Countless major metro area media-duped
The deaf community (Wisconsin)-duped
Rolling Stone, Vanity Fair, Slate and other prominent periodicals-duped
Chris Hitchens, Sam Harris, Richard Dawkins-duped
The outraged community of Milwaukee-duped
The lawyers, fact checkers, editors and management of all the above organizations-duped

Joltin joe-not duped

What an arrogant fuck.

[CID1990]

Hell I'm glad the Catholic Church shelters these guys. Keeps them away from Little League.

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Milwaukee Film Festival - Duped
London International Film Festival - Duped
Chicago International Film Festival - Duped
Hamptons IFF - Duped
Woodstock IFF - Duped
Toronto IFF - Duped

[D1B]

Hell I'm glad the Catholic Church shelters these guys. Keeps them away from Little League.

They're there, but in much less numbers. You see, in a secular society, when you rape 200 handicapped kids, you die or you go to prison for life. The catholic church still has not learned about things like justice, human decency and doing the right thing-even if difficult. They may need 2000 more years.

[Cap'n Cat]

Hell I'm glad the Catholic Church shelters these guys. Keeps them away from Little League.

They're there, but in much less numbers. You see, in a secular society, when you rape 200 handicapped kids, you die or you go to prison for life. The catholic church still has not learned about things like justice, human decency and doing the right thing-even if difficult. They may need 2000 more years.

This.

Shame even trying to defend them, Joe.

[JoltinJoe]

I love this "shame on you for even defending them" shit.

You guys claim a license to distort and lie, and if someone comes along and proves the distortions, you say that these people defend pedophiles and shame on them.

Shame on both of you for being big fat liars, and for being gullible fools too.

[D1B]

I love this "shame on you for even defending them" shit.

You guys claim a license to distort and lie, and if someone comes along and proves the distortions, you say that these people defend pedophiles and shame on them.

Shame on both of you for being big fat liars, and for being gullible fools too.

Joe, you didn't disprove that Father Murphy raped 200 handicapped boys.

Joe, you did not disprove that the Vatican lollygagged for several decades and ultimately failed to bring the worlds most prolific pedophile to justice.

Joe, you did not disprove that the Vatican and people like you enabled Murphy and thousands of other pedophiles in your church through inaction, blaming victims and their advocates, cover-up and excuse-making.

You are deep in a cult, Joe. Let me say this again - you are way too deep in a cult and you need help. PM if you want resources on how to escape cults. Cap'n Cat and I are here for you.

[CID1990]

Hell if they take a vow if celibacy I don't see the harm in just cutting their balls off as a part of their ordination. They won't need them anyway, it'll prevent the urge to pork little boys in the butt, and they'll have a ready supply of castratis for the church choirs.

[D1B]

Hell if they take a vow if celibacy I don't see the harm in just cutting their balls off as a part of their ordination. They won't need them anyway, it'll prevent the urge to pork little boys in the butt, and they'll have a ready supply of castratis for the church choirs.

How about just dropping religion all together. We've matured as a species to the point where it is no longer necessary. It's nothing but nonsense for fools, charlatans and victims.

[CID1990]

Hell if they take a vow if celibacy I don't see the harm in just cutting their balls off as a part of their ordination. They won't need them anyway, it'll prevent the urge to pork little boys in the butt, and they'll have a ready supply of castratis for the church choirs.

How about just dropping religion all together. We've matured as a species to the point where it is no longer necessary. It's nothing but nonsense for fools, charlatans and victims.

Nah. I'm with Cleets on religion.

[D1B]

How about just dropping religion all together. We've matured as a species to the point where it is no longer necessary. It's nothing but nonsense for fools, charlatans and victims.

Nah. I'm with Cleets on religion.

Cletus is an atheit. interested in religion similar to how a bird watcher is interested in birds.

[CID1990]

Nah. I'm with Cleets on religion.

Cletus is an atheit. interested in religion similar to how a bird watcher is interested in birds.

No he isn't. He talks a big game, but he approves of religion in terms of its more benign effects, in a pothead-humanist-hippie-with-a-hairy- Italian chick-fetish sort of way.