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This is also the case that Joltin Joe tried to minimize as no big deal. Should be interesting, as it's a major Hollywood production and eligible for an Academy Award.

Just sick.

Hen - date of story - 10/2/2012.
It is a story almost too horrible to comprehend.

Deaf boys sent by their parents to a Catholic boarding school in Wisconsin, where they were molested again and again by a popular priest who stalked them in their dorm rooms at night, on trips to his North Woods cabin, even in the confessional.

Dismissed as "mentally retarded," they were often not believed, or worse ignored, for years by the Archdiocese of Milwaukee, police, prosecutors and the media.

Gary Smith and Arthur Budzinski are among the victims of the late Father Lawrence Murphy who have worked for decades to make their voices heard. Their heartbreaking accounts have since been told on the pages of the Journal Sentinel and The New York Times.

Now they'll reach a new and potentially wider audience with the release of an HBO documentary by Academy Award-winning filmmaker Alex Gibney.

"Mea Maxima Culpa: Silence in the House of God," which makes its U.S. debut at the Milwaukee Film Festival on Friday, traces the church's global sex abuse crisis, and the Murphy case in particular, to the highest reaches of the Vatican.

"I started crying even before they turned it on," Budzinski - who got his first glimpse of the movie at the Toronto Film Festival last month - said, signing through his daughter, Gigi.

"You think, it's a movie now. Maybe people will finally understand."

Budzinski of West Allis and Smith of Milwaukee are among five alumni of the now defunct St. John's School for the Deaf in St. Francis who are featured in the film (one posthumously), which recounts one of the most sordid chapters in the American Catholic Church.

Murphy, who worked at St. John's from 1950 to 1974, is believed to have molested as many as 200 deaf boys before his death in 1998. Bishops had known about the abuse for decades but did not move to defrock him until he was near death.
Also covers New York's top catholic asshole, Tim Dolan who paid pedophile priests $20,000 each to "disappear" and transferred millions of dollars from Milwaukee to avoid losing it in bankruptcy.

The catholic church - a colossal American and world embarrassment. :nod:
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Saw the trailer, which repeats the oft-quoted lies that the priest molested 200 boys and that Cardinal Ratzinger intervened to prevent him from being defrocked.

These lies have been conclusively rebutted.

So the film has an agenda and its funding came from PI lawyers. Great.
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JoltinJoe wrote:Saw the trailer, which repeats the oft-quoted lies that the priest molested 200 boys and that Cardinal Ratzinger intervened to prevent him from being defrocked.

These lies have been conclusively rebutted.

So the film has an agenda and its funding came from PI lawyers. Great.

These facts have been denied by the catholic church as part of well-orchestrated and well-funded cover up by the catholic church.

He most likely abused thousands in a 50 year career of abusing handicapped children - only 4 a year for 50 years!? No way.

Joltin Joe is back to defend Murphy and the church's handling of this case. :thumb:
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The most remarkable thing about this story, first reported by the NY Times, was that on its on-line edition, the Times linked to documents. If you actually clicked on that link, and read the documents, you would have immediately discovered that the reported story was false in almost every material way. So now we have a documentary admittedly based on the false NY Times story.

This is what I posted at the time.
The New York Times has been reporting, in the case of Fr. Lawrence Murphy, (i) that he wrote a letter to Cardinal Ratzinger pleading that the pending canonical charges against him should not be pursued because of the age of his charges and his ill health and (ii) that thereafter the proceedings against him were terminated at the direction of Cardinal Bertone, Cardinal Ratzinger's underling.

The inference (and even I believed it) was that the Vatican and Cardinal Ratzinger "equivocated" and then acted to suspend the proceedings due to the age and illness of Fr. Murphy, and because the statute of limitations had passed.

Under the headline, "Vatican Declined to Defrock US Priest Who Abused Boys" (a headline which is calculated to mislead because the Vatican does not defrock priests; local dioceses do after canonical trials), the Times on March 24 reported the following lie:

But Cardinal Bertone halted the process after Father Murphy personally wrote to Cardinal Ratzinger protesting that he should not be put on trial because he had already repented and was in poor health and that the case was beyond the church’s own statute of limitations.

NOT TRUE.

In fact, the proceedings were terminated because Fr. Murphy died in 1998.

Take a look at the documents posted on the NY Times website.

http://documents.nytimes.com/reverend-l ... s#document

Fr. Murphy's letter to Cardinal Ratzinger is dated January 12, 1998.

Cardinal Ratzinger never responded to Fr. Murphy's letter. Instead, in April, Cardinal Bertone responded that, because of the age and ill health of Fr. Murphy, the Tribunal should consider pastoral restrictions rather than canonical charges. Cardinal Bertone specifically rejects the claim is time barred. He does not direct the termination of the proceedings against Fr. Murphy, however. (p. 58).

The Bishop of the Superior responds to Cardinal Bertone on May 13, 1998 (p. 60). He says he has already considered pursuing pastoral restrictions, but that the effectiveness of such measures had, in his opinion, been exhausted. "I have come to the conclusion that scandal cannot be sufficiently repaired, nor justice sufficiently restored, without a judicial trial against Fr. Murphy."

If you look closely at the documents, it becomes apparent that the proceedings against Fr. Murphy continued and were active throughout 1998, despite his plea to Cardinal Ratzinger.

On page 83 of these documents, a memo from April 1998 indicates that the Tribunal intends to interview victims throoughout May and June 1998, that Fr. Murphy will be interviewed on June 30, 1998, and that a decision would be forthcoming "during the month of August 1998."

Fr. Murphy died on August 19, 1998, before the decision was rendered. The case was still active at the time of his death (see Bishop Weakland's letter dated September 10, 1998. p. 79: "Prior to Fr. Murphy's death, the archdiocese had been actively pursuing a legal Church case againt him" but "[h]is death, however, put an end to the case.")

On September 2, 1998, the Archdiocese of Milwaukee informed the Vatican of Fr. Murph's death (p. 77) and advised that the Vatican could now close its file on "this sad case."

So the reports that Cardinal Ratzinger acted to suspend the proceedings are just an outright fabrication by the so-called paper of record. The proceedings continued until the priest died.
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JoltinJoe wrote:The most remarkable thing about this story, first reported by the NY Times, was that on its on-line edition, the Times linked to documents. If you actually clicked on that link, and read the documents, you would have immediately discovered that the reported story was false in almost every material way. So now we have a documentary admittedly based on the false NY Times story.

This is what I posted at the time.
The New York Times has been reporting, in the case of Fr. Lawrence Murphy, (i) that he wrote a letter to Cardinal Ratzinger pleading that the pending canonical charges against him should not be pursued because of the age of his charges and his ill health and (ii) that thereafter the proceedings against him were terminated at the direction of Cardinal Bertone, Cardinal Ratzinger's underling.

The inference (and even I believed it) was that the Vatican and Cardinal Ratzinger "equivocated" and then acted to suspend the proceedings due to the age and illness of Fr. Murphy, and because the statute of limitations had passed.

Under the headline, "Vatican Declined to Defrock US Priest Who Abused Boys" (a headline which is calculated to mislead because the Vatican does not defrock priests; local dioceses do after canonical trials), the Times on March 24 reported the following lie:

But Cardinal Bertone halted the process after Father Murphy personally wrote to Cardinal Ratzinger protesting that he should not be put on trial because he had already repented and was in poor health and that the case was beyond the church’s own statute of limitations.

NOT TRUE.

In fact, the proceedings were terminated because Fr. Murphy died in 1998.

Take a look at the documents posted on the NY Times website.

http://documents.nytimes.com/reverend-l ... s#document

Fr. Murphy's letter to Cardinal Ratzinger is dated January 12, 1998.

Cardinal Ratzinger never responded to Fr. Murphy's letter. Instead, in April, Cardinal Bertone responded that, because of the age and ill health of Fr. Murphy, the Tribunal should consider pastoral restrictions rather than canonical charges. Cardinal Bertone specifically rejects the claim is time barred. He does not direct the termination of the proceedings against Fr. Murphy, however. (p. 58).

The Bishop of the Superior responds to Cardinal Bertone on May 13, 1998 (p. 60). He says he has already considered pursuing pastoral restrictions, but that the effectiveness of such measures had, in his opinion, been exhausted. "I have come to the conclusion that scandal cannot be sufficiently repaired, nor justice sufficiently restored, without a judicial trial against Fr. Murphy."

If you look closely at the documents, it becomes apparent that the proceedings against Fr. Murphy continued and were active throughout 1998, despite his plea to Cardinal Ratzinger.

On page 83 of these documents, a memo from April 1998 indicates that the Tribunal intends to interview victims throoughout May and June 1998, that Fr. Murphy will be interviewed on June 30, 1998, and that a decision would be forthcoming "during the month of August 1998."

Fr. Murphy died on August 19, 1998, before the decision was rendered. The case was still active at the time of his death (see Bishop Weakland's letter dated September 10, 1998. p. 79: "Prior to Fr. Murphy's death, the archdiocese had been actively pursuing a legal Church case againt him" but "[h]is death, however, put an end to the case.")

On September 2, 1998, the Archdiocese of Milwaukee informed the Vatican of Fr. Murph's death (p. 77) and advised that the Vatican could now close its file on "this sad case."

So the reports that Cardinal Ratzinger acted to suspend the proceedings are just an outright fabrication by the so-called paper of record. The proceedings continued until the priest died.

Joe, Father Murphy raped hundreds of deaf kids. He was allowed to be a priest for 50 years and never defrocked.

You should be ashamed.
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You are the perfect dope targeted by this film.

This isn't about Murphy. This is a well-financed initiative by PI lawyers to tell a distorted story about "higher ups" in the church, most notably the Pope, to enrage people, and to get the Statute of Limitations abrogated so that all sorts of claims (most of them dubious and unsubstantiated) can be made against the Milwaukee Archdiocese.

The film concentrates on four compelling victims in order to open the gates; but once the gates are open, all sorts of weak claimants will come forward in mass. The real winners, however, will be the attorneys.

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JoltinJoe wrote:You are the perfect dope targeted by this film.

This isn't about Murphy. This is a well-financed initiative by PI lawyers to tell a distorted story about "higher ups" in the church, most notably the Pope, to enrage people, and to get the Statute of Limitations abrogated so that all sorts of claims (most of them dubious and unsubstantiated) can be made against the Milwaukee Archdiocese.

The film concentrates on four compelling victims in order to open the gates; but once the gates are open, all sorts of weak claimants will come forward in mass. The real winners, however, will be the attorneys.

:dunce:

Joe, Father Murphy raped hundreds of deaf kids. He was allowed to be a priest for 50 years and never defrocked.

You should be ashamed.
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D1B wrote:Hen - date of story - 10/2/2012
:lol: Glad you feel the need to document your story dates, but it's a story about a movie about a priest that died in 1998. :dunce:
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D1B wrote:Hen - date of story - 10/2/2012
:lol: Glad you feel the need to document your story dates, but it's a story about a movie about a priest that died in 1998. :dunce:
Hen, Father Murphy raped hundreds of deaf kids. He was allowed to be a priest for 50 years and never defrocked.

You should be ashamed.
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D1B wrote:Hen, Father Murphy raped hundreds of deaf kids. He was allowed to be a priest for 50 years and never defrocked.

You should be ashamed.
It's horrible, but why did you feel the need to put a date? Almost insinuating that this was a new story.
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89Hen wrote:
D1B wrote:Hen, Father Murphy raped hundreds of deaf kids. He was allowed to be a priest for 50 years and never defrocked.

You should be ashamed.
It's horrible, but why did you feel the need to put a date? Almost insinuating that this was a new story.
The new part has to do with the release of the movie. It's debuting this week and it's an HBO production, meaning it will be seen by millions of people. It will also be eligible for an Acadamy Award.

I await the catholic lawsuit against HBO for this "Pack of lies." :lol: :roll: Right, Joe?
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wat defrock?
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Here's the trailer that Joltin Joe saw and then, again, attempted to minimize the crimes of his church and defend Father Murphy, an animal of the most evil kind.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSstCtWl54w[/youtube]
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Reviews of Mea-Maxima...

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/review ... iew-374736" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Then Mea Maxima Culpa broadens the scope of its argument, examining the ways in which Murphy’s superiors protected him, from the Milwaukee Bishop all the way up to the highest levels of the Vatican. Gibney interviews several credible experts, including former Benedictine monks, Richard Sipe and Patrick J. Wall, who testify to the disturbingly wide prevalence of abuse cases, and the ways in which they were continually whitewashed, creating a system that “protects, defends and produces sexual abusers,” according to Sipe.

The film also presents a fascinating glimpse into the Servants of the Paraclete, an official Catholic organisation devoted to counseling clergy with pedophilic pasts, as well as addresses Ireland’s most significant Catholic sex abuse case, involving a priest who impersonated Elvis and molested hundreds of boys, and yet, was kept from criminal prosecution for years.

Even the current Pope Benedict the 16th isn’t immune from the film’s investigation. Despite the Pope’s claims that the sex abuse scandals were a surprise to him, Gibney reveals that, as a Cardinal, he headed up a Vatican council that oversaw the entire history of child sex abuse in the Catholic Church, dating back over 1,000 years.
http://www.screendaily.com/reviews/the- ... 89.article" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Even if you think you know the sordid details of the sex scandal concerning predatory priests in the Roman Catholic Church, director Alex Gibney’s Mea Maxima Culpa: Silence in the House of God is eye-opening.

In fact, it should be compulsory viewing for all Catholics, whether they blame or defend the church, for its clarity and insight into just who holds responsibility for decades of child abuse at the hands of clergy. Gibney does not rely on the usual broad strokes of anti-priest propaganda that has come to define this scandal. Instead, he meticulously attends to the details of the biggest cases, giving voice to the victims and even revealing the rarely heard frustration by the “good priests” who tried to stop the sins of their colleagues.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2 ... -knew.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Crimes on children by people like this, men or women, should never be taken lightly due to the profound impact on the victims and their families, likewise those that cover up something like this to attempt to save the embarassment to their orgaization are, in my opnion, worse than the sick fucks that get off on children. The pedaphiles are screwed up and wired wrong, those than enable the actions should be hung!

I :clap: HBO for telling the story.
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D1B wrote:Reviews of Mea-Maxima...

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/review ... iew-374736" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Then Mea Maxima Culpa broadens the scope of its argument, examining the ways in which Murphy’s superiors protected him, from the Milwaukee Bishop all the way up to the highest levels of the Vatican. Gibney interviews several credible experts, including former Benedictine monks, Richard Sipe and Patrick J. Wall, who testify to the disturbingly wide prevalence of abuse cases, and the ways in which they were continually whitewashed, creating a system that “protects, defends and produces sexual abusers,” according to Sipe.

The film also presents a fascinating glimpse into the Servants of the Paraclete, an official Catholic organisation devoted to counseling clergy with pedophilic pasts, as well as addresses Ireland’s most significant Catholic sex abuse case, involving a priest who impersonated Elvis and molested hundreds of boys, and yet, was kept from criminal prosecution for years.

Even the current Pope Benedict the 16th isn’t immune from the film’s investigation. Despite the Pope’s claims that the sex abuse scandals were a surprise to him, Gibney reveals that, as a Cardinal, he headed up a Vatican council that oversaw the entire history of child sex abuse in the Catholic Church, dating back over 1,000 years.
http://www.screendaily.com/reviews/the- ... 89.article" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Even if you think you know the sordid details of the sex scandal concerning predatory priests in the Roman Catholic Church, director Alex Gibney’s Mea Maxima Culpa: Silence in the House of God is eye-opening.

In fact, it should be compulsory viewing for all Catholics, whether they blame or defend the church, for its clarity and insight into just who holds responsibility for decades of child abuse at the hands of clergy. Gibney does not rely on the usual broad strokes of anti-priest propaganda that has come to define this scandal. Instead, he meticulously attends to the details of the biggest cases, giving voice to the victims and even revealing the rarely heard frustration by the “good priests” who tried to stop the sins of their colleagues.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2 ... -knew.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
And all you need to do is click on the link to the documents I provided, and you will discover for yourself that much of the information being reported in this documentary is false.

Here are the actual facts: Murphy was turned over for prosecution in the early 1970s; the prosecutor let him cop to a plea deal for no jail time and he was turned back to the Church, which assigned him to a monastery and thereafter restricted his activities. Murphy periodically thereafter performed duties in parishes, but there are no allegations of abuse after he was assigned to a monastery.

When victims complained to Bishop Weakland in the early 1990s about Murphy, Bishop Weakland ordered proceedings be initiated to defrock Murphy. Those proceedings were suspended in 1998 when Murphy became gravely ill and were terminated when he died shortly thereafter.

No one at the Vatican ordered that the proceedings be stopped.

The NY Times story was false. Laurie Goodstein is a liar. This movie is a distortion of the facts.

Again, there was not a single allegation of abuse against Murphy after he was reassigned in the early 1970s. There were 29 accusations against him in total (not 200, which is a blatant lie).
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JoltinJoe wrote:
D1B wrote:Reviews of Mea-Maxima...

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/review ... iew-374736" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;



http://www.screendaily.com/reviews/the- ... 89.article" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;



http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2 ... -knew.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
And all you need to do is click on the link to the documents I provided, and you will discover for yourself that much of the information being reported in this documentary is false.

Here are the actual facts: Murphy was turned over for prosecution in the early 1970s; the prosecutor let him cop to a plea deal for no jail time and he was turned back to the Church, which assigned him to a monastery and thereafter restricted his activities. Murphy periodically thereafter performed duties in parishes, but there are no allegations of abuse after he was assigned to a monastery.

When victims complained to Bishop Weakland in the early 1990s about Murphy, Bishop Weakland ordered proceedings be initiated to defrock Murphy. Those proceedings were suspended in 1998 when Murphy became gravely ill and were terminated when he died shortly thereafter.

No one at the Vatican ordered that the proceedings be stopped.

The NY Times story was false. Laurie Goodstein is a liar. This movie is a distortion of the facts.

Again, there was not a single allegation of abuse against Murphy after he was reassigned in the early 1970s. There were 29 accusations against him in total (not 200, which is a blatant lie).
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I'm messed up? :lol:

I'm doing a lot better than you. Fact. :nod:
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JoltinJoe wrote:I'm messed up? :lol:

I'm doing a lot better than you. Fact. :nod:
Murphy raped 200 handicapped kids and you and your church helped him.

BTW, how's Liguori doing?
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Review from Variety:
With a staggering arsenal of interviews, documents and archival materials at his disposal, Gibney digs deep into the case of Lawrence Murphy, a priest alleged to have abused more than 200 boys while teaching at St. John's School for the Deaf in Milwaukee from 1950-74. Four alums -- Terry Kohut, Gary Smith, Pat Kuehn and Arthur Budzinski -- recall in sign language about how Murphy repeatedly molested them well into their teenage years, painting an angry picture of how their disability rendered them especially vulnerable to the misdeeds of a trusted leader and made it even more difficult for them to tell others what was going on.

The men strike a heroic note when they describe how, in a fit of determination and desperation, they slapped Murphy's face on hand-drawn "wanted" fliers and circulated them around the school and neighboring community. Yet the courageous gesture came to naught as the boys' claims were cursorily investigated but largely ignored by Milwaukee cops and legal officials, many of them Catholic. One of the film's unmistakable conclusions is that no parish in the '60s and early '70s was prepared to accept the notion that a priest, let alone thousands worldwide, could be capable of such grievous wrongdoing.

Gibney fans out to interview psychological experts, human-rights attorneys, Catholic journalists and even ex-clergymen who offer piercing insights into the systemic nature of abuse and cover-up within the Church. Richard Sipe, a mental-health counselor and former Benedictine monk, illuminates the twisted nature of "noble-cause corruption," explaining how a priest could convince himself that his acts of abuse were in fact acts of consecration, supposedly cleansing his victims of their adolescent lusts by stimulating them sexually. Patrick J. Wall, now an expert witness on behalf of abuse victims, describes how he once worked as a Church "fixer," paying out large settlements in exchange for strict confidentiality agreements and seeing that offending priests were not defrocked, but simply moved to other parishes and/or treatment centers.

Silence, as referenced by the title, is a key theme here, applying to not only the communication barrier the boys of St. John's found themselves up against, but also the Church's code of secrecy and disavowal of accountability. A thoroughly damning portrait emerges of an arrogant, unfeeling institution that sees its authority as absolute; that invokes canon law in order to hush up scandals and excommunicate those who would bring the truth to light; and that shows greater mercy toward its perpetrators than toward those who suffered at their hands. The documentary reserves its most withering attack for the Vatican itself (none of whose officials agreed to be interviewed), advancing an exhaustively detailed argument that Pope Benedict XVI is the single most knowledgeable figure on the Church's history of sexual abuse, yet has done far too little to reach out to victims or to bring violators to justice.
This says it all:
A thoroughly damning portrait emerges of an arrogant, unfeeling institution that sees its authority as absolute; that invokes canon law in order to hush up scandals and excommunicate those who would bring the truth to light; and that shows greater mercy toward its perpetrators than toward those who suffered at their hands.
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Picture of Father Murphy and one of hundreds of handicapped boys he molested.

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Father Murphy abused an estimated 200 children between 1950 and 1974. He crept into his students’ dormitories and molested them in the night. In his “organized system of abuse,” high school students that he abused in turn abused younger students. He singled out students whose parents were not fluent in sign language as a way to keep himself protected. He solicited children during confession.
Murphy was never brought to justice. Died and was buried in a catholic cemetery.


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JoltinJoe wrote:You are the perfect dope targeted by this film.

This isn't about Murphy. This is a well-financed initiative by PI lawyers to tell a distorted story about "higher ups" in the church, most notably the Pope, to enrage people, and to get the Statute of Limitations abrogated so that all sorts of claims (most of them dubious and unsubstantiated) can be made against the Milwaukee Archdiocese.

The film concentrates on four compelling victims in order to open the gates; but once the gates are open, all sorts of weak claimants will come forward in mass. The real winners, however, will be the attorneys.

:dunce:
Cultist,

Check this out from the Times docs. Murphy, like almost all predator priests, continue to work, unsupervised, in the church and other priests protected them and made excuses for them, like you do.


July 9, 1980

The Reverend Joseph A. Janicki Vicar for Personnel - Archdiocese of Milwaukee P.O. Box 2018 Milwaukee, WI 53201 Dear Father Janicki: Father, Lawrence MUrphy from the Archdiocese of Milwaukee is presently residing near Boulder Junction, Wisconsin. He lives privately with his mother. He has become a very good friend and a pastoral associate of Father Irving C. Meyett at St. Anne's Church 'in Boulder Junction. Father Meyett is also responsible for the missions at presque, Isle and Sayner. I am sure Father Murphy 'assists him in all three· places.....I think Father Murphy has a great deal to offer, :lol: especially in the area of the deaf apDstolate. He can be reached at St. Anne's Church, P.O. Box 110, Boulder Junction, Wisconsin 545120 Hoping you continue to cultivate your good nature and sense of humor, I remain Very sincerely in Christ,The Most Rev. Raphael M. Fliss Coadjutor Bishop of Superior RMF:mi

Catholics who think their priest, bishop or cardinal didn't know anything about what was going on are seriously delusional, like Joe. They all knew. :nod:
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Like the makers of this firm, and Laurie Goodstein herself, you are a master of taking a document out-of-context.

In 1980, a pastor of a parish -- unaware of the reasons why Murphy had been left without a parish assignment -- wrote a letter to the director of personnel for the archdiocese, suggesting that Murphy be assigned to his parish and other duties related to that.

The request is, of course, denied.

Again, just click on the link and read everything in context.

Murphy was never assigned to a position where he could abuse a child after his actions become known the archdiocese, and in fact, there are no allegations of abuse after that point.

Murphy was also referred for prosecution in the early 1970s for his crimes -- and the prosecutor let him walk with a minor plea deal. If your bigoted head was not so full of anti-Catholic hate, you'd actually see the real issue here is why did the prosecutors not nail this monster when they had the chance?

It is amazing how the tale of what happened after Murphy was revealed as a pedophile has been spun, without any facts to support it.

Personal injury money is behind this film, incidentally.
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Re: HBO Doc detail abuse of deaf boys by catholic church

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D1B wrote:Picture of Father Murphy and one of hundreds of handicapped boys he molested.

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Father Murphy abused an estimated 200 children between 1950 and 1974. He crept into his students’ dormitories and molested them in the night. In his “organized system of abuse,” high school students that he abused in turn abused younger students. He singled out students whose parents were not fluent in sign language as a way to keep himself protected. He solicited children during confession.
Murphy was never brought to justice. Died and was buried in a catholic cemetery.


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Re: HBO Doc detail abuse of deaf boys by catholic church

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JoltinJoe wrote:Like the makers of this firm, and Laurie Goodstein herself, you are a master of taking a document out-of-context.

In 1980, a pastor of a parish -- unaware of the reasons why Murphy had been left without a parish assignment -- wrote a letter to the director of personnel for the archdiocese, suggesting that Murphy be assigned to his parish and other duties related to that.

The request is, of course, denied.

Again, just click on the link and read everything in context.

Murphy was never assigned to a position where he could abuse a child after his actions become known the archdiocese, and in fact, there are no allegations of abuse after that point.

Murphy was also referred for prosecution in the early 1970s for his crimes -- and the prosecutor let him walk with a minor plea deal. If your bigoted head was not so full of anti-Catholic hate, you'd actually see the real issue here is why did the prosecutors not nail this monster when they had the chance?

It is amazing how the tale of what happened after Murphy was revealed as a pedophile has been spun, without any facts to support it.

Personal injury money is behind this film, incidentally.

More lies and distortions from Pedo Joe.

How do you know he was assigned where he couldn't abuse? As long as he has a collar, he's in a position to abuse.

As the letter clearly statess, priests still had his back and he should have been in jail.

The catholic church could have cooperated and got a conviction. When the supervisors, handlers of the evidence, the cops, prosecuters, judge and jury are all catholic and all don't give a fuck about the kids, it's tough to achieve justice. :nod:

Murphy raped 200 handicapped boys, never served a day in jail and was buried in a catholic cemetery.
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