Where Are the 47% of Americans Who Pay No Income Taxes?

[death dealer]

Phuck, can't a fella say exactly how he feels when surrounded by his peers??

Was he incorrect or just politically incorrect? And actually, I'm really asking. Between the ride on Sunday, the pain I'm in from my crash, trying to sneak in a couple of hunts yesterday, and sixth grade science tests, I haven't seen what the hubbub is all about.

[CID1990]

All of you need to get your fat a$$es back to work and stop fvcking off. My shares are tanking with your pissant coffee breaks.

[Grizalltheway]

Don't you have some Spanish verbs to conjugate?

[Gil Dobie]

Depending on the year 45-47% of American's owe no Federal Income tax. A fact the will be ignored by the left and not brought up by the right.

[Baldy]

I've always said if you like paying taxes, pay more. I pay what I'm legally obligated to pay as dictated by IRS guidelines and not a penny more. The US government hasn't demonstrated any willingness to reign in spending, but want more of our money for more boondoggles. As a good Dem, you should:

* Make charitable contributions, but don't itemize them on your taxes.
* Own a home, but don't take the mortgage interest deduction on either your primary mortgage or HELO.
* If you owe $5K, just round it up to $10K - the IRS certainly won't mind additional income.

What do those have to do with the topic?

No one likes to pay more than their fair share. But some of us are smart enough to understand that there are many, many that don't - and I am not talking about the 47% - but corporations, rich, etc.


Republicans always throw out "class warfare" bullshit when the topic is eliminating the loopholes that allow weatlhy Americans to leach off the Government and not pay in. But what Rmoney is doing IS class warfare.

So calling him "Rmoney" was a misspelling or was it your version of 'class warfare'?

I believe Romney is the ONLY one in this campaign who is truthfully calling for lowering the rates, broaden the tax base, and actually eliminating tax loopholes.

....and please jon, would someone...anyone on the left finally explain to us what exactly is one's "fair share"?

[Baldy]

Why should Romney or Obama pay less than you?

But that's just it Kalm. It's not those guys that are going to feel that pain of the "rich" paying their fair share. Do you think they will miss a few hundred thousand or even a couple of million more come tax time? Probably in the end, not much. But while I may or may not have assets in excess of a million dollars, and my personal income may place me in the 1%, albeit in the lower segment, I feel that giving almost half of what I earn to the govt. is plenty. I shouldn't have to contribute any more while so many people aren't contributing shit. And as for CG's taxes, I'm not so sure we couldn't stand a slight increase in that rate, but I do agree that earnings from investment and risk should be taxed at a lower rate than regular salary.

just curious, dd. Your massive tax bill aside, what are your tax compliance costs? How much are you having to shell out to bookkeepers, accountants, CPA's, tax specialists, etc. just to keep your ass compliant and out of jail? That is the one cost that most people don't take into consideration when they preach from their soapbox.

[blueballs]

Jeezus H. Christ fellas.....

Am I the only one here that actually read the entire chart and thought about it?????

The charts states very plainly at the top "Non payers by state, % of filers with zero tax liability."

If you receive disability, some forms of SSI, welfare, or you work solely for cash off the grid, YOU WON'T FILE A TAX RETURN. Therefore, the chart only shows a fraction of those who pay no taxes and are moochers off the rest of us as it only shows those who actually filed. It also doesn't take into account those who cheat by under reporting (waiters, servers) or not reporting income (like the guy who mows your lawn for cash).

Romney is right and he was right to say it, regardless of how much the liberal media get their panties twisted because of it, because it isn't good for the country. You could almost make the case that it is "representation without taxation," to pun one of the tenets this country was founded upon.

That is why we need the Fair Tax so badly, because with the Fair Tax EVERYBODY pays their fair share, not just those who have certain types of income or who legally file and file legally.

[ASUMountaineer]

I've always said if you like paying taxes, pay more. I pay what I'm legally obligated to pay as dictated by IRS guidelines and not a penny more. The US government hasn't demonstrated any willingness to reign in spending, but want more of our money for more boondoggles. As a good Dem, you should:

* Make charitable contributions, but don't itemize them on your taxes.
* Own a home, but don't take the mortgage interest deduction on either your primary mortgage or HELO.
* If you owe $5K, just round it up to $10K - the IRS certainly won't mind additional income.

What do those have to do with the topic?

No one likes to pay more than their fair share. But some of us are smart enough to understand that there are many, many that don't - and I am not talking about the 47% - but corporations, rich, etc.


Republicans always throw out "class warfare" bullshit when the topic is eliminating the loopholes that allow weatlhy Americans to leach off the Government and not pay in. But what Rmoney is doing IS class warfare.

Do you know how much revenue raising taxes on the "rich" will generate, and how/where that revenue will be applied? Will it be applied to the debt, or more spending? You seem to believe you have all of the answers, so I'm hoping to learn.

[death dealer]

But that's just it Kalm. It's not those guys that are going to feel that pain of the "rich" paying their fair share. Do you think they will miss a few hundred thousand or even a couple of million more come tax time? Probably in the end, not much. But while I may or may not have assets in excess of a million dollars, and my personal income may place me in the 1%, albeit in the lower segment, I feel that giving almost half of what I earn to the govt. is plenty. I shouldn't have to contribute any more while so many people aren't contributing shit. And as for CG's taxes, I'm not so sure we couldn't stand a slight increase in that rate, but I do agree that earnings from investment and risk should be taxed at a lower rate than regular salary.

just curious, dd. Your massive tax bill aside, what are your tax compliance costs? How much are you having to shell out to bookkeepers, accountants, CPA's, tax specialists, etc. just to keep your ass compliant and out of jail? That is the one cost that most people don't take into consideration when they preach from their soapbox.

Well, it depends upon whether you are talking about my personal taxes or include my businesses with that as well. I don't know the exact number, but it's pretty big.

[blueballs]

One other thing about taxation...

The tax code is based off income- not wealth.

The fact that the liberals call on the "rich," and "millionaires and billionaires," to pay more, not those who earn more income in a particular year, speaks very clearly to the heart of their intentions.

It IS about class warfare, not about increasing revenues in a meaningful way.

It is very possible to be rich and not earn income that is taxable, just like it is possible for somebody to have a good year earning income (which will be taxed that year at a progressively higher rate) and not be rich.

If it is truly about increasing revenues the way to do that is to lower the marginal tax rates and increase the number of people paying taxes and it has been proven time and again, but is isn't- and it never was- about that with the liberals.

[Wedgebuster]

Phuck, can't a fella say exactly how he feels when surrounded by his peers??

Was he incorrect or just politically incorrect? And actually, I'm really asking. Between the ride on Sunday, the pain I'm in from my crash, trying to sneak in a couple of hunts yesterday, and sixth grade science tests, I haven't seen what the hubbub is all about.

Just simply recorded speaking off the cuff, without a script, to a room full of really, really rich guys like him.

[Skjellyfetti]

http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/taxtopic ... eholds.cfm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Thanks to the child tax credit and Earned Income Tax Credit, a fair number of working families with young children pay no income tax; thanks to the exemption on Social Security, many older Americans pay no income tax. But in middle age, close to 80 percent of the population pays income taxes, and even more, of course, pay federal taxes of some kind.

So the notion that almost half of our citizens are grifters isn’t just vile; it’s also based on a complete misunderstanding of tax realities.

[AZGrizFan]

Thanks to the child tax credit and Earned Income Tax Credit, a fair number of working families with young children pay no income tax; thanks to the exemption on Social Security, many older Americans pay no income tax. But in middle age, close to 80 percent of the population pays income taxes, and even more, of course, pay federal taxes of some kind.

So the notion that almost half of our citizens are grifters isn’t just vile; it’s also based on a complete misunderstanding of tax realities.

Yet you just used that complete misunderstanding of tax realities to make an erroneous connection between "red" states and those who "don't pay taxes".

Nice work, spindoctor. Obama would be proud.

[Skjellyfetti]

Yet you just used that complete misunderstanding of tax realities to make an erroneous connection between "red" states and those who "don't pay taxes".

Nice work, spindoctor. Obama would be proud.

Um. No I didn't.

I just posted a chart and showed that Obama can't exactly use non-payers to coast to victory.

[Gil Dobie]

NBC Link

Romney may have been referencing the nearly half of all Americans (actually 46 percent as of 2011) who pay no federal income taxes.

The Tax Policy Center, a project of the Brookings Institution and the Urban Institute, released a detailed analysis of the group in July 2011, which NBC News.com covered in a very popular Life Inc. post.

[AZGrizFan]

Yet you just used that complete misunderstanding of tax realities to make an erroneous connection between "red" states and those who "don't pay taxes".

Nice work, spindoctor. Obama would be proud.

Um. No I didn't.

I just posted a chart and showed that Obama can't exactly use non-payers to coast to victory.

Yes, you did.

[ASUG8]

I've always said if you like paying taxes, pay more. I pay what I'm legally obligated to pay as dictated by IRS guidelines and not a penny more. The US government hasn't demonstrated any willingness to reign in spending, but want more of our money for more boondoggles. As a good Dem, you should:

* Make charitable contributions, but don't itemize them on your taxes.
* Own a home, but don't take the mortgage interest deduction on either your primary mortgage or HELO.
* If you owe $5K, just round it up to $10K - the IRS certainly won't mind additional income.

What do those have to do with the topic?

No one likes to pay more than their fair share. But some of us are smart enough to understand that there are many, many that don't - and I am not talking about the 47% - but corporations, rich, etc.


Republicans always throw out "class warfare" bullshit when the topic is eliminating the loopholes that allow weatlhy Americans to leach off the Government and not pay in. But what Rmoney is doing IS class warfare.

And you know what, neither you or I put these loopholes in place. If you aren't running afoul of the laws the IRS puts in place I don't see what the problem is. Audit Romney...apparently there's plenty of smoke, so why doesn't the IRS investigate? Why aren't these ardent dems congressmen who are so divisive about the middle class and so accusatory of the wealthy and rich (which by the way most of them are included in the latter group) calling for some heads? Why not go after John Kerry, who's probably wealthier than Romney? It's the hipocrisy that kills me - wealthy Dems going after wealthy Repubs under the guise of protecting the middle class? You guys can't have it both ways - you want people to pay their fair share, then let's make it apply to everyone, not just the ones you chastise as being "out of touch" with the American middle class.

The wealthy make the loopholes Jon, and they belong to both parties. Write some letters, call your congressmen, make a freakin' stink about it. Placing all this on Romney is a bunch of crap and you know it. That's what the hell my post has to do with it.

[Skjellyfetti]

NBC Link

Romney may have been referencing the nearly half of all Americans (actually 46 percent as of 2011) who pay no federal income taxes.

The Tax Policy Center, a project of the Brookings Institution and the Urban Institute, released a detailed analysis of the group in July 2011, which NBC News.com covered in a very popular Life Inc. post.

From the Tax Policy Center:

http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/taxtopic ... eholds.cfm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

So, who do y'all want to raise taxes on? The elderly or those making under $20,000?

[Skjellyfetti]

Yes, you did.

Care to show me the post where I did this?

[AZGrizFan]

NBC Link

From the Tax Policy Center:

http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/taxtopic ... eholds.cfm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

So, who do y'all want to raise income taxes on? The elderly or those making under $20,000?

Nah, let's just squeeze more out of those with a brainstem and a work ethic. THey won't mind.

[AZGrizFan]

Yes, you did.

Care to show me the post where I did this?

Refer to the very first post in the thread. You can figure it out. You got yerself an App State edumacation.

[Skjellyfetti]

Refer to the very first post in the thread. You can figure it out. You got yerself an App State edumacation.

Meh. That was showing that Obama CAN NOT rely on non-payers to be re-elected.

That's it.

Y'all will blame non-payers, welfare queens, dumb americans, etc. when Obama is re-elected. But, you'll be wrong and continue to lose elections.

[CitadelGrad]

Non-payers and welfare recipients are his base. There isn't much use in denying that. If you take them out of the equation, Obama gets trounced. The dregs of society give him the chance for re-election.

[Gil Dobie]

So, who do y'all want to raise taxes on? The elderly or those making under $20,000?

Don't raise taxes and make the government more efficient and responsible with the money. I've worked for companies that help the goverment process incentives for providers that jump thru their hoops. Multiply $40,000 times all the medical providers in this country to start with.

[Skjellyfetti]

Don't raise taxes and make the government more efficient and responsible with the money.

But you'll still have people who don't contribute in the form of income tax. This seems to be something that bothers you and other Conks a great deal. Are you ok with this?