Group Sex w/18 year-olds lands Teacher in Prison

[Grizo406]

Group sex is abnormal human sexual interaction and should be outlawed in all states. 5 years in lenient, imo.

Sounds like someone went to the wrong tailgate party in Lake Charles...

[Tod]

Group sex is abnormal human sexual interaction and should be outlawed in all states. 5 years in lenient, imo.

There really is no such thing as "abnormal" human sexual interaction. Everything that happens today has always happened.

Cultures and societies determine what's acceptable. If the people involved are competent adults, and there is no societal harm, a free society will not outlaw something like that.

[travelinman67]

Group sex is abnormal human sexual interaction and should be outlawed in all states. 5 years in lenient, imo.

There really is no such thing as "abnormal" human sexual interaction. Everything that happens today has always happened...

...excepting, of course, Cappie.

[SuperHornet]

The whole issue here is power. The fact that she was a teacher and they were students places her in a position of power, so there is at least the PERCEPTION that she coerced them. A school is essentially a government entity, so there is a requirement on the part of the government to protect the "powerless."

So in that regard, at least, this is jail-worthy. There is something to be said for a little patience. Had they waited until the night after graduation, all bets are off. I'm obviously not a fan of the adultery part of it, but at THAT point, the students would have left the jurisdiction of the school, and she would have been fine legally.

[Tod]

There really is no such thing as "abnormal" human sexual interaction. Everything that happens today has always happened...

...excepting, of course, Cappie.

Well, of course.

[Tod]

The whole issue here is power. The fact that she was a teacher and they were students places her in a position of power, so there is at least the PERCEPTION that she coerced them. A school is essentially a government entity, so there is a requirement on the part of the government to protect the "powerless."

So in that regard, at least, this is jail-worthy. There is something to be said for a little patience. Had they waited until the night after graduation, all bets are off. I'm obviously not a fan of the adultery part of it, but at THAT point, the students would have left the jurisdiction of the school, and she would have been fine legally.

Hmmm...good points.

Five years is too much, though.

[AZGrizFan]

The whole issue here is power. The fact that she was a teacher and they were students places her in a position of power, so there is at least the PERCEPTION that she coerced them. A school is essentially a government entity, so there is a requirement on the part of the government to protect the "powerless."

So in that regard, at least, this is jail-worthy. There is something to be said for a little patience. Had they waited until the night after graduation, all bets are off. I'm obviously not a fan of the adultery part of it, but at THAT point, the students would have left the jurisdiction of the school, and she would have been fine legally.

Hmmm...good points.

Five years is too much, though.

Five minutes is too much.

[JohnStOnge]

Five years. Five years for having group sex with 5 "of-age" people.

Seriously, WTF is wrong with this country that THIS is who we're prosecuting and spending our $$ on?

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I heard about this on the radio the other day and I agree with your sentiment. No way this should be happening.

[Tod]

I find it awfully strange to be in agreement with AZ and JSO. On anything!

[JohnStOnge]

The whole issue here is power. The fact that she was a teacher and they were students places her in a position of power, so there is at least the PERCEPTION that she coerced them. A school is essentially a government entity, so there is a requirement on the part of the government to protect the "powerless."

So in that regard, at least, this is jail-worthy.

No it's not. An ethics violation justifying terminating her as a teacher, yes. A criminal violation? No way. That's crazy.

Suppose some 40 year old person working in a State office responsible for dispensing welfare payments has sex with a 38 year old person who wants welfare that they were working with. Should that be a criminal violation?

This was not a "jail worthy" thing by any reasonable, rational standard.

[SuperHornet]

The whole issue here is power. The fact that she was a teacher and they were students places her in a position of power, so there is at least the PERCEPTION that she coerced them. A school is essentially a government entity, so there is a requirement on the part of the government to protect the "powerless."

So in that regard, at least, this is jail-worthy.

No it's not. An ethics violation justifying terminating her as a teacher, yes. A criminal violation? No way. That's crazy.

Suppose some 40 year old person working in a State office responsible for dispensing welfare payments has sex with a 38 year old person who wants welfare that they were working with. Should that be a criminal violation?

This was not a "jail worthy" thing by any reasonable, rational standard.

There would be at least the appearance of quid pro quo there. When in government service, one is expected to have higher standards than the rest of the population. I would have no problem with a State employee going to jail for this. Particularly since in your hypothetical example, the presence of taxpayer money would be involved. That would make the incident worse, IMO, than banging a couple of kids who are just about ready to walk anyway.

Assuming, of course, that there is room in the jail. That's not always a given. In THAT case, the teacher would be among the first out the door when it comes to early release...

[YoUDeeMan]

She should request to be sent to a men's prison.

She could satisfy her lust while performing a civic duty serving as healthy exercise outlet for the male prisoners.

Win-win for everyone involved.

[AZGrizFan]

She should request to be sent to a men's prison.

She could satisfy her lust while performing a civic duty serving as healthy exercise outlet for the male prisoners.

Win-win for everyone involved.

You are ALWAYS thinking, aren't you?

[SDHornet]

Illegal immigration is against the law too...doesn't mean we're prosecuting it.

The US deported 400,000 illegal immigrants last year.

All of which promptly returned the following day.

[JohnStOnge]

[/quote]There would be at least the appearance of quid pro quo there. [/quote]

Thus an ethics violation and termination. Not a criminal violation including designation as a sex criminal and all that carries.

Another thing I thought of in terms of power relationships within government is a supervisor in a government agency having an affair with a subordinate. That should not be a criminal violation.

[CAA Flagship]

There really is no such thing as "abnormal" human sexual interaction. Everything that happens today has always happened.

"Normal" as defined as "common" would dictate that there is such a thing as "abnormal", or "uncommon".

[kalm]

There really is no such thing as "abnormal" human sexual interaction. Everything that happens today has always happened.

"Normal" as defined as "common" would dictate that there is such a thing as "abnormal", or "uncommon".

Consensual sex between adults should never be criminalized...ever. As Wedgie pointed out, Texas is a state chuck full of dumbasses and totally wrong here.

[CAA Flagship]

"Normal" as defined as "common" would dictate that there is such a thing as "abnormal", or "uncommon".

Consensual sex between adults should never be criminalized...ever. As Wedgie pointed out, Texas is a state chuck full of dumbasses and totally wrong here.

I don't disagree. I'm just saying that there is, at least in my mind, "abnormal" human sexual interaction. And that would be those things that are not "common".

The use of jumper cables, for example, come to mind.

[kalm]

Consensual sex between adults should never be criminalized...ever. As Wedgie pointed out, Texas is a state chuck full of dumbasses and totally wrong here.

I don't disagree. I'm just saying that there is, at least in my mind, "abnormal" human sexual interaction. And that would be those things that are not "common".

The use of jumper cables, for example, come to mind.

Freak...

[bluehenbillk]

I can't blame the jury, by the letter of the law, although it's a stupid law IMO, she was guilty. Sentencing guidelines called for a much worse punishment but they basically gave her the absolute minimum they could.

I don't know the whole story here, but I'm assuming somebody's parents or a school board member probably got their panties in a wad over this & wanted charges pressed.

In reality, I'm pretty sure there were no "victims" in this case.

I just wish I had half-decent looking teachers that put out back when I was in school....

[89Hen]

Judges and jurors do not write law. What I said was 100% accurate. I said earlier in the thread, maybe the law needs to be changed. That's for legislators.

And my point is: we have ICE, DEA and local authorities openly ignoring immigration laws and failing to detain and deport illegals unless they've broken some "other" law, so what makes THIS any different?

That's one way to look at it... turn a deaf ear. Of course we could do that for lots of illegal things.

[AZGrizFan]

And my point is: we have ICE, DEA and local authorities openly ignoring immigration laws and failing to detain and deport illegals unless they've broken some "other" law, so what makes THIS any different?

That's one way to look at it... turn a deaf ear. Of course we could do that for lots of illegal things.

And we do. That's my point. Selective enforcement of the law. It's BS. She goes to jail for 5 years for something that hurt no one, while REAL criminals walk free on a daily basis because prosecuting them would be "too much work".

[89Hen]

That's one way to look at it... turn a deaf ear. Of course we could do that for lots of illegal things.

And we do. That's my point. Selective enforcement of the law. It's BS. She goes to jail for 5 years for something that hurt no one, while REAL criminals walk free on a daily basis because prosecuting them would be "too much work".

Your outrage is misplaced then. It should be directed at the ones who got away.

[AZGrizFan]

And we do. That's my point. Selective enforcement of the law. It's BS. She goes to jail for 5 years for something that hurt no one, while REAL criminals walk free on a daily basis because prosecuting them would be "too much work".

Your outrage is misplaced then. It should be directed at the ones who got away.

Nope. It's directed at the system that picks off the low-hanging fruit, even though it's the least meaningful, least harmful "crime". Sure glad we got that sexual predator off the streets though. Now all of Texas can walk the streets safe at night.

[89Hen]

Your outrage is misplaced then. It should be directed at the ones who got away.

Nope. It's directed at the system that picks off the low-hanging fruit, even though it's the least meaningful, least harmful "crime". Sure glad we got that sexual predator off the streets though. Now all of Texas can walk the streets safe at night.

That's your opinion, which you are certainly entitled to.