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Ibanez wrote:I know historical texts, let alone any that pertain to religion and a remote location, would be difficult to locate. However, he came in contact with historical people like Herod and Pilate. We know much about these men outside of the Bible. We know about ordinary men that Pheidippides and his one day of fame, 400 years before Christ. If someone was as influential as Jesus was, and was active for 3 years, wouldn't there be more written on him?

That's the last I'll say on it.
I've never heard of Pilate outside of the bible, and the bible is the best selling book of all time. 8-)
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Well, the bible is the oldest book of all time, and since nobody charges money for them, no surprise it is the most given away book of all time, not so sure about being the best selling book of all time.

Still doesn't mean it was handed to humans by a god, or space alien either.

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rkwittem wrote:
Ibanez wrote:
Your qoutes do not prove anything. THey just agree that Jesus existed. The fact is, that there is not historical record of Jesus existing, aside from the Bible (which shouldn't be taken at face value). If we believe that Jesus exisited, soley from the Bible, then Miss Havisham, Tom Sawyer and Ebenezer Scrooge were real people. :roll: There is nothing from a Contemporary of Jesus, outside of the Bible.

If there was a person that was born of a virgin, rose the dead, cured the lame and blind, fed people with a few fish, turned water to wine, was killed which coincided with earthquakes and ominous dark clouds and then was risen, walked as a zombie for 40 days before going to heaven..if that person actually existed, then why is there only ONE record of it (The Bible?) There is nothing from Herod or his court about this man. There is nothing from Pontious Pilate.
My quotes prove exactly what I wanted them to, that Jesus Christ was a real man who actually existed. None of these are based on the bible either. They are based, for the most part, on historical data of the time. Only an idiot would take the bible as a historical document. The bible is no more a textbook than I am a bird. Do you really think poor, uneducated Jews or Roman magistrates and their lackeys (aka Herod) kept detailed records about religious leaders who were preaching outside their jurisdiction? If so, you are as naive as you are narrowminded.

HOWEVER...Sir Isaac Newton did attempt to calculate the date of the Crucifixion based on the timing of the Jewish passover and the Jewish calendar...and he got April 23, 34 AD. Since this times up well with the Passover (the biblical account of when the crucifixion happens) and other attempts based on the lunar eclipse ("blood moon") arrive at the year 33 AD, I'm tempted to believe they are not coincidences. Whether or not you choose to accept these scientific models is your choice. I just thought I'd raise the issue since you claimed no one made record of skies darkening.

The bible, more or less, is a combination of some history, some mythology, some theology, and some philosophy. To take it as science or hard factual proof for the existence of god is absolutely brainless, just like the ever too popular comeback "if there was no eyewitness, then it did not happen."

I tire of trying to impress on you the possibilities that the bible might not be a historical document and things actually happen without the presence of eyewitness records. Stick your head in the sand all you want. I'm taking Josephus' word over yours, sorry.
You should be tired. It's a pain in the ass trying to prove nonsense is fact.

*Jesus was the savior of the world and god incarnate AND no one at the time felt compelled to record a single word about him. Who's head is in the sand?
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Ibanez wrote:Your evidence is a bunch of authors saying, "yes, he was real". In fact, there is no contemporary, historical record of such a man. We know so much about so many insignficant people, it would be reasonable to assume that Jesus would have more records other than a religious text and the words of his followers. His detractors make no mention of him during or after his life. My head is not in the sand. I opened my eyes to the hoax that is religion years ago.
FWIW, even DB1 and Cap'n acknowledge Jesus, the man, as a historical figure.

Hell yes. Actually there are thousands of em. MOF, we'll see Jesus on Clark Street in Chicago this weekend. We'll even toss a few bucks in his cup. :thumb:
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Got at least 50 of 'em in a town of 6,000.

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Bison Fan in NW MN wrote:
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2K years ago the landscape was over run with those claiming to be the messiah. This guys claim got legs because it was picked up third hand and written down. Basically this is a recycled Egyptian sun god myth. Our next generation of telescopes should be powerful enough to pick him out on his way to heaven. We know that since he ascended bodily that he is constrained by the speed of light and therefore somewhere within 2000 light years of earth - he hasn't even left the galaxy yet.

Really?

Who else?

Islam wasn't around yet.
Buddhism and Hinduism were not in the region.

Interesting belief you have about this.
More interesting that you think Jesus was the only one out there trying to start a new religion at the time. Interesting that you believe in this person about whom there is zero first hand information. Nobody knows what Jesus thought, they only know what Paul said "Jesus" thought.
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Ibanez wrote:
89Hen wrote: FWIW, even DB1 and Cap'n acknowledge Jesus, the man, as a historical figure.
Where is the historical record, from the time that he was alive, that proves such a man existed? Being so far disconnected, it is rather pointless to debate the topic.

In AD 64, Nero blamed the fire in Rome on Christians and their inspiration Christus (Latin for Christ).

Pliny the Younger, Roman govenor of Bithynia, wrote to Trajan about Christians and their practices.

There are other accounts but not during his actual lifetime......ie: Lucian of Samosata, Babylonian Talmud and Josephus.

Ibanez: I do agree that there are limited historical facts or first-hand accounts of Jesus to prove he actually existed.
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houndawg wrote:
Bison Fan in NW MN wrote:

Really?

Who else?

Islam wasn't around yet.
Buddhism and Hinduism were not in the region.

Interesting belief you have about this.
More interesting that you think Jesus was the only one out there trying to start a new religion at the time. Interesting that you believe in this person about whom there is zero first hand information. Nobody knows what Jesus thought, they only know what Paul said "Jesus" thought.

I never said that in my post.

Yes, I agree, that there is little 1st hand evidence of his existence outside the Bible and references of him in later decades.
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Bison Fan in NW MN wrote:
Ibanez wrote: Where is the historical record, from the time that he was alive, that proves such a man existed? Being so far disconnected, it is rather pointless to debate the topic.

In AD 64, Nero blamed the fire in Rome on Christians and their inspiration Christus (Latin for Christ).

Pliny the Younger, Roman govenor of Bithynia, wrote to Trajan about Christians and their practices.

There are other accounts but not during his actual lifetime......ie: Lucian of Samosata, Babylonian Talmud and Josephus.

Ibanez: I do agree that there are limited historical facts or first-hand accounts of Jesus to prove he actually existed.
This is the only part of your life where you're willing to give so much of yourself and family to something so dubious. You would never make even the simplest of decisions using similar "evidence".
You can live a moral and happy life without Jesus and the lies.
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D1B wrote:
Bison Fan in NW MN wrote:

In AD 64, Nero blamed the fire in Rome on Christians and their inspiration Christus (Latin for Christ).

Pliny the Younger, Roman govenor of Bithynia, wrote to Trajan about Christians and their practices.

There are other accounts but not during his actual lifetime......ie: Lucian of Samosata, Babylonian Talmud and Josephus.

Ibanez: I do agree that there are limited historical facts or first-hand accounts of Jesus to prove he actually existed.
This is the only part of your life where you're willing to give so much of yourself and family to something so dubious. You would never base even the simplest of decisions using similar "evidence".

You can live a moral and happy life without Jesus and the lies.
:lol:

I have to hand it to you D1B. You got the whole trolling aspect down pat. I know you are not so stupid as to believe what you are spewing. Religion is on the rise and Atheism is on the decline. Not to mention the fact the current trend of Atheists and their religion is WEAK. At least when I talk ID, I've got some research and validation - you got nothin'. Talk about polishing a turd. :notworthy:
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SeattleGriz wrote:
D1B wrote:
This is the only part of your life where you're willing to give so much of yourself and family to something so dubious. You would never base even the simplest of decisions using similar "evidence".

You can live a moral and happy life without Jesus and the lies.
:lol:

I have to hand it to you D1B. You got the whole trolling aspect down pat. I know you are not so stupid as to believe what you are spewing. Religion is on the rise and Atheism is on the decline. Not to mention the fact the current trend of Atheists and their religion is WEAK. At least when I talk ID, I've got some research and validation - you got nothin'. Talk about polishing a turd. :notworthy:

I don't agree with him, but I think he makes compelling arguments. He does make you wonder if Jesus was just an earlier version of Captain Tuttle. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuttle_(M*A*S*H)
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SeattleGriz wrote:
D1B wrote:
This is the only part of your life where you're willing to give so much of yourself and family to something so dubious. You would never base even the simplest of decisions using similar "evidence".

You can live a moral and happy life without Jesus and the lies.
:lol:

I have to hand it to you D1B. You got the whole trolling aspect down pat. I know you are not so stupid as to believe what you are spewing. Religion is on the rise and Atheism is on the decline. Not to mention the fact the current trend of Atheists and their religion is WEAK. At least when I talk ID, I've got some research and validation - you got nothin'. Talk about polishing a turd. :notworthy:
Wrong again Creationfuck troll.
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D1B wrote:
SeattleGriz wrote:
:lol:

I have to hand it to you D1B. You got the whole trolling aspect down pat. I know you are not so stupid as to believe what you are spewing. Religion is on the rise and Atheism is on the decline. Not to mention the fact the current trend of Atheists and their religion is WEAK. At least when I talk ID, I've got some research and validation - you got nothin'. Talk about polishing a turd. :notworthy:
Wrong again Creationfuck troll.
That is Mr IDfuck troll to you pal.

I'll play along and humor you. :kisswink:
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SeattleGriz wrote:
D1B wrote:
Wrong again Creationfuck troll.
That is Mr IDfuck troll to you pal.

I'll play along and humor you. :kisswink:
You're the second best troll here. :nod: :thumb:

You ever read Julian Huxley?
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D1B wrote:
SeattleGriz wrote:
That is Mr IDfuck troll to you pal.

I'll play along and humor you. :kisswink:
You're the second best troll here. :nod: :thumb:

You ever read Julian Huxley?
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Bison Fan in NW MN wrote:
Ibanez wrote: Where is the historical record, from the time that he was alive, that proves such a man existed? Being so far disconnected, it is rather pointless to debate the topic.

In AD 64, Nero blamed the fire in Rome on Christians and their inspiration Christus (Latin for Christ).

Pliny the Younger, Roman govenor of Bithynia, wrote to Trajan about Christians and their practices.

There are other accounts but not during his actual lifetime......ie: Lucian of Samosata, Babylonian Talmud and Josephus.

Ibanez: I do agree that there are limited historical facts or first-hand accounts of Jesus to prove he actually existed.
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Chizzang wrote:
Bison Fan in NW MN wrote:

In AD 64, Nero blamed the fire in Rome on Christians and their inspiration Christus (Latin for Christ).

Pliny the Younger, Roman govenor of Bithynia, wrote to Trajan about Christians and their practices.

There are other accounts but not during his actual lifetime......ie: Lucian of Samosata, Babylonian Talmud and Josephus.

Ibanez: I do agree that there are limited historical facts or first-hand accounts of Jesus to prove he actually existed.
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I don't disagree or have anything negative to say with your post. I agree with it.

As I have mentioned earlier, Christianity has a strong influence in my life and it continues to be a lifelong journey for me. Many on here are non-religious and that is fine with me. I do not wear my religion on my sleave and try to proselytize non-believers. If someone asks me about my faith, I will share it with them. But it is interesting to be called a loser or dumb*ss or f-ing dumb*ss or being a 'lesser' person because of my beliefs on here. I'm a believer in Christ others are not. But we are all fans of FCS FB...right?
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Bison Fan in NW MN wrote:
Chizzang wrote:
Famous quotes:
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Live a good life. If there are gods and they are just, then they will not care how devout you have been, but will welcome you based on the virtues you have lived by. If there are gods, but unjust, then you should not want to worship them. If there are no gods, then you will be gone, but will have lived a noble life that will live on in the memories of your loved ones.

I don't disagree or have anything negative to say with your post. I agree with it.

As I have mentioned earlier, Christianity has a strong influence in my life and it continues to be a lifelong journey for me. Many on here are non-religious and that is fine with me. I do not wear my religion on my sleave and try to proselytize non-believers. If someone asks me about my faith, I will share it with them. But it is interesting to be called a loser or dumb*ss or f-ing dumb*ss or being a 'lesser' person because of my beliefs on here. I'm a believer in Christ others are not. But we are all fans of FCS FB...right?
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Bison Fan in NW MN wrote:
Chizzang wrote:
Famous quotes:
Marcus Aurelius or Jesus = You decide

Live a good life. If there are gods and they are just, then they will not care how devout you have been, but will welcome you based on the virtues you have lived by. If there are gods, but unjust, then you should not want to worship them. If there are no gods, then you will be gone, but will have lived a noble life that will live on in the memories of your loved ones.

I don't disagree or have anything negative to say with your post. I agree with it.

As I have mentioned earlier, Christianity has a strong influence in my life and it continues to be a lifelong journey for me. Many on here are non-religious and that is fine with me. I do not wear my religion on my sleave and try to proselytize non-believers. If someone asks me about my faith, I will share it with them. But it is interesting to be called a loser or dumb*ss or f-ing dumb*ss or being a 'lesser' person because of my beliefs on here. I'm a believer in Christ others are not. But we are all fans of FCS FB...right?
You're a victim of child abuse. You continued the cycle of abuse with your children-infecting them with the silly and immoral superstitions of your domineering father and scared shitless mother.

If people like you would let your children make their own decisions regarding myths. Say nothing until they've reached an appropriate age, then tell them about your god and worse, your religion's dogma and the ridiculous stories, then watch them LAUGH IN YOUR FUCKING FACE.
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D1B wrote:
Bison Fan in NW MN wrote:

I don't disagree or have anything negative to say with your post. I agree with it.

As I have mentioned earlier, Christianity has a strong influence in my life and it continues to be a lifelong journey for me. Many on here are non-religious and that is fine with me. I do not wear my religion on my sleave and try to proselytize non-believers. If someone asks me about my faith, I will share it with them. But it is interesting to be called a loser or dumb*ss or f-ing dumb*ss or being a 'lesser' person because of my beliefs on here. I'm a believer in Christ others are not. But we are all fans of FCS FB...right?
You're a victim of child abuse. You continued the cycle of abuse with your children-infecting them with the silly and immoral superstitions of your domineering father and scared shitless mother.

If people like you would let your children make their own decisions regarding myths. Say nothing until they've reached an appropriate age, then tell them about your god and worse, your religion's dogma and the ridiculous stories, then watch them LAUGH IN YOUR **** FACE.
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Bison Fan in NW MN wrote:

I don't disagree or have anything negative to say with your post. I agree with it.

As I have mentioned earlier, Christianity has a strong influence in my life and it continues to be a lifelong journey for me. Many on here are non-religious and that is fine with me. I do not wear my religion on my sleave and try to proselytize non-believers. If someone asks me about my faith, I will share it with them. But it is interesting to be called a loser or dumb*ss or f-ing dumb*ss or being a 'lesser' person because of my beliefs on here. I'm a believer in Christ others are not. But we are all fans of FCS FB...right?
You're a victim of child abuse. You continued the cycle of abuse with your children-infecting them with the silly and immoral superstitions of your domineering father and scared shitless mother.

If people like you would let your children make their own decisions regarding myths. Say nothing until they've reached an appropriate age, then tell them about your god and worse, your religion's dogma and the ridiculous stories, then watch them LAUGH IN YOUR **** FACE.
You are one messed up sonab!+@#
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MSUDuo wrote:
D1B wrote:
You're a victim of child abuse. You continued the cycle of abuse with your children-infecting them with the silly and immoral superstitions of your domineering father and scared shitless mother.

If people like you would let your children make their own decisions regarding myths. Say nothing until they've reached an appropriate age, then tell them about your god and worse, your religion's dogma and the ridiculous stories, then watch them LAUGH IN YOUR **** FACE.
You are one messed up sonab!+@#
Transnational Humanism
Religion and Child Abuse
Innaiah Narisetti
Innaiah Narisetti is the chair of the Center for Inquiry/India. This article is excerpted from a paper that he will present at the Center for Inquiry’s congress in China this coming October.

Over the years, the abuse of children has received substantial attention worldwide. The United Nations, through its member organizations such as UNESCO (the United Nations Educational, Scientific, and Cultural Organization), has focused on this issue, recognizing the worst forms of such abuse. These include child labor, in which an estimated 250 million children are engaged in some form due to the practice of slavery, bondage linked to family debts, or serfdom; as well as the forced recruitment and involvement of children in armed conflicts, child pornography and prostitution, and the production and trafficking of illicit drugs.
The International Labor Organization, theS United Nations Children’s Fund, and UNESCO hold regular discussions at various levels and organize international conventions. The UN has adopted a world declaration for the protection of children, the Convention on the Rights of the Child.
THE CONVENTION ON THE RIGHTS OF THE CHILD
The human rights of children and the standards to which all governments must aspire in realizing these rights for all children are most concisely and fully articulated in one international human-rights treaty: the Convention on the Rights of the Child. The Convention is the most universally accepted human-rights instrument in history. It has been ratified by every country in the world except two: the United States and Somalia. It places children at center stage in the quest for the universal application of human rights. By ratifying this instrument, national governments have committed themselves to protecting and ensuring children’s rights and have agreed to hold themselves accountable for this commitment before the international community.
While it is unfortunate that a powerful country such as the United States has yet to ratify the Convention on the Rights of the Child, the UN’s efforts are salutary and place much-needed emphasis on improving the lives of children globally.
THE INFLUENCE OF RELIGION
However, despite all the effort and rhetoric about protecting children and their rights, there is a severe shortcoming in the global campaign to protect children: the influence of religion and its continuing contribution to many forms of child abuse all around the world.
Such abuse begins with the involuntary involvement of children in religious practices from the time they are born. All religions, through ritual, preaching, and religious texts, seek to bring children into day-to-day religious practice. This gives holy books and scriptures, as well as those who teach them, an early grip on the developing minds of young people, leaving an indelible impression on them. In many cases, most notably in the Catholic Church, this forced and prolonged exposure of children to religious institutions has also been a key factor in the physical, mental, and sexual abuse of children by religious leaders.
This early grip is so strong that very few people, once grown, ever get an opportunity to change their minds, despite being exposed to science and rational thinking, or even other religious systems. Religious beliefs thrive by imposing themselves upon impressionable minds and gaining their blind adherence to certain dogmatic practices. In some ways, this lays the groundwork for sustained psychological abuse of young children by allowing adults the use of religion as a pretext for various other forms of abuse such as forcing them to fight in wars in the name of religion and ethnicity. During 2004, about 300,000 children served as soldiers in national armies, worldwide.
When it comes to the forced inculcation of religion and the resulting abuses of children in the name of religion, the UN, all of its affiliated organizations, and almost all national governments remain steadfastly silent.
THE UN’S RELUCTANCE
In one form or another, all religions violate the rights of children. Yet a body like the UN, which allows the Vatican to be represented among its member countries, is unaware of—or more likely—unable and unwilling to stand up to the Vatican regarding the religious abuse of children. There is significant pressure from the Vatican to pull back on or dilute any resolutions that point to religion as a cause of abuse or strife. Add to this the unwillingness of the UN to confront its member countries, especially those in the Muslim world, which can also exert a lot of pressure when it comes to issues related to the abuse of children by their religious schools (madrassas) where, for example, very young children are forced to memorize six thousand verses of the Qur’an, a process that involves both mental and physical abuse.
As a result, the UN and its affiliated agencies tend to focus on addressing just the symptoms rather than the root causes of some of the most insidious forms of child abuse. For example, while everyone speaks out against genital mutilation, UNICEF is unwilling to acknowledge and condemn it as a religious practice. Instead, it talks about educating communities and spends millions of dollars on medical kits to treat those children who have already been mutilated. By not forcefully pointing the finger at the real culprits—religious practices—the UN is not only missing a good opportunity to fix the problem at its source but also putting too small a bandage on a very deep wound.
GENDER DISCRIMINATION
Another area in which religions contribute to child abuse is through explicit and implicit gender discrimination that leads to unequal rights and opportunities between boys and girls and contributes to further abuses. While economic factors are also to blame, the roots of this inequity lie in religious and social mores. How can the UN hope to tackle the problem of child labor or a lack of educational opportunity among the children in 130 developing countries who are not in primary school, the majority of them being girls? In the Islamic world, some female students are allowed to attend certain madrassas. However, they are forced to learn in classrooms, or even buildings, separate from their male peers.
There is a global unwillingness to acknowledge that all religions use their educational institutions and programs, be they Sunday schools, madrassas, or Jewish or Hindu temples to indoctrinate children. Sometimes, this is in the guise of conveying good moral values, but, while it may be much more rigid and overt in, say, a madrassa, it is no less influential on young minds in a Christian Sunday school.
Ultimately, all such programs try to instill a belief in the superiority of one religion and inculcate an unquestioning faith in that system.
THE DEBATE MUST BEGIN!
Just as we all stand up against child marriage, because marriage is an institution meant for adults, and just as we do not let children participate in certain civic duties, such as voting, until they reach a certain age, the time has come to debate the participation of children in religious institutions. While some might see it as a matter better left to parents, the negative influence of religion and its subsequent contribution to child abuse from religious beliefs and practices requires us to ask whether organized religion is an institution that needs limits set on how early it should have access to children.
There is no doubt that this will be a controversial position. However, there is nothing to prevent the UN from organizing a world convention on the issue of the religious abuse of children, a forum where the pros and cons of childhood exposure to religion and its influence on children can be openly debated. The world body cannot remain silent on this vital issue just because it is a sensitive and difficult subject, even given its member nations and their religious interests. A convention like this would also be an opportunity for those who might want to argue for the benefits of the influence of religion on children, so the UN should not shy away from debate of the issue.
If such a convention clearly shows that religion contributes to child abuse globally, the UN must then take a clear stand on the issue of the forced involvement of children in religious practices; it must speak up for the rights of children and not the automatic right of parents and societies to pass on religious beliefs, and it must reexamine whether an organization like the Vatican should belong to the UN.
Until this happens, millions of children worldwide will continue to be abused in the name of religion, and the efforts made by the UN will continue to address the symptoms but not the disease.
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MSUDuo wrote:
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You're a victim of child abuse. You continued the cycle of abuse with your children-infecting them with the silly and immoral superstitions of your domineering father and scared shitless mother.

If people like you would let your children make their own decisions regarding myths. Say nothing until they've reached an appropriate age, then tell them about your god and worse, your religion's dogma and the ridiculous stories, then watch them LAUGH IN YOUR **** FACE.


You are one messed up sonab!+@#
Fuck you.
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Bison Fan in NW MN wrote:
D1B wrote:
You're a victim of child abuse. You continued the cycle of abuse with your children-infecting them with the silly and immoral superstitions of your domineering father and scared shitless mother.

If people like you would let your children make their own decisions regarding myths. Say nothing until they've reached an appropriate age, then tell them about your god and worse, your religion's dogma and the ridiculous stories, then watch them LAUGH IN YOUR **** FACE.
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To each his/her own....
I do think he is right that if kids weren't taught religion at such a young age they would probably reject it when they were old enough to think about it rationally. Obviously not all of them, but a lot. . .
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Vidav wrote:
I do think he is right that if kids weren't taught religion at such a young age they would probably reject it when they were old enough to think about it rationally. Obviously not all of them, but a lot. . .
You see that's a problem...
Because then each person could (and likely would) move away from organized ideology and dogma
and move towards individual relationships with whatever their innermost being connects with
The God that each person experiences individually - with no preconceived or programmed script

This of course would be the beginning of global Enlightenment
and there is no greater threat to Church and State than this

Because people would no longer buy into Nationalism / Patriotism / neither politically or Religiously
And they tend to be Identical (psychologically)
freedom from them requires only that you see beyond their lies and control

Again - No greater threat to Church and State than individual Enlightenment
Q: Name something that offends Republicans?
A: The actual teachings of Jesus
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