Liberal Logic 101

JohnStOnge · Post by **JohnStOnge** » Fri Jul 27, 2012 3:43 am

There's also the paradox of preaching tolerance even while they are expressing intolerance. Here is an example from the article at http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/2 ... d%3D184660" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;:

At a downtown Atlanta Chick-fil-A on Thursday, customers were divided over the company's stance.

"If you're a Christian, you believe in the Bible. The Bible says homosexuality is wrong. (Cathy's) absolutely right," Marci Troutman said over her breakfast.

Her business partner, Steve Timpson, said he chose not to eat at Chick-fil-A: "You've got to be more tolerant if you're going to operate in the wider market in this country."

Nearby, Dustin Keller offered another view of Cathy: "It's his opinion. He's entitled to it. I'm just here to eat."

Underline added for emphasis.

So here is this guy saying "you've got to be more tolerant" while he is being intolerant with respect to the sincere religious belief of someone else. He is trying to pressure someone to deny what they honestly believe with respect to spirituality so that their actions are consistent with his own world view.

And you see this ALL the time from those who embrace "progressive" or "liberal" causes. They believe in tolerance so long as it doesn't mean tolerating violation of certain core "progressive" or "liberal" principles. Once that happens they are as intolerant as intolerant can be.

CID1990 · Post by **CID1990** » Fri Jul 27, 2012 4:14 am

JohnStOnge wrote:There's also the paradox of preaching tolerance even while they are expressing intolerance. Here is an example from the article at http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/2 ... d%3D184660" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;:

At a downtown Atlanta Chick-fil-A on Thursday, customers were divided over the company's stance.

"If you're a Christian, you believe in the Bible. The Bible says homosexuality is wrong. (Cathy's) absolutely right," Marci Troutman said over her breakfast.

Her business partner, Steve Timpson, said he chose not to eat at Chick-fil-A: "You've got to be more tolerant if you're going to operate in the wider market in this country."

Nearby, Dustin Keller offered another view of Cathy: "It's his opinion. He's entitled to it. I'm just here to eat."
Underline added for emphasis.

So here is this guy saying "you've got to be more tolerant" while he is being intolerant with respect to the sincere religious belief of someone else. He is trying to pressure someone to deny what they honestly believe with respect to spirituality so that their actions are consistent with his own world view.

And you see this ALL the time from those who embrace "progressive" or "liberal" causes. They believe in tolerance so long as it doesn't mean tolerating violation of certain core "progressive" or "liberal" principles. Once that happens they are as intolerant as intolerant can be.

Well then stop being a sheep and stop decrying intolerance.

I am intolerant of a lot of things in that I don't like them and as a result I choose not to associate/consume. Nothing wrong with that, but more liberal thinkers will tell you otherwise.

Post by **Ivytalk** » Fri Jul 27, 2012 4:21 am

Compared to Flo, the Geico gekko is dead sexy.

Post by **kalm** » Fri Jul 27, 2012 4:33 am

JohnStOnge wrote:There's also the paradox of preaching tolerance even while they are expressing intolerance. Here is an example from the article at http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/2 ... d%3D184660" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;:

At a downtown Atlanta Chick-fil-A on Thursday, customers were divided over the company's stance.

"If you're a Christian, you believe in the Bible. The Bible says homosexuality is wrong. (Cathy's) absolutely right," Marci Troutman said over her breakfast.

Her business partner, Steve Timpson, said he chose not to eat at Chick-fil-A: "You've got to be more tolerant if you're going to operate in the wider market in this country."

Nearby, Dustin Keller offered another view of Cathy: "It's his opinion. He's entitled to it. I'm just here to eat."
Underline added for emphasis.

So here is this guy saying "you've got to be more tolerant" while he is being intolerant with respect to the sincere religious belief of someone else. He is trying to pressure someone to deny what they honestly believe with respect to spirituality so that their actions are consistent with his own world view.

And you see this ALL the time from those who embrace "progressive" or "liberal" causes. They believe in tolerance so long as it doesn't mean tolerating violation of certain core "progressive" or "liberal" principles. Once that happens they are as intolerant as intolerant can be.

Yeah, they don't hate gays...they're being "spiritual"!

Chizzang · Post by **Chizzang** » Fri Jul 27, 2012 8:05 am

So please tell me only ding-bats like SuperHornet see the Irony of one party and NOT the other..?
I mean it's fun to point out the short sighted pitfalls of "the other guy"
Somebody start a thread where in order - each side gets to make a point about the other sides hypocrisy

Example:
Strom Thurmond / Jesse Jackson...
Two guys that argued different sides of the same argument - that were both completely full of sh!t

Next...

CID1990 · Post by **CID1990** » Fri Jul 27, 2012 8:29 am

Chizzang wrote:So please tell me only ding-bats like SuperHornet see the Irony of one party and NOT the other..?
I mean it's fun to point out the short sighted pitfalls of "the other guy"
Somebody start a thread where in order - each side gets to make a point about the other sides hypocrisy

Example:
Strom Thurmond / Jesse Jackson...
Two guys that argued different sides of the same argument - that were both completely full of sh!t

Next...

One of them evolved.

Post by **Ibanez** » Fri Jul 27, 2012 9:02 am

Chizzang wrote:So please tell me only ding-bats like SuperHornet see the Irony of one party and NOT the other..?
I mean it's fun to point out the short sighted pitfalls of "the other guy"
Somebody start a thread where in order - each side gets to make a point about the other sides hypocrisy

Example:
Strom Thurmond / Jesse Jackson...
Two guys that argued different sides of the same argument - that were both completely full of sh!t

Next...

There's a difference. Jesse Jackson fucked over black people. Strom just fucked them.

Post by **Ibanez** » Fri Jul 27, 2012 9:02 am

SuperHornet wrote:

That isn't liberal, that's hypocritical. There is a difference.

bluehenbillk · Post by **bluehenbillk** » Fri Jul 27, 2012 10:36 am

No one's gonna tell me I can't eat at Chik-Fil-A dammit!

Skjellyfetti · Post by **Skjellyfetti** » Fri Jul 27, 2012 11:19 am

Mmmmm. Mechanically separated chicken.

death dealer · Post by **death dealer** » Fri Jul 27, 2012 6:15 pm

Skjellyfetti wrote:Mmmmm. Mechanically separated chicken.

That certainly is some more nasty shit. However, I believe chic fil a uses whole boneless breasts. Regardless, I dont eat fast food chicken or fast food anything for that matter. But I would never base my dining options on the political views of the cook or owner of a restaurant. I'm more interested in the taste and quality of the food. But it is a free country, so whatever. I doubt this boycott has much impact. I wouldn't be surprised if their sales increase. I know a lot of evangelical types. They love pissing off homos, and they love to eat. Won't be holding my breath waiting for the chic fil a guy to apologize.

could be wrong, but I doubt it.

JohnStOnge · Post by **JohnStOnge** » Fri Jul 27, 2012 7:27 pm

Yeah, they don't hate gays...they're being "spiritual"!

They actually do NOT hate homosexuals. But they consider homosexual behavior to be sinful.

That's one thing you guys need to understand. It's not hate. The Evangelical Christian perspective is that everyone is a sinner and that only the grace of God saves people. The theology is not one of hating people because of sin.

They honestly, sincerely believe that God ordained marriage as being a union of one man and one woman (even though yes I know one could use the Bible to question the "one" part). It's not hate.

JohnStOnge · Post by **JohnStOnge** » Fri Jul 27, 2012 7:32 pm

Won't be holding my breath waiting for the chic fil a guy to apologize. could be wrong, but I doubt it.

Just the fact that he doesn't let his restaurants do business on Sundays should tell people something about that. Obviously, he's giving up a lot of potential profit by doing that. He's obviously a person that to at least some extent puts his faith above maximizing profit.

Plus the Evangelicals are going to go out of their way to eat a Chik Fil A now. I probably will too. I'll definitely try to buy a Chik Fil A Sandwich on whatever day it is that Huckabee said to buy one on.

JohnStOnge · Post by **JohnStOnge** » Fri Jul 27, 2012 7:35 pm

I dont eat fast food chicken or fast food anything for that matter. But I would never base my dining options on the political views of the cook or owner of a restaurant. I'm more interested in the taste and quality of the food.

To me the taste and quality of fast food is often better than the taste and quality of high end restaurants. To me one of the biggest scams is when a restaurant gets into the realm of being considered "high end" so they can charge you $100 for something that should cost $10. Or maybe less than that.

I'd be very willing to bet that a Chik Fil A chicken sandwich is better than what one could pay big bucks for at a large number of "high end" restaurants.

Post by **BlueHen86** » Fri Jul 27, 2012 7:41 pm

JohnStOnge wrote:
Yeah, they don't hate gays...they're being "spiritual"!
They actually do NOT hate homosexuals. But they consider homosexual behavior to be sinful.

That's one thing you guys need to understand. It's not hate. The Evangelical Christian perspective is that everyone is a sinner and that only the grace of God saves people. The theology is not one of hating people because of sin.

They honestly, sincerely believe that God ordained marriage as being a union of one man and one woman (even though yes I know one could use the Bible to question the "one" part). It's not hate.

They hate homosexuals. The perspective you are talking about is just a bunch of BS they use so that they sound legitimate.

death dealer · Post by **death dealer** » Fri Jul 27, 2012 7:43 pm

BlueHen86 wrote:
JohnStOnge wrote:
They actually do NOT hate homosexuals. But they consider homosexual behavior to be sinful.

That's one thing you guys need to understand. It's not hate. The Evangelical Christian perspective is that everyone is a sinner and that only the grace of God saves people. The theology is not one of hating people because of sin.

They honestly, sincerely believe that God ordained marriage as being a union of one man and one woman (even though yes I know one could use the Bible to question the "one" part). It's not hate.
They hate homosexuals. The perspective you are talking about is just a bunch of BS they use so that they sound legitimate.

Nope. You are wrong. These guys are true believers. JSO is spot on.

Post by **BlueHen86** » Fri Jul 27, 2012 7:46 pm

death dealer wrote:
BlueHen86 wrote:
They hate homosexuals. The perspective you are talking about is just a bunch of BS they use so that they sound legitimate.
Nope. You are wrong. These guys are true believers. JSO is spot on.

I'm sure that JSO will be along any minute now to tell me the same thing.

Only his post will be much longer than yours.

Bronco · Post by **Bronco** » Fri Jul 27, 2012 7:57 pm

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If you are into boycotting I would suggest gasoline supplied by OPEC
OPEC countries kill all the Gheys that the find. A little more serious than a man of principal stating that he supports traditional marriage.

But you won’t

Post by **BlueHen86** » Fri Jul 27, 2012 8:03 pm

Bronco wrote:-
If you are into boycotting I would suggest gasoline supplied by OPEC
OPEC countries kill all the Gheys that the find. A little more serious than a man of principal stating that he supports traditional marriage.

But you won’t

I wonder how he feels about divorce? Seems to me that if people really cared about traditional marriage they would have a problem with divorce. They are silent on that issue, but they worry about gay marriage.

It's not really about divorce, it's about hate. The marriage issue is a just a convenient cover for their real motivation.

death dealer · Post by **death dealer** » Fri Jul 27, 2012 8:07 pm

BlueHen86 wrote:
death dealer wrote: Nope. You are wrong. These guys are true believers. JSO is spot on.
I'm sure that JSO will be along any minute now to tell me the same thing.

Only his post will be much longer than yours.

Really doesn't matter what JSO posts and how long. You are incorrect in your conclusions. You don't know what you are talking about here. I know plenty of knuckle draggers who hate gays. These guys truly believe that homosexuals are sinning and that the bible is the literal word of their god and that it prohibits homosexuality and thus their marriage. It's not about hating them. They would love them up in the name of the lord, but they dont have a single problem telling them they are going to burn in hell as long as they continue smoking pole. But they'll tell you the same thing is true for drinkers, dancers, fornicators, etc.

Post by **BlueHen86** » Fri Jul 27, 2012 8:11 pm

BlueHen86 wrote: They hate homosexuals. The perspective you are talking about is just a bunch of BS they use so that they sound legitimate.

death dealer wrote:
BlueHen86 wrote:
I'm sure that JSO will be along any minute now to tell me the same thing.

Only his post will be much longer than yours.
Really doesn't matter what JSO posts and how long. You are incorrect in your conclusions. You don't know what you are talking about here. I know plenty of knuckle draggers who hate gays. These guys truly believe that homosexuals are sinning and that the bible is the literal word of their god and that it prohibits homosexuality and thus their marriage. It's not about hating them. They would love them up in the name of the lord, but they dont have a single problem telling them they are going to burn in hell as long as they continue smoking pole. But they'll tell you the same thing is true for drinkers, dancers, fornicators, etc.

Thanks for clearing that up.

SuperHornet · Post by **SuperHornet** » Fri Jul 27, 2012 9:15 pm

JohnStOnge wrote:
Yeah, they don't hate gays...they're being "spiritual"!
They actually do NOT hate homosexuals. But they consider homosexual behavior to be sinful.

That's one thing you guys need to understand. It's not hate. The Evangelical Christian perspective is that everyone is a sinner and that only the grace of God saves people. The theology is not one of hating people because of sin.

They honestly, sincerely believe that God ordained marriage as being a union of one man and one woman (even though yes I know one could use the Bible to question the "one" part). It's not hate.

That's the theory, anyway. Unfortunately, there are enough Christians out there that go straight from the theory (yes it's a cliche, "love the sinner, hate the sin") to personal hate because the sin is one of at least two (the other being abortion) that is so "gross" to them as to warrant that. Unfortunately for this position, the Bible does NOT make such a distinction beween types of sin. This is compounded by the fact that quite often, they don't know a single homosexual (or anyone who has aborted a baby, for that matter), so they don't have to worry about angering a friend. That lack of worry puts them over the top. It takes the form of a 2x4. And it's hypocritical.

My whole reason for posting this meme was to smack the lib hypocrisy in the Chik-fil-A debate, not to smack homosexuals in particular. Personally, I have several gay friends. I just avoid the topic unless directly asked because I do not want my opinions to become that 2x4 that separates friends. Gay people make many great contributions to our society; those that do should be recognized. Yes, there are hypocrites on our side as well. I merely want to point out that blasting hypocrisy on ONE side requires blasting hypocrisy on the OTHER side as well, something that SOME libs (not all) are loathe to do.

As another poster mentioned, divorce is an issue as well. That is an evil that has corrupted EVERYONE to the point that the Church looks no better than the world. In our society, it's a hard problem. On the one hand, we have people giving up way too soon. The ideal would be for a marriage to last forever. But then you come to grips with issues like infidelity (which even the Bible lists as legitimate grounds for divorce). Christians are NOT silent on divorce as 86 would have us believe. There are plenty of resources out there for those who would avail themselves. But all too often, people quit working on it too soon. There's the rub. And it's admittedly a strike against Christians.

There is a difference between stating a position and beating people over the head with that opinion. I try to avoid that because it does nothing but separate friends. Uphold your position courteously when asked and when in the polling booth, but don't bash others over the head with it. There are SOME libs here who meet that ideal, as well as some conservatives. Unfortunately, there are some on BOTH sides who don't. IMO, that is sad....

Post by **Ibanez** » Sat Jul 28, 2012 4:54 am

These Christians that are anti gay are usually gluttons with multiple divorce.

Post by **kalm** » Sat Jul 28, 2012 5:24 am

'Love the gay sex, hate the gay.'

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